row_33 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 56 minutes ago, BigBillsFan said: Exclude the Brown throw, why not try some of those runs again? innovation is something we haven't seen much of for 24 or so years, so dribs and drabs have been nice teams are looking for it the rest of the game, you only get one shot against a decent opponent, let along a home team in the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, row_33 said: innovation is something we haven't seen much of for 24 or so years, so dribs and drabs have been nice teams are looking for it the rest of the game, you only get one shot against a decent opponent, let along a home team in the playoffs And don't forget they actually did run the QB sweep again in OT that would have likely set up the game winning FG attempt at the very least and may have broke for a TD if blocks aren't missed They clearly identified stuff that was going to work against Texans defense and built it in, the scouting/design was good but the gameplan imo went to ***** after halftime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 That QB sweep makes me sick and no I can't watch. I said when the ball was snapped and it set up that it's game. Then no one blocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 36 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'm not arguing about the "right thing to do", I'm pointing out that I'm not "technically right", that's the way modern playcalling works. See also GoBills808 explanation, right on the money as far as I can tell. Daboll was NOT good at time management/playcalling in tight game situations last season. In post-game or Monday pressers when McDermott references an "Operational issue" that's what he means. One reason Daboll moved to the booth was an attempt to address this, and it's still not solved. Fair point. Still, that's gotta be a pass play even if you're resigned to firing it out of bounds. Josh has to know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 40 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Everything works against the Texans defense as the Chiefs showed the next week. Right, because the Chiefs offense is a totally reasonable benchmark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vod Kanockers Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 9 hours ago, ScottLaw said: This was discussed after the game in a thread of its own. Allen checked to a run to Gore there..... why he was allowed to do that is another discussion. I retract my statement. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 WWIWMT? Or maybe IGBTTD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted February 11, 2020 Author Share Posted February 11, 2020 What I didn’t understand either is that JJ Watt makes a play for Houston’s defense, then immediately the Bills defense falls apart. The Bills D was smothering Houston’s O for 2.5 quarters then in a blink of an eye they couldn’t stop a nose bleed. Just another frustrating aspect of an infuriating game. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 11:44 AM, thebandit27 said: I watched it several times. There are about 10 different critical plays that the Bills easily could’ve made, and didn’t, that resulted in that loss. Just off the top of my head: - Smoke drags his foot on a 3rd down sideline pass and we’ve got 1st and goal at the 3 instead of a FG attempt to go up 10 - Duke drops a TD pass that hit both hands, so instead of 17-0 it’s 13-0 - Ford whiffs badly on Watt and gets Allen sacked before he can hit the inside target (think it was Beasley—EDIT: it was Knox coming open at the 5 for a 1st down, not a TD), so it’s 16-0 instead of (possibly) 20-0 - Josh fumbles away the ball giving Houston their best field position of the day - Siran Neal drops an easy pick-6 that probably ices the game - Ford/Morse/Knox miss the easy block on Cunningham that probably leads Josh inside the 30 (at least) for a GW FG - Ford takes a PF penalty negating a chance for a GW 54-yard FG - Brutal execution on the 3rd and 18 in OT - Two defenders can’t tackle Watson on 2nd and 6, which leads to Taiwan Jones’ GW RAC Nice list, but the killer was going for it on 4th and 27. The most ridiculous decision ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted February 11, 2020 Author Share Posted February 11, 2020 25 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Nice list, but the killer was going for it on 4th and 27. The most ridiculous decision ever. That was a weird decision. They still had all three timeouts and they could have pinned them deep, gotten a three and out and could have gotten a game winning TD instead of a game tying FG. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 22 minutes ago, njbuff said: That was a weird decision. They still had all three timeouts and they could have pinned them deep, gotten a three and out and could have gotten a game winning TD instead of a game tying FG. In his "Pardon my Take" appearance (different thread here), they discussed Allen's lateral. The hosts asked "was coach pretty mad at you after?" Allen said "Not really". Said after the game, they were all pretty disappointed but it wasn't like (lowers his voice) "that was your fault". I think if they're fair-minded, the coaches must recognize there was plenty of blame to go around and poor decisions, including bad coaching decisions of which that's the leading candidate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 20 hours ago, GoBills808 said: And don't forget they actually did run the QB sweep again in OT that would have likely set up the game winning FG attempt at the very least and may have broke for a TD if blocks aren't missed They clearly identified stuff that was going to work against Texans defense and built it in, the scouting/design was good but the gameplan imo went to ***** after halftime Bills have to learn to reach a little bit higher and put away a winnable game the other alternative is simply stack the team with so much talent that it is almost impossible to lose 13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: In his "Pardon my Take" appearance (different thread here), they discussed Allen's lateral. The hosts asked "was coach pretty mad at you after?" Allen said "Not really". Said after the game, they were all pretty disappointed but it wasn't like (lowers his voice) "that was your fault". I think if they're fair-minded, the coaches must recognize there was plenty of blame to go around and poor decisions, including bad coaching decisions of which that's the leading candidate. game film will be studied for 100s of hours before week one and serious and private conclusions will be drawn by those on the Bills payroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: They scored 51 points and touchdowns on 6 straight possessions. It's hard to fathom and pathetic the Bills only put up 19 points on offense in 5 quarters..... it's a combination of Dabolls complicated scheme and extreme lack of talent on that side of the ball. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Showed we are no where near ready to beat a quality opponent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, uticaclub said: Showed we are no where near ready to beat a quality opponent Yeah that 3-point loss in an OT game where Buffalo could’ve won by making any one of a dozen plays is really a testament to how far from being competitive they really are ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 28 minutes ago, uticaclub said: Showed we are no where near ready to beat a quality opponent even being a strong 2nd-best in a conference can seem dismal sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 48 minutes ago, row_33 said: even being a strong 2nd-best in a conference can seem dismal sometimes 2nd best in the conference? We were barely 2nd best in our division. 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: Yeah that 3-point loss in an OT game where Buffalo could’ve won by making any one of a dozen plays is really a testament to how far from being competitive they really are ? bad teams find ways to lose & we put up 19 against the worse defense in the playoffs that gave up a million the next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Just now, uticaclub said: 2nd best in the conference? We were barely 2nd best in our division. bad teams find ways to lose & we put up 19 against the worse defense in the playoffs that gave up a million the next week. You know that same team beat KC on the road, right? Your post was illogical and inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: You know that same team beat KC on the road, right? Your post was illogical and inaccurate. By scoring 31 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, uticaclub said: By scoring 31 points And that has exactly what to do with how close the Bills are to beating good teams? You’re already a fair distance away from your original statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: And that has exactly what to do with how close the Bills are to beating good teams? You’re already a fair distance away from your original statement You need to score points to beat good teams, the Bills can't score points and won't be able to hang against good teams. The Bills were 1-6 against teams that finished with winning records and that one win came in the last game Mariota finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Just now, uticaclub said: You need to score points to beat good teams, the Bills can't score points and won't be able to hang against good teams. The Bills were 1-6 against teams that finished with winning records and that one win came in the last game Mariota finished. And what was the margin of defeat in each of those losses? Yeah, you’re continuing to shift the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 36 minutes ago, uticaclub said: 2nd best in the conference? We were barely 2nd best in our division. Just saying for future results I suffered fools telling me the loser of those Peyton/Brady playoff games was automatically a choke artist, not necessarily as one had to lose that day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 35 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: And what was the margin of defeat in each of those losses? Yeah, you’re continuing to shift the argument. What was our margin of victory against the bad team's? I've stayed consistent you the one being a shifty mcshifterson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, uticaclub said: What was our margin of victory against the bad team's? I've stayed consistent you the one being a shifty mcshifterson Hardly. To recap here: you claimed that the WC game somehow proved that Buffalo wasn’t close to beating a good team. I pointed out that they could’ve won by making any of a dozen plays—by any sane person’s definition, that’s bloody close. You then decided that they somehow weren’t close because they only scored 16 points, which makes no sense since they did indeed come close to winning. When challenged on that point, you decided to point out their record against winning teams...as though it proves that they aren’t close to beating any of them despite the fact that each of those losses (of which there were only 5 on the year including the playoff game by the way) save Philly was a one-score game. So once again I’ll say, as I have consistently since my first response to you: yes, the team is quite close to being able to beat good teams. Now, I’ll kindly ask you to stay consistent and show me why you believe that either the Houston game (or any other loss this year) indicates that they aren’t close to being able to beat good teams. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 11:12 AM, Buffalo Boy said: They lost and they need to hurt so that next year they are mentally prepared. That is the only positive I take out of this game..... a learning experience for a young team. There is no reason to suffer anymore than I need to. New season = SUPER BOWL BABY!!! That's my thought, too. Very similar to the Cleveland loss in '89 that rallied the team. I hope that they all remember the feeling after the game. I know I did, walking down the ramps at NRG Stadium and listening to all the Texan's fans go crazy knowing that I should have been hearing/singing the "Shout" Song all the way down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Hardly. To recap here: you claimed that the WC game somehow proved that Buffalo wasn’t close to beating a good team. I pointed out that they could’ve won by making any of a dozen plays—by any sane person’s definition, that’s bloody close. You then decided that they somehow weren’t close because they only scored 16 points, which makes no sense since they did indeed come close to winning. When challenged on that point, you decided to point out their record against winning teams...as though it proves that they aren’t close to beating any of them despite the fact that each of those losses (of which there were only 5 on the year including the playoff game by the way) save Philly was a one-score game. So once again I’ll say, as I have consistently since my first response to you: yes, the team is quite close to being able to beat good teams. Now, I’ll kindly ask you to stay consistent and show me why you believe that either the Houston game (or any other loss this year) indicates that they aren’t close to being able to beat good teams. Thanks in advance. NE x2, Baltimore, Philly, Houston were the best teams we played last year and all had the same results. Game looked like it was close for a while, but the same thing happened, the bad team lost and the better team won. Every team we beat has changed their coach and/or QB, you need to beat quality teams to be a good team & we haven’t proven we can beat a quality opponent. Games are close in the NFL, the Bills have lost by small margins of victories for years. Super Bowl 25 we lost by one point, how close were the next 3 Super Bowls. We were “close” to winning the Super Bowl then? My point is you are never “close” to beating a good team, you either do or you don’t. Games in the NFL are usually close, that’s why 7+ point spreads are rare. If a coach has a game plan that will guarantee a 1 point margin of victory they will go with that everytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, uticaclub said: NE x2, Baltimore, Philly, Houston were the best teams we played last year and all had the same results. Game looked like it was close for a while, but the same thing happened, the bad team lost and the better team won. Every team we beat has changed their coach and/or QB, you need to beat quality teams to be a good team & we haven’t proven we can beat a quality opponent. Games are close in the NFL, the Bills have lost by small margins of victories for years. Super Bowl 25 we lost by one point, how close were the next 3 Super Bowls. We were “close” to winning the Super Bowl then? My point is you are never “close” to beating a good team, you either do or you don’t. Games in the NFL are usually close, that’s why 7+ point spreads are rare. If a coach has a game plan that will guarantee a 1 point margin of victory they will go with that everytime. Brutal straw man argument. If the answer is that the “good” team always wins and the “bad” team always loses, then who’s the better team: KC or Houston? You're the person that claimed that the team isn’t close. Apparently what you really mean is that they didn’t win (since by your description of events a team is either good and wins or is bad and isn’t close regardless of the score or flow of the game). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 after every game we know how many points it took to beat the other team so just figure out how to derive this before each game and aim for that amount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 11:33 AM, Mark Vader said: It's in the past, move on. We have a lot to look forward to this off season. GO BILLS!!! I had the game recorded on the DVR. I had not watched the game a second time and was carefully saving the game for future viewing. A few days ago I saw I was at 95% capacity and needed to delete some stuff. After a brief debate, I deleted the playoff game. No real need to see it again and I know who won and who lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 This game in on NFL Network right now as a part of the Games of the year series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Someday Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 The game is being replayed on nfl network right now. I've had it on as I've been doing other things so only half paying attention. As much as it stings watching this I'm excited about next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 8:44 AM, thebandit27 said: I watched it several times. There are about 10 different critical plays that the Bills easily could’ve made, and didn’t, that resulted in that loss. Just off the top of my head: - Smoke drags his foot on a 3rd down sideline pass and we’ve got 1st and goal at the 3 instead of a FG attempt to go up 10 - Duke drops a TD pass that hit both hands, so instead of 17-0 it’s 13-0 - Ford whiffs badly on Watt and gets Allen sacked before he can hit the inside target (think it was Beasley—EDIT: it was Knox coming open at the 5 for a 1st down, not a TD), so it’s 16-0 instead of (possibly) 20-0 - Josh fumbles away the ball giving Houston their best field position of the day - Siran Neal drops an easy pick-6 that probably ices the game - Ford/Morse/Knox miss the easy block on Cunningham that probably leads Josh inside the 30 (at least) for a GW FG - Ford takes a PF penalty negating a chance for a GW 54-yard FG - Brutal execution on the 3rd and 18 in OT - Two defenders can’t tackle Watson on 2nd and 6, which leads to Taiwan Jones’ GW RAC It’s crazy to think if we made any of those plays we likely win the game. We didn’t make enough plays at the end of the day. I’m very optimistic about next year though. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 On 2/12/2020 at 12:10 AM, Nextmanup said: I had the game recorded on the DVR. I had not watched the game a second time and was carefully saving the game for future viewing. A few days ago I saw I was at 95% capacity and needed to delete some stuff. After a brief debate, I deleted the playoff game. No real need to see it again and I know who won and who lost. it all depends on your motives for watching when I was coaching it was helpful to see where things went wrong in order to work on them in practices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 11:26 AM, njbuff said: Unfortunately I did. It almost made me just as sick to watch it a second time as opposed to watching it live. Three players missing a block on the Josh Allen sweep in OT was the game-killer for me. One of the so many 2nd half vomit inducing moments. No reason we should have lost that game. Total choke job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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