The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[mannc]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

There is a certain segment of the population that likes to tell other people what to do and shame them into doing it. And, there is a certain segment of the population that enjoys being told what to do and obeying without thought.

Both sets of those people are tickled pink right now.
 

Plus, it’s opened up a whole new field of virtue-signaling opportunities.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

45 minutes ago, mannc said:

They can’t.  They are limited to collecting workers comp.  And only if they can prove they got the virus from work, which would be tough to do.

 

...not entirely correct......say the worker contracted virus on the job and was able to prove it was from work.....the employee then can file a lawsuit against the employer's General Liability carrier....a possible premise would be negligence regarding a safe workplace....Wegmans JUST installed plexiglass shields for cashiers and just now started to allow masks/gloves......we had an electrician step off the BOTTOM rung of a ladder, losing his balance and falling against a table (instant NYS Comp Case under Section 240/241)......severe back injury resulted in multiple surgeries, etc totaling >$350,000 in medical bills.....he then sued us through our General Liability carrier and won an $800,000 judgment.....if memory serves me, our WC carrier liened the judgment for what they paid out.....

[Nanker]

2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...not entirely correct......say the worker contracted virus on the job and was able to prove it was from work.....the employee then can file a lawsuit against the employer's General Liability carrier....a possible premise would be negligence regarding a safe workplace....Wegmans JUST installed plexiglass shields for cashiers and just now started to allow masks/gloves......we had an electrician step off the BOTTOM rung of a ladder, losing his balance and falling against a table (instant NYS Comp Case under Section 240/241)......severe back injury resulted in multiple surgeries, etc totaling >$350,000 in medical bills.....he then sued us through our General Liability carrier and won an $800,000 judgment.....if memory serves me, our WC carrier liened the judgment for what they paid out.....

Yep. This is why they always ask if your condition was the result of an accident or worker's comp. The medical providers love those cases because they charge the bust-out-retail amount because they likely will get it. That is pure gravy for them and allows them to take the medical insurance companies', and medicare's "negotiated" rates. It's a lot like how hospitals charge outrageous amounts for their services and prescriptions, and supplies like bandages and aspirin. They get that money to cover the Emergency Room visits from the indigent and ultra poor that can't pay for their services. Hey, Es La LEY!

[mannc]

5 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

..Wegmans JUST installed plexiglass shields for cashiers and just now started to allow masks/gloves

They are doing that because they don’t want their employees to get sick, not to avoid being sued.

[B-Man]

Stop the panic. Don't let the coronavirus win.

USA Today, by Alex Berezow

 

Original Article

 

In response to the coronavirus pandemic, democratic governments across the world have implemented unprecedented peacetime lockdowns. One California city is even using night vision equipped drones — made in China, ironically — to enforce it. A city in Washington encourages citizens to snitch on those who violate the “stay home” order. Let’s pause a moment to consider the serious ramifications of what we are doing. To combat a virus, some state and local governments have ordered everyone, including perfectly healthy people, to stay home for an undefined period of time. 

 

 

 

 

Another "unwanted" side-effect  

 

Coronavirus causing Americans to pray more, new study says

 

 

 

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[IDBillzFan]

3 hours ago, Magox said:

This whole Trump not wearing a mask deal is a perfect example of his detractors attempting to play partisan gotcha games.  

 

One more time: If you are watching what is going on in the world right now and your sole contribution is to point and blame, then please do everyone else a favor and sit down, STFU and let the adults deal with the issues at hand.

 

 

We're watching this country come together to help each other out in ways we haven't seen since WWII. Imagine watching this in real time and having your contribution be "Trump won't wear a mask!"

 

Embarrassing and sad.

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

They are doing that because they don’t want their employees to get sick, not to avoid being sued.

It can be both. 

 

[mannc]

Just now, IDBillzFan said:

 

One more time: If you are watching what is going on in the world right now and your sole contribution is to point and blame, then please do everyone else a favor and sit down, STFU and let the adults deal with the issues at hand.

 

 

We're watching this country come together to help each other out in ways we haven't seen since WWII. Imagine watching this in real time and having your contribution be "Trump won't wear a mask!"

 

Embarrassing and sad.

 

The second he put on a mask, these same people would mock him mercilessly.

[3rdnlng]

2 hours ago, mannc said:

So?  It was FICTION. It was a Hollywood screenplay.  And nothing in the article suggests that he knows the first thing about public health.

But, but he's a screen writer! We all know that screen writers are trusted here.

[MILFHUNTER#518]

Sugar Nipples not messing around...

[GG]

28 minutes ago, mannc said:

The hysteria needs to stop.  There are few cases in my area and the number of new cases is stable, as are the numbers of new deaths and hospitalizations.  We have been sheltering in place for almost three weeks now, so that’s not going to change.  It’s not not time to adopt new fear-mongering requirements.

 

What hysteria?  

 

If there are a few acknowledged cases, that means that there's a lot more in the area that aren't acknowledged.  Preventing the spread is the best case scenario at this point, and wearing masks is a proven method.  

[Buffalo_Gal]

7 hours ago, 32ABBA said:

Anybody hear about this drug....

 

 

https://www.freepressjournal.in/world/coronavirus-outbreak-can-anti-parasite-drug-ivermectin-kill-covid-19-know-more

 

 

https://en.as.com/en/2020/04/04/other_sports/1585963017_478782.html

 

 

 

Coronavirus: Anti-parasitic drug Ivermectin kills COVID-19 in lab within 48 hours
 

An anti-parasitic drug available throughout the world has been found to kill COVID-19 in the lab within 48 hours.
 

A Monash University-led study has shown a single dose of the drug Ivermectin could stop the SARS-CoV-2 virus growing in cell culture.
 

“We found that even a single dose could essentially remove all viral RNA (effectively removed all genetic material of the virus) by 48 hours and that even at 24 hours there was a really significant reduction in it,” Monash Biomedicine Discovery Institute’s Dr Kylie Wagstaff said on Friday.

While it’s not known how Ivermectin works on the virus, the drug likely stops the virus dampening the host cells’ ability to clear it.
 

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[IDBillzFan]

3 minutes ago, mannc said:

They are doing that because they don’t want their employees to get sick, not to avoid being sued.

 

Not to mention, they want people to show up to work. Do you think an 18-year Wegmans employee wants to be coughed on at this point? The ACE Hardware by me installed these as well. And even if it IS about liability, at least people are doing something about the issue.

 

Unlike some people who just feel the need to whine and complain all the time.

 

1 minute ago, mannc said:

The second he put on a mask, these same people would mock him mercilessly.

 

They're mocking him regardless. Because that's what a weak mind does in a crisis. It doesn't help. It doesn't contribute. It mocks and ridicules to get other weak minds to pat their backs. Look at Jim Acosta. He's getting to the point where his own mother is embarrassed every time he opens his piehole. 

 

 

[Uncle Joe]

7 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Not to mention, they want people to show up to work. Do you think an 18-year Wegmans employee wants to be coughed on at this point? The ACE Hardware by me installed these as well. And even if it IS about liability, at least people are doing something about the issue.

 

Unlike some people who just feel the need to whine and complain all the time.

I went to the post office yesterday and thought I was at a bank. Plexiglas covering all three stations with a pass through space for items at the bottom. 2 people in the customer lobby at a time and a 3 foot red marker distance from the teller.
Meanwhile at Safeway the plexiglas doesn't provide adequate cover for the cashier. The cashiers are taking it in stride.

Edited April 4, 2020 by Uncle Joe

[Kevbeau]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

Coronavirus: Anti-parasitic drug Ivermectin kills COVID-19 in lab within 48 hours
 

An anti-parasitic drug available throughout the world has been found to kill COVID-19 in the lab within 48 hours.
 

A Monash University-led study has shown a single dose of the drug Ivermectin could stop the SARS-CoV-2 virus growing in cell culture.
 

“We found that even a single dose could essentially remove all viral RNA (effectively removed all genetic material of the virus) by 48 hours and that even at 24 hours there was a really significant reduction in it,” Monash Biomedicine Discovery Institute’s Dr Kylie Wagstaff said on Friday.

While it’s not known how Ivermectin works on the virus, the drug likely stops the virus dampening the host cells’ ability to clear it.
 

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Great...now people will be stealing Heart Guard from their dogs.

 

I have to give our alpacas ivermectin shots every month to stave off all the garbage white tail carry. Horses also get it in paste form every couple months.

 

Because of the livestock industry’s overuse of anti-parasite/antibiotics this is the only **** left that actually works. Once the bots and worms develop immunity to ivermectin, we’re fubared.

 

Edited April 4, 2020 by Kevbeau

[shoshin]

46 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I get vaccinations to protect me from other people.

Your vaccinations help a lot of people who can’t get vaccinated. Thanks for helping them (I know several). 

[billsfan1959]

4 minutes ago, Kevbeau said:

Great...now people will be stealing Heart Guard from their dogs.

 

I think if they wash it down with fish tank cleaner, they will probably be fine

[shoshin]

18 minutes ago, GG said:

 

What hysteria?  

 

If there are a few acknowledged cases, that means that there's a lot more in the area that aren't acknowledged.  Preventing the spread is the best case scenario at this point, and wearing masks is a proven method.  

He and gal think there’s some plot afoot to virtue signal and control the populace. I’d like him to put on his mask so we can switch the economy signal to green everywhere and soon. And save lives, like the Wegman’s cashier or his kid or grandmother. 
 

But mostly keep the spread down so we can get the ***** back to work. 

Edited April 4, 2020 by shoshin

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

28 minutes ago, mannc said:

They are doing that because they don’t want their employees to get sick, not to avoid being sued.

 

...of course......plexiglass installation was a pro-active company move as were cashier sanitizing stations........gloves and masks I believe were previously prohibited until the local news media here in Rochester publicized the conundrum...hence it was changed...........

Edited April 4, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[TPS]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

A few days ago, according to the Oregon Health Authority, there were 770 ventilators available in the state and less than 40 CV19 patients who were using one.  They’ve now stopped publishing that data.  Maybe they fear appropriation by other parts of the country...

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

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The debate over immigration is over: restriction wins.

 

The debate over borders is over: they are needed.

 

The debate over globalization is over: the era of autarky begins.

 

The debate over Europe is over: it is a geographic expression, not a polity.

 

The debate over global warming is over: it is irrelevant.

 

The debate over international institutions is over: only nations matter.

 

The debate over the People’s Republic of China is over: it is a menace to the community of nations, not a member in good standing.

 

Crisis is clarity.

 

 

 

 

This has been an era of clarification.

 

 

 

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[TakeYouToTasker]

3 hours ago, shoshin said:

How about we think like people trying to reopen an economy by controlling the spread of a disease?

She’s not wrong, Pollyanna.

[shoshin]

29 minutes ago, TPS said:

 

 

 

This is great from Oregon and I am sure other places with low rates around the country and New York State will also step up. That's what we do as Americans. Yay us!

 

1 hour ago, mannc said:

The hysteria needs to stop.  There are few cases in my area and the number of new cases is stable, as are the numbers of new deaths and hospitalizations.  We have been sheltering in place for almost three weeks now, so that’s not going to change.  It’s not not time to adopt new fear-mongering requirements.

 

It's like you don't remember when we had 15 cases as a country. If we'd all just distanced and worn masks starting then (not shut down), we'd have almost no problem. That's not a knock on anyone who didn't do it then because very few people knew we'd go from 15 to hundreds of thousands in a blink but don't we know better now? 

 

Why take the chance? 

Edited April 4, 2020 by shoshin

[shoshin]

21 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

She’s not wrong, Pollyanna.

 

You know what else could happen? We could have a run on fabric and there won't be enough for clothes. I think we have bigger problems that the masks are solving than worrying overly much about the masked bandits that this will encourage. If it makes you feel better, carry a piece when you pick up your produce.

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

Alot of people share his sentiment. 

 

https://wham1180.iheart.com/content/2020-04-04-lonsberry-cuomos-order-is-an-act-of-executive-homicide/#.XoiYbDVfoGc.twitter

 

You’ve been triaged, upstate New York.

 

The governor put the black tag around your neck.

 

Some will live and some will die and, well, you don’t get to live.

 

That’s what Andy Cuomo’s decree of Friday means. Your ventilators go to his voters and when you get the COVID, well, good luck to you. If all goes well, your family can have a memorial service in a year or two, after the Chinese sell us the vaccine.

 

And if it’s not you, it’s your grandmother, or somebody’s grandfather, suffocating alone on a gurney in a tent.

 

He has decided to redistribute death, from the areas that weren’t prepared and aren’t social distancing, to the areas that were and are. He is robbing the poor to give to the rich.

 

He’s taking crucial and irreplaceable medical equipment from those parts of the state that voted for his opponent in the last election, and moving them to those areas of the state that voted for him.

 

And he’s sending the National Guard to do it.

 

“Deploy” was the verb he used. He’s deploying the Army to seize gloves, masks, gowns and ventilators from hospitals and clinics in upstate New York.

 

That will sicken nurses, doctors and respiratory therapists, and kill critically ill patients.

 

And that’s not just rhetoric, it’s undeniable medical truth.

 

Andy signed your DNR.

 

When every network newscast features an angry or frightened nurse shouting into her phone about the need for PPE, Andy Amin is taking PPE away from thousands of nurses across the broad swathe of upstate. He is endangering them and their families. He is increasing the likelihood that they will get infected, and that they will take the virus home to their children, spouses and parents.

 

When he said, “We’re all in this together,” you didn’t think he was talking about the grave.

 

The scenario is as old as the state – upstate is the door mat of downstate, a subjugated region overseen by an imperial master whose every action shows a disdain for his inferior colonial subjects. And so it is that in the life-or-death scramble to be prepared for the peak of the coronavirus wave, he has decided that upstate will take the hit.

 

All across largely rural upstate New York, chronically one of the poorest regions in the United States, hospitals have over years scrimped and saved to be properly equipped to serve their communities. This has been incredibly hard. The need is high and the purse is empty, but they’ve mostly been able to do it. Even when Obamacare forced many of them out of business or into consolidation, they pushed on, taking care of the people whose parents and grandparents sacrificed to build and fund the hospitals.

 

And then came the coronavirus, and hometown hospitals sprang into action, marshalling their forces and resources. All while facing the financial devastation of the government-ordered suspension of all elective surgeries and procedures – which has led some hospitals to furlough nurses and doctors, and left some with daily operating deficits in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

 

But the hospitals and their wonderful staffs pushed on.

 

And they stand ready, with enough gloves and masks to get them through a couple of weeks, and not nearly enough ventilators to meet the anticipated need of their communities.

 

And then Andy “Baby Doc” Duvalier spoke, and confiscated with his pen and his army those ventilators and gloves and masks.

 

Within two hours his administration’s position went from “excess” supplies to a mandatory 10% to a mandatory 20%, and now the weekend comes and the National Guard trucks are expected to roll and we all know they’ll take whatever the hell he wants.

 

The SOB took our PPE.

 

I wonder how many National Guardsmen will be returning on orders to their home communities to gather up and confiscate the medical supplies which would have cared for their own families. I wonder how many National Guard husbands will seize the masks and gloves that would have protected their own nurse wives.

 

I wonder why a governor whose civil government includes a fleet of thousands of vehicles decided to send military trucks and uniformed soldiers to confiscate medical supplies from his subjects.

 

Cavalierly in front of reporters, he brushed off any fear of restraining law suits, and said that New York City would return the ventilators when it is done with them, or will reimburse rural hospitals for them. That’s cold comfort from a governor who says he’s broke, and who repeatedly has said ventilators aren’t available on the open market.

 

Several upstate communities have lit candles to honor and thank the health care workers on the frontlines of this fight. By plundering their personal protective equipment, the governor is assuring that we will next light candles for their funerals. We are marching into battle, and he just confiscated our bullets.

 

We have elderly people in fear for their lives, and their governor has just made it less likely there will be a ventilator available for them when their crisis comes.

 

He mishandles his state and its largest city, creating a worse situation than existed in Italy, and puts New York on track to be the hardest-hit region in the global pandemic, and decides to devastate a region which had the good sense to be prepared.

 

And this all happens on the same day we learn that the unemployment website will be down for at least another week, and the governor gets a $25,000 raise this year and another $25,000 raise next year.

 

His executive order is an act of homicide.

 

And Cuomo will be remembered by history as the truck governor.

 

Army trucks for his theft, and refrigerated trucks for his dead.

 

 

If only we had listened to Cuomo when he said that many of us should leave the state due to our political beliefs.

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/19/gov-cuomo-pro-life-conservatives-have-no-place-new/

[Taraka]

6 hours ago, Azalin said:

 

You're answering for Transplant? 

 

Okay then, let's assume that "mass recommendations" is meant, as you say, to mean "the recommendation for the masses to wear masks in public like the cdc says". 

It seems pretty clear to me that Trump is speaking strictly for himself, not recommending that others follow suit. Is that questionable reasoning? Sure, I think so. Is he in any way gainsaying the medical professionals or questioning their advice? No, he isn't. 

 

I think you guys are making an issue where one really doesn't exist. 

in other words the proverbial saying would apply "do as I say not as I do"    Isn't that just great.

[shoshin]

Just now, ~Kostabi~ said:

in other words the proverbial saying would apply "do as I say not as I do"    Isn't that just great.

 

Trump has a lot of unforced errors. That was one. He could have said, "We recommend that people, when they go to crowded places, wear masks. I may not because of all the testing that goes on around us but if I was going to a crowded place, I would wear a mask and I would feel good seeing others doing so because we would be keeping each other safe. Bigly." 

 

I think he will say some version of that today when Acosta asks him the sure-to-come dickish question about this. 

[Bob in Mich]

3 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

This is great from Oregon and I am sure other places with low rates around the country and New York State will also step up. That's what we do as Americans. 

The problem I see with this is the length of time a patient needs to stay on the machine. Last I heard this averaged 11 days, obviously with some being above that number. 

 

If an area’s peak is projected to be in about 2 weeks, how many would you be willing to loan out?   How do you return a ventilator if the patient is still on it?  

 

Promises for a new one are nice but can those be produced and delivered in time for their peak?  I don’t know but it seems like they will take some weeks to build

[shoshin]

Just now, Bob in Mich said:

The problem I see with this is the length of time a patient needs to stay on the machine. Last I heard this averaged 11 days, obviously with some being above that number. 

 

If an area’s peak is projected to be in about 2 weeks, how many would you be willing to loan out?   How do you return a ventilator if the patient is still on it?  

 

Promises for a new one are nice but can those be produced and delivered in time for their peak?  I don’t know but it seems like they will take some weeks to build

 

Resource management is what everyone is doing. Look at the country and you can see we have a giant NYC problem and growing problems in New Orleans and Detroit, with hints in Atlanta. The rest of the country can help at the moment. Of course everyone is nervous but this is about helping the person who needs it now. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

7 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

You know what else could happen? We could have a run on fabric and there won't be enough for clothes. I think we have bigger problems that the masks are solving than worrying overly much about the masked bandits that this will encourage. If it makes you feel better, carry a piece when you pick up your produce.

Try finding ¼" elastic. 

 

[3rdnlng]

39 minutes ago, TPS said:

 

 

Don't forget the part where he said that he'd return twice as many.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...sad to learn that allegedly the Federal stockpile yields many ineffective, dry rotted "supplies", obviously spanning multiple administrations.....alleged published "use by dates" go back to 2010....if, IF true, this is a Federal failure without politicization.....at the same time, what are individual states' backup/preparedness plans?.....probably safe to say that there is plenty of individual states' unpreparedness ineptitude to go around......PLENTY OF BLAME TO GO AROUND without need for politicization IMO......

[SydneyBillsFan]

An Australian perspective on the NY state debacle:

 

NY mayor DiBlazio (is that his name?) is copping an absolute pummeling from Sky News commentators (our Fox News) for saying back in February and right through into March that New Yorkers "had nothing to worry about, this is no fault of China or the Chinese, go out at night and enjoy yourselves" etc..

 

I do not know a thing about this DiBlazio goon, but if this is true IMO he needs to be subjected to the US politicians version of a court martial for gross negligence and reckless endangerment.

 

And further proof - if any was required - that political correctness and new age leftist wokeness is a cancer on western society and is just as badly in need of finding a cure as COVID19.

Edited April 4, 2020 by SydneyBillsFan

[B-Man]

 

 

In Vermont you can only sell what the state approves........

 

 

 

[billsfan1959]

16 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

The problem I see with this is the length of time a patient needs to stay on the machine. Last I heard this averaged 11 days, obviously with some being above that number. 

 

If an area’s peak is projected to be in about 2 weeks, how many would you be willing to loan out?   How do you return a ventilator if the patient is still on it?  

 

Promises for a new one are nice but can those be produced and delivered in time for their peak?  I don’t know but it seems like they will take some weeks to build

 

They have been building them. Honestly, I don't think this country is going to run out of ventilators or hospital beds. There were predictions that there were going to be shortages of both over a week ago, and people were going to be left in the halways to die. It hasn't happened yet. I don't believe it will. I think they have a much better idea of how this virus might spread here, what places will be vulnerable, and when. It is a matter of reallocating existing resources and get manufacturing to the level (if not there now) to produce the equipment necessary as demand grows. Just my opinion based on what I have been reading.

[SydneyBillsFan]

https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/politics/new-york-city/all-de-blasios-covid-19-missteps.html

 

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/03/30/de-blasio-nyc-officials-downplayed-covid-19-threat-after-trump-restricted-travel-to-china-here-are-5-examples/

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/new-york-citys-coronavirus-outbreak-has-exposed-bill-de-blasios-ineptitude

 

 

Di Blazio.

 

Put this irresponsible moron in jail (and his health commissioner Bardot too)!!

Edited April 4, 2020 by SydneyBillsFan

[B-Man]

 

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

In Vermont you can only sell what the state approves........

 

 

 

 

WTF?? I am I missing something? Perhaps there is a good reason. If so, and if anyone out there knows what it is, please share.

[GG]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

They have been building them. Honestly, I don't think this country is going to run out of ventilators or hospital beds. There were predictions that there were going to be shortages of both over a week ago, and people were going to be left in the halways to die. It hasn't happened yet. I don't believe it will. I think they have a much better idea of how this virus might spread here, what places will be vulnerable, and when. It is a matter of reallocating existing resources and get manufacturing to the level (if not there now) to produce the equipment necessary as demand grows. Just my opinion based on what I have been reading.

 

It's fruitless to look at US as a monolith.  The resources and response should be built out from the most affected localities onward. 

 

The message should be - Look at NYC which didn't take it seriously until it was too late.  Don't be like NYC and not take this seriously and avoid common sense prevention measures.

[billsfan1959]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Absolutely. Think like a criminal, not like a law abiding person.

 

3 hours ago, shoshin said:

How about we think like people trying to reopen an economy by controlling the spread of a disease?

 

5 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

Criminals are going to criminal - particularly when you are at your most vulnerable...