SoCal Deek Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, TBBills said: So Trump killed another 2,700... Everyone saw this coming when he stopped doing his duty as president. Now we are feeling the effects of what his negligence has done. So funny you talk about looking in the mirror in the other post and come with this *****. Hypocrisy at it's best. If you haven’t figured out the art of sarcasm yet, there’s really no way to get anything across. Do you take everything at face value in life? Breathe, Tampa....breathe! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: If you haven’t figured out the art of sarcasm yet, there’s really no way to get anything across. Do you take everything at face value in life? Breathe, Tampa....breathe! I like when they're proven idiots they try to scream sarcasm. Just take your childish ***** somewhere else. You want people to die so you can be "sarcastic" daily... Ok got it. Daily life for Socal "I hope lots of people died today so I can be sarcastic in a sub forum on the Bills site." Edited February 7, 2021 by TBBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I enjoy the dialog we have on many occasions, but you must realize the post you have above is ridiculous, right? You honestly can't believe this is Biden's virus, right? You can't honestly believe that 2.5 weeks is enough time to completely turn things around, right? You can't honestly believe that science isn't the ultimate way to defeat this thing, right? You can't honestly believe they aren't taking steps to get more vaccines out to folks, right? Looking to get more funding to do so, right? Assuming I'm correct on the above, what is the purpose of your post? I have to tell you it makes you look silly. Oldman....I’ve enjoyed the dialogue as well. The point is obvious. You can’t or shouldn’t pin deaths on the President no matter what party he’s associated with. This is a GLOBAL health problem. (I’m watching a soccer match being played in London in front of no fans while typing this.) But, there are so very many on here who used this medical challenge to score a political victory. Now, however, when “their” guy is in the power seat it doesn’t sound so nice....does it? And now they claim it’s silly? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Oldman....I’ve enjoyed the dialogue as well. The point is obvious. You can’t or shouldn’t pin deaths on the President no matter what party he’s associated with. This is a GLOBAL health problem. (I’m watching a soccer match being played in London in front of no fans while typing this.) But, there are so very many on here who used this medical challenge to score a political victory. Now, however, when “their” guy is in the power seat it doesn’t sound so nice....does it? And now they claim it’s silly? What the chief executive has is the responsibility for the response to the virus. And the previous holder of the office did a terrible job, starting with withholding from the public the severity of the pandemic, as was heard on his interview tapes with Bob Woodward. One of my favorite presidents was Truman. He probably made more crucial decisions for the country than most any other president not named Lincoln. And he famously had a sign on his desk saying The Buck Stops Here. And what did Trump say about the pandemic response? I take no responsibility. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: What the chief executive has is the responsibility for the response to the virus. And the previous holder of the office did a terrible job, starting with withholding from the public the severity of the pandemic, as was heard on his interview tapes with Bob Woodward. One of my favorite presidents was Truman. He probably made more crucial decisions for the country than most any other president not named Lincoln. And he famously had a sign on his desk saying The Buck Stops Here. And what did Trump say about the pandemic response? I take no responsibility. Yet the vaccine you got was developed under Trump, not Biden. You seem to fret about his public statements while behind the scenes he mobilized the private sector to provide supplies and a vaccine in record time. It all comes down to a style debate. Biden is focused on producing policies. Trump was more focused on producing the products. It’s an old debate that stems from those trained in the public sector vs those who come from the private sector. It doesn’t make EITHER of them evil or stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Yet the vaccine you got was developed under Trump, not Biden. You seem to fret about his public statements while behind the scenes he mobilized the private sector to provide supplies and a vaccine in record time. It all comes down to a style debate. Biden is focused on producing policies. Trump was more focused on producing the products. It’s an old debate that stems from those trained in the public sector vs those who come from the private sector. It doesn’t make EITHER of them evil or stupid. Yeah the vaccines were developed under Trump and their efficacy was known well before the election, yet they kept it hidden until a few days afterwards. It would have swayed the election. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Doc said: Yeah the vaccines were developed under Trump and their efficacy was known well before the election, yet they kept it hidden until a few days afterwards. It would have swayed the election. Wrong The vaccines were developed despite Trumps lack of belief in the virus to begin with. The companies didn't even use help b.c he never offered it until the companies we're almost done with the vaccine b.c he just wanted to pretend like he had anything to do with it. Edited February 7, 2021 by TBBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Just now, Doc said: Yeah the vaccines were developed under Trump and their efficacy was known well before the election, yet they kept it hidden until a few days afterwards. It would have swayed the election. That’s interesting. I recall Ms Harris telling the nation that she would never take a vaccine developed under Trump...no? If anything, the vaccine was slow rolled by the FDA to help Biden. You believe differently? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Just now, TBBills said: Wrong "Wrong" what? That the result of their efficacies were known before the election or that it wouldn't have swayed it? They're both true. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: That’s interesting. I recall Ms Harris telling the nation that she would never take a vaccine developed under Trump...no? If anything, the vaccine was slow rolled by the FDA to help Biden. You believe differently? I don't know what the FDA's role was exactly, but I know the results of the clinical trials were slow-rolled. They didn't just magically get them a week afterwards. Had the news been released prior to the election, Trump would have won. And I'm sure Kammy knew the vaccines were working but wanted to create doubt in case the news was released prior to the election. But there she was, getting hers... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 28 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Yet the vaccine you got was developed under Trump, not Biden. You seem to fret about his public statements while behind the scenes he mobilized the private sector to provide supplies and a vaccine in record time. It all comes down to a style debate. Biden is focused on producing policies. Trump was more focused on producing the products. It’s an old debate that stems from those trained in the public sector vs those who come from the private sector. It doesn’t make EITHER of them evil or stupid. I agree Warp Speed was a good thing. It did not affect either Moderna nor Pfizer as they did not take federal dollars. Biden’s administration will be judged on how effective they are in getting people vaccinated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I agree Warp Speed was a good thing. It did not affect either Moderna nor Pfizer as they did not take federal dollars. Biden’s administration will be judged on how effective they are in getting people vaccinated. Wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Doc said: Wrong. Actually what he said is 100% true and proven true. What you cannot prove is it's wrong. Edited February 7, 2021 by TBBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, TBBills said: Actually what he said is 100% true and proven true. What you cannot prove is it's wrong. "The United States government provided $1 billion in support for the design and testing of the Moderna vaccine." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Just now, Doc said: "The United States government provided $1 billion in support for the design and testing of the Moderna vaccine." Wrong Phizer never accepted the money's and was developing the vaccine before the democrats forced the republicans into doing project warp speed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, Doc said: Wrong. Right. Quit being a partisan hack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Right. Quit being a partisan hack. Can you read? And oh, the hypocrisy! I assume that's yet another talking point (lie) fed to you guys that you never bothered to fact-check. But when I give you a link to your gospel newspaper and you still refuse to listen... Edited February 7, 2021 by Doc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Doc said: Can you read? And oh, the hypocrisy! I assume that's yet another talking point (lie) fed to you guys that you never bothered to fact-check. But when I give you a link to your gospel newspaper and you still refuse to listen... Modena did receive some federal dollars, you are correct there. My bad there. Pfizer did not. My response was directed towards my comment about the Biden administration being judged by vaccine distribution, which it surely will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Modena did receive some federal dollars, you are correct there. My bad there. Pfizer did not. My response was directed towards my comment about the Biden administration being judged by vaccine distribution, which it surely will be. But I did just bold "Moderna" in your post. Edit: LOL @ TBBills fan and the 👎 Edited February 7, 2021 by Doc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 On the Danish mask study. https://fooledbyrandomnessdotcom.wordpress.com/2020/11/25/hypothesis-testing-in-the-presence-of-false-positives-the-flaws-in-the-danish-mask-study/amp/?__twitter_impression=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 What is wrong with people? The longest part of developing any medication or vaccine is NOT the development itself. The longest part is the time trials. They typically want to see if the drug is harmful to lab animals, then they start limited human trials, then they wait YEARS to see if there are unexpected long term side effects. Those precautionary steps were sped up in Operation Warp Speed ...which is pretty much ALL that Trump (or Biden) can actually do. The President can try and get the government agencies out of the way. Which was done in this case so that the vaccines would be allowed to be injected into humans on a mass scale. We still have no idea whether everyone is going to grow a third eyeball in a year or two! Why? Because the vaccine trials simply haven’t run that long. The world decided they simply couldn’t wait for the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) Covid-19 News: South Africa Halts Use of AstraZeneca Vaccine Scientists in South Africa said on Sunday that a similar problem held among people who had been infected by earlier versions of the coronavirus: the immunity they acquired naturally did not appear to protect them from mild or moderate cases when reinfected by the variant, known as B.1.351. The developments, coming nearly a week after a million doses of the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine arrived in South Africa, were an enormous setback for the country, where more than 46,000 people are known to have died from the virus. And they were another sign of the dangers posed by new mutations in the coronavirus. The B.1.351 variant has already spread to at least 32 countries, including the United States. It was not clear from the studies outlined by South African scientists on Sunday whether the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine protected against severe disease from the B.1.351 variant. The clinical trial participants who were evaluated were relatively young and unlikely to become severely ill, making it impossible for the scientists to determine if the variant interfered with the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine’s ability to protect against severe Covid-19, hospitalizations, or deaths. However, based on the immune responses detected in blood samples from people who were given the vaccine, the scientists said they believed that the vaccine could yet protect against more severe cases. If further studies show that it does, South African health officials said on Sunday that they would consider resuming use of the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine. Even so, the fact that it showed minimal efficacy in preventing mild and moderate cases of the new variant added to the mounting evidence that B.1.351 makes current vaccines less effective. These research findings have not been published in a scientific journal. Pfizer and Moderna have both said that preliminary laboratory studies indicate that their vaccines, while still protective, are less effective against B.1.351. Novavax and Johnson & Johnson have also sequenced test samples from their clinical trial participants in South Africa, where B.1.351 caused the vast majority of cases — and both reported lower efficacy there than in the United States. “These results are very much a reality check,” Shabir Madhi, a virologist at University of the Witwatersrand who ran the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine trial in South Africa, said of the findings released on Sunday. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/02/07/world/covid-19-coronavirus/south-africa-says-astrazenecas-vaccine-is-not-very-effective-at-stopping-a-variant-from-causing-illness New Variants!!! New Fear!!!!! You will do what you're told no questions asked! And no justification needed! Because you're scared and don't care about fweeeeeedoms. Edited February 7, 2021 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 6 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: What is wrong with people? The longest part of developing any medication or vaccine is NOT the development itself. The longest part is the time trials. They typically want to see if the drug is harmful to lab animals, then they start limited human trials, then they wait YEARS to see if there are unexpected long term side effects. Those precautionary steps were sped up in Operation Warp Speed ...which is pretty much ALL that Trump (or Biden) can actually do. The President can try and get the government agencies out of the way. Which was done in this case so that the vaccines would be allowed to be injected into humans on a mass scale. We still have no idea whether everyone is going to grow a third eyeball in a year or two! Why? Because the vaccine trials simply haven’t run that long. The world decided they simply couldn’t wait for the results. I think that the US has to rethink their overall ineffective approach to pandemic response. We need some mechanism where the US on CDC advisement can declare a Federal pandemic emergency that streamlines prevention and vaccination protocols and removes our current fragmented state-by-state management of the response efforts. It has been a cluster **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Here we go!!!!! More fear!!! Triple mask up!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 15 hours ago, Doc said: Yeah the vaccines were developed under Trump and their efficacy was known well before the election, yet they kept it hidden until a few days afterwards. It would have swayed the election. Source? Also, Trump was such a divisive figure he could've cured cancer a month before the election and not a single vote would've changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 What's the justification, Dr? Long term indefinite mask wearing? More social distancing indefinitely? Nah. We'll need a bit more at this point then just "orders" or "requests." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 17 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: What's the justification, Dr? Long term indefinite mask wearing? More social distancing indefinitely? Nah. We'll need a bit more at this point then just "orders" or "requests." I am not as paranoid about this as you, but I did think this was ridiculous. I don't wear one when I walk my dog cuz I'm outside and never get close to anyone. If someone is approaching me there is plenty of time for one of us to cross the street. Now if I go into a store something I do. Be careful, but don't be silly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-kids-arent-alright SALENA ZITO: The Kids Aren’t Alright. One year ago, Lena Carson was pulling straight A’s at the city’s Creative and Performing Arts School across the river from her parent’s home. She also swam every day at the local YMCA in preparation to compete at the annual state competition and enjoyed the everyday social life of a teenager. Today, she is sitting at home. Again. It has been nearly a year since she walked into CAPA, a magnet school she had to earn admission to through a portfolio of her work, and interacted with her teachers or friends. Her daily swims are gone, along with her social life. Her outside activities have diminished to walking the dog around the block. . . . A bright student who skipped a grade, her straight A’s have dipped to D’s, and Lena says she struggles to complete assignments, not because she can’t but because of the lost will. “I have nothing to look forward to,” she said. Keeping the Karens happy comes with a lot of collateral damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 13 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Source? Also, Trump was such a divisive figure he could've cured cancer a month before the election and not a single vote would've changed. People primarily voted for Joe because they trusted him more with the pandemic, which was foremost on most voters' minds. Having news prior to the electon of an effective vaccine based on on-going data collection, especially from Modern who used OWS funds, would have swung the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 oh wow, so people with comorbidities can sign up for vaccines here in NYS starting next Monday, and obesity is on the list. That’s... like 40% of the state probably (and 60% of Erie County) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Doc said: People primarily voted for Joe because they trusted him more with the pandemic, which was foremost on most voters' minds. Having news prior to the electon of an effective vaccine based on on-going data collection, especially from Modern who used OWS funds, would have swung the election. I disagree. It's all about messaging...and the Media was all-in on getting rid of Trump. Nothing he did or said would have changed that, so the casual voter only heard bad stuff, because that's what they wanted they the casual voter to think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I disagree. It's all about messaging...and the Media was all-in on getting rid of Trump. Nothing he did or said would have changed that, so the casual voter only heard bad stuff, because that's what they wanted they the casual voter to think. True. But they would have been forced to report that the vaccines were effective and would be available soon. That would have assuaged a lot of peoples' fears. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Doc said: True. But they would have been forced to report that the vaccines were effective and would be available soon. That would have assuaged a lot of peoples' fears. And you don't think that the timing of the vaccine messaging wasn't conveniently slow rolled by the Agencies involved? Of course it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Get the flying f.... outta here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Democrat Mayor of Tampa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Just another anxiety ridden hopeless day for 50 million kids with zero hope of high schoolers having normal school and indefinite years of this. Should end well for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: And you don't think that the timing of the vaccine messaging wasn't conveniently slow rolled by the Agencies involved? Of course it was. Yes. That's what I've been saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 18 hours ago, RiotAct said: oh wow, so people with comorbidities can sign up for vaccines here in NYS starting next Monday, and obesity is on the list. That’s... like 40% of the state probably (and 60% of Erie County) Yet "we" don't seem to be as interested on fixing those. Spend anytime in any store and you're right - 6 out of the 10 people you'd first see upon entering are probably going to be obese. The parents are going to obese and their kids likely are too. You'd think with how COVID preys on the vitamin deficient obese body, you'd see a push not only for checking vitamin levels, healthier eating and getting out and getting a little exercise, but a push to get folks into medical/bariatric weight management programs. There is help out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 A World Health Organization team of experts wrapped up their visit to the Chinese city of Wuhan on Tuesday, with the conclusion that the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 is unlikely to have leaked from a Chinese lab and most probably jumped to humans from a yet-to-be-identified animal. WHO food safety and animal diseases expert Peter Ben Embarek told reporters at a briefing that the team’s investigation into the possible origins of the coronavirus in Wuhan, where the first cases were discovered in December 2019, found it was “extremely unlikely” that the virus originated in a lab, the Associated Press reported. https://on.mktw.net/2Z2GcRr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 The missing link... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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