The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Gary M]

5 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

Why do doctors and nurses wear masks while performing surgery ? I'm not trying to be a wiseguy 

 

Habit I guess, they pump you so full of antibiotics, they could likely use dirty instruments.

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Why do bank robbers? 😉

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Your last paragraph is somewhat correct.  A vaccine will be the best way to get herd immunity within a given population.  Your other premise, inferring that we should just let the virus spread, is both immoral and not effective.  Estimates are that at least 60% of the population would have to get Covid for the herd immunity you suggest.  Right now it’s I think about 10% and you have over 200k fatalities.  In such a scenario you would have millions die.  Do you believe that is acceptable public health care policy, that we should allow millions to die?

 

Here is what would likely happen if we just let the virus spread.  Hospitals would get over run, health care workers would dwindle, public panic would ensue as death rates go way up, people would shut themselves away in their homes, and we would have a true collapse of the economy and social structure.

 

Viruses don’t hang out and propagate on their own.  They require a host and the host’s cells to replicate.  Until effective vaccines are available, our best bet is to limit the access of the virus to new hosts, by using mitigating strategies.  They aren’t perfect and you are correct that people need to be more cognizant of proper mask usage.  But that does not mean they aren’t effective.  We know they are.

We all have to pull together 

 

 

....agree my friend but there will forever be a segment that does not......no masks, no precautions or anything remotely like safe practice protocols.....are they perpetrators and spreaders?....who knows with all of the inaccurate info out there and the entire pandemic being politicized for capital gain......very sad......"pulling together" USED TO HAPPEN....

[oldmanfan]

9 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

Why do doctors and nurses wear masks while performing surgery ? I'm not trying to be a wiseguy 

I run IVF labs so I wear a mask when we’re doing egg retrievals and such.  Masks are worn to protect the patient and the provider.  My wearing one makes sure I don’t send droplets into a sterile space.  My mask also prevents me from getting a face full of blood if spray occurs.

[Gary M]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

  Your other premise, inferring that we should just let the virus spread, is both immoral and not effective. 

 

Never said that.

 

I said  " the more people that get it and survive, the lower the mortality rate goes. "

 

here is the data, as more people are know to have covid the death rate drops, getting covid is not a death sentence.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

I run IVF labs so I wear a mask when we’re doing egg retrievals and such.  Masks are worn to protect the patient and the provider.  My wearing one makes sure I don’t send droplets into a sterile space.  My mask also prevents me from getting a face full of blood if spray occurs.

Speaking as a practicing Architect, let me say that first time I get a ‘face full of blood’ on me , I’m out of there! 😂

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

....agree my friend but there will forever be a segment that does not......no masks, no precautions or anything remotely like safe practice protocols.....are they perpetrators and spreaders?....who knows with all of the inaccurate info out there and the entire pandemic being politicized for capital gain......very sad......"pulling together" USED TO HAPPEN....

My friend, as tragic as the deaths and the economic impact have been, the most damaging long term consequence of this pandemic is the refusal to accept science and medicine by a sizable segment of society.  That may inflict damage that cannot be fixed.

1 minute ago, Gary M said:

 

Never said that.

 

I said  " the more people that get it and survive, the lower the mortality rate goes. "

 

here is the data, as more people are know to have covid the death rate drops, getting covid is not a death sentence.

That could hopefully be due to viral mutations.

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Speaking as a practicing Architect, let me say that first time I get a ‘face full of blood’ on me , I’m out of there! 😂

Yep, our surgeries are minimal.  You should see what the thoracic surgeons and orthopedic guys get into!

 

My biggest exposure risk is processing sperm samples.  My retirement plan is to go to comedy clubs and tell sperm stories.

[Gary M]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

My friend, as tragic as the deaths and the economic impact have been, the most damaging long term consequence of this pandemic is the refusal to accept science and medicine by a sizable segment of society.  That may inflict damage that cannot be fixed.

 

 

The science says I have a 96% (or higher) chance of surviving covid.

 

Why should I wear a mask and live in fear of going to dinner or the movies with those odds?

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

 

My biggest exposure risk is processing sperm samples.  My retirement plan is to go to comedy clubs and tell sperm stories.

Again, speaking as a practicing Architect, the first time I have to process a sperm sample....I’m out of there! 😉

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, BeerLeagueHockey said:

 

Good luck with that.  This vaccine won't hit the streets for years.  Vaccines for the other coronaviruses have not successfully been developed, and trust me, there was money to be made there.  Eradicate the common cold - you'd be Bezos rich.

 

I predict this will either take 5 years to develop a proper safe vaccine, or the half-assed ones will get distributed and the general population will just trade covaids for something else (G-B for instance).

I’m afraid you are likely correct.  My guess is Covid may wind up like HIV.  Antivirals will be developed and those will make the disease more of a chronic but liveable condition.  That and behavioral changes; condom usage for HIV, masks and such for Covid.

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...thanks bud...perhaps I need to add that to my regimen.....I take 16 different vitamins & supplements daily.....still working every day and just trying to stay healthy at 67.....of course WD-40 on the rocks for "Happy Hour" doesn't hurt either.....

I think zinc tends to help for many viruses.  I take it when I get a cold.  Seems to help but it may just be more psychosomatic.

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Again, speaking as a practicing Architect, the first time I have to process a sperm sample....I’m out of there! 😉

Puts food on the table!

2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

like some other swimming species, mine have become EXTINCT...I even tried worms and they won't "take the bait"......hopefully, HOPEFULLY this is a wake up call for those who have neglected and/or taken personal health for granted....even minimal changes can have a long term, positive impact......then again, we have the resistance" issue......

Yep.  We could all stand to be better with our general health and supporting our native immune systems.  I’m as guilty as anyone if not more so!

[daz28]

3 hours ago, ALF said:

 

Why do doctors and nurses wear masks while performing surgery ? I'm not trying to be a wiseguy 

For the same reason that you sneeze into your elbow when your sick.  To me it is utterly ridiculous to think that running around spitting in each others mouths wouldn't increase transmission of viruses.  People are gonna be stuck on what they believe even if Jesus himself came down, and told them the truth.  

[Bakin]

4 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

You are confusing mitigation and absolute prevention.  Fauci and all other responsible scientists changed their positions on masks as the understanding of the science and spread of the virus developed and it became clear masks helped prevent droplet transmission.  Likely reasons why they have not completely gotten rid of the virus is that not everyone wears them, some do not wear them correctly, and in crowded places with inadequate ventilation the virus spreads more easily.  

Wait - you just said they changed their positions on masks because they were lying about it to the public the first time.  You know - to flatten the curve?

 

As a scientist myself, I find that to be odd. 
 

not to mention the good handful of studies that show masks don’t do diddley dick. 

[daz28]

4 minutes ago, BeerLeagueHockey said:

Be honest, when can we remove our masks in public?

Maybe never.  I agree with you about the vaccine, too.  The first flu vaccine was discovered in 1938, and we've managed to get a 10-60% effectiveness since then.  In 1976 they rushed a swine flu vaccine that made a good number of people very sick(GBS).  I think Oldman is right that our best bet is to create treatments.  The health care industry will love that, and it will surely make insurance premiums rise.  The mask is pretty essential though.  Think of it this way, if you knew there was Ebola in the area would you wear one??  To a 70-80 year old person they may fear it like Ebola.  People and the economy do have to normalize.  Maybe if people would choose take-out instead of sit down.  Have a few friends over instead of going to the crowded dive bar.  Open theaters, events and gyms, but implement safety measures.  Have different school shifts.  It's just a fact people may have to compromise, but Americans hate that.  Maybe think of it like Great Britain during WW2.  People had ration cards.  They weren't allowed to get gasoline or have lights on, etc.  

[daz28]

Just now, BeerLeagueHockey said:

 

The lefty future is freaking bleak. Just kill me now.

The good news is hunting, fishing, and Harley's are on the good to go list.  When they come for my beer, that's where I draw the line.  Cheers buddy

[Bakin]

6 minutes ago, daz28 said:

Maybe never.  I agree with you about the vaccine, too.  The first flu vaccine was discovered in 1938, and we've managed to get a 10-60% effectiveness since then.  In 1976 they rushed a swine flu vaccine that made a good number of people very sick(GBS).  I think Oldman is right that our best bet is to create treatments.  The health care industry will love that, and it will surely make insurance premiums rise.  The mask is pretty essential though.  Think of it this way, if you knew there was Ebola in the area would you wear one??  To a 70-80 year old person they may fear it like Ebola.  People and the economy do have to normalize.  Maybe if people would choose take-out instead of sit down.  Have a few friends over instead of going to the crowded dive bar.  Open theaters, events and gyms, but implement safety measures.  Have different school shifts.  It's just a fact people may have to compromise, but Americans hate that.  Maybe think of it like Great Britain during WW2.  People had ration cards.  They weren't allowed to get gasoline or have lights on, etc.  

but this is not Ebola. Not even close. 

[shoshin]

5 hours ago, spartacus said:

 

more bullcrap "studies" designed to produce fear porn -that nothing works on the vrius

 

It is accepted "science" that early treatment is critical

yet this "study" ignored early treatment as a key variable

 

from the link-

"The trial participants were treated at 405 different hospitals around the world, each with their own treatment protocols, so factors beyond remdesivir may have impacted patient survival, he noted. In addition, remdesivir may still offer benefit to patients if given early in the course of their illness, but that wasn't specifically addressed by the new study, Dr. Maricar Malinis, an infectious diseases physician at Yale University, told the Times.

 

when is "science" just marketing pushing an agenda

 

 

I thought all the pharma companies were in cahoots with the government to lie about their studies because $$$.  Now you tel me “the man” is lying and saying drugs are ineffective to keep everyone locked up. I can’t keep your conspiracies straight. Please stick to one!

[realtruelove]

14 minutes ago, shoshin said:

I thought all the pharma companies were in cahoots with the government to lie about their studies because $$$.  Now you tel me “the man” is lying and saying drugs are ineffective to keep everyone locked up. I can’t keep your conspiracies straight. Please stick to one!

I think he's right about this.  It's widely known now that early treatment is vital.  To ignore that in any study makes the study invalid.

[4merper4mer]

I haven't had the chance to read Cuomo's book yet.  Has anyone else?

[daz28]

41 minutes ago, Bakin said:

but this is not Ebola. Not even close. 

If your 75 years old, you're 220x more likely to die than someone ages 18-29, so they may feel it's pretty darn serious.  If you read a little more closely, you'll see I never said Coronavirus=Ebola.  Not even close

24 minutes ago, realtruelove said:

I think he's right about this.  It's widely known now that early treatment is vital.  To ignore that in any study makes the study invalid.

From a scientific standpoint that's difficult, because you have to be able to definitively categorize what "early" means, especially because the virus reacts differently with different people 

[oldmanfan]

55 minutes ago, Bakin said:

Wait - you just said they changed their positions on masks because they were lying about it to the public the first time.  You know - to flatten the curve?

 

As a scientist myself, I find that to be odd. 
 

not to mention the good handful of studies that show masks don’t do diddley dick. 

They were not lying.  At the beginning of the pandemic the concern was being sure health care workers had masks, and they did not have the data as to routes of transmission.  As the curve flattened and as the science showed that spread is by droplets and aerosols the CDC and others then recommended mask usage to limit spread.  You’re a scientist, you know theories and recommendations change as more data and evidence is gained.

 

And if you go to any good scientific literature data base like PubMed and search for masks and Covid you will find a plethora of studies showing that masks are beneficial in mitigating spread.  The data is very solid.

[daz28]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

They were not lying.  At the beginning of the pandemic the concern was being sure health care workers had masks, and they did not have the data as to routes of transmission.  As the curve flattened and as the science showed that spread is by droplets and aerosols the CDC and others then recommended mask usage to limit spread.  You’re a scientist, you know theories and recommendations change as more data and evidence is gained.

 

And if you go to any good scientific literature data base like PubMed and search for masks and Covid you will find a plethora of studies showing that masks are beneficial in mitigating spread.  The data is very solid.

Or you could just pull out the old book of common sense that says when you sneeze into your elbow instead of into someone else's mouth, they're less likely to catch the flu from you.

[Warcodered]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/more-than-1-000-current-and-former-cdc-officers-condemn-u-s-covid-19-response-11602884265?mod=hp_lead_pos4

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/more-than-1-000-current-and-former-cdc-officers-condemn-u-s-covid-19-response/ar-BB1a6Bks?ocid=msedgntp

[Bakin]

3 hours ago, daz28 said:

If your 75 years old, you're 220x more likely to die than someone ages 18-29, so they may feel it's pretty darn serious.  If you read a little more closely, you'll see I never said Coronavirus=Ebola.  Not even close

From a scientific standpoint that's difficult, because you have to be able to definitively categorize what "early" means, especially because the virus reacts differently with different people 

Right but you said that a 70 year old might fear it like Ebola. Well that’s an irrational fear. 
if you are 75 you are much more likely to die than a 18-29 year old from virtually anything, including the very fact that tomorrow is another day closer to your death. 

[Bakin]

3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

They were not lying.  At the beginning of the pandemic the concern was being sure health care workers had masks, and they did not have the data as to routes of transmission.  As the curve flattened and as the science showed that spread is by droplets and aerosols the CDC and others then recommended mask usage to limit spread.  You’re a scientist, you know theories and recommendations change as more data and evidence is gained.

 

And if you go to any good scientific literature data base like PubMed and search for masks and Covid you will find a plethora of studies showing that masks are beneficial in mitigating spread.  The data is very solid.

Incorrect. 
First they lied and said ‘no masks because they aren’t necessary’ 

then they said ‘no masks because hoarding’

then they said ‘masks because ‘asymptomatic transmission’’ (no direct transmission information)

then they said ‘asymptomatic transmission was very rare’

then they said ‘we don’t know to what extent it asymptomatic transmission happens’. 
 

This is baaaaad science and even worse public policy ... all around. 
 

 

 

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, Bakin said:

Incorrect. 
First they lied and said ‘no masks because they aren’t necessary’ 

then they said ‘no masks because hoarding’

then they said ‘masks because ‘asymptomatic transmission’’ (no direct transmission information)

then they said ‘asymptomatic transmission was very rare’

then they said ‘we don’t know to what extent it asymptomatic transmission happens’. 
 

This is baaaaad science and even worse public policy ... all around. 
 

 

 

All these are inaccurate and reflect how scientific investigations take place, especially  in a situation like Covid.  Many are working and studying the virus, data comes in and as that happens recommendations change as well.

Edited October 17, 2020 by oldmanfan

[daz28]

20 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

All these are inaccurate and reflect how scientific investigations take place, especially  in a situation like Covid.  Many are working and studying the virus, data comes in and as that happens recommendations change as well.

The problem now is that Trump sent 2 people to the CDC who have zero medical backgrounds to filter the information that comes out.  You can have 10 bushels of data and studies, but no one to get it out.  

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

All these are inaccurate and reflect how scientific investigations take place, especially  in a situation like Covid.  Many are working and studying the virus, data comes in and as that happens recommendations change as well.

I mean at a certain point in history people believed the Earth was flat and probably said things like "The Earth is flat." then eventually it became known that it wasn't. That doesn't mean the people who had originally said it was flat were lying it means they were wrong. And I suppose you can use that they were wrong about masks against them, but I'm still going to put my faith in the evolving opinions of the experts in the field over random people on the internet.

[SDS]

8 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I mean at a certain point in history people believed the Earth was flat and probably said things like "The Earth is flat." then eventually it became known that it wasn't. That doesn't mean the people who had originally said it was flat were lying it means they were wrong. And I suppose you can use that they were wrong about masks against them, but I'm still going to put my faith in the evolving opinions of the experts in the field over random people on the internet.

Better science > science

[Bakin]

6 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

All these are inaccurate and reflect how scientific investigations take place, especially  in a situation like Covid.  Many are working and studying the virus, data comes in and as that happens recommendations change as well.

Disagree. All these reflected a ridiculously poor investigation and policy, bordering on a psyop meant to confuse and irritate.   

The very best way to have gone about it (in hindsight, though I was saying it from the beginning) would be Sweden plus protect the vulnerable. Which means no masks for virtually everyone, live as normal, reduce large gatherings...

but none of this back and forth nonsense. That’s not science. Oh do this...oh don’t do this...oh change that. That’s just madness. 
 

I mean the Director of the CDC was on TV just last month saying that a paper mask could offer him more protection than a COVID vaccine.
 

Then a few weeks later the CDC comes out and basically says masks are pretty useless for the wearers. 

“CDC guidance on masks has clearly stated that wearing a mask is intended to protect other people in case the mask wearer is infected. At no time has CDC guidance suggested that masks were intended to protect the wearers.”

WHAT?????

 

Though not the point of this study, 85% in this study who caught The Ro wore their masks always or nearly always.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6936a5-H.pdf

It’s just a bad flu bro

 

Edited October 17, 2020 by Bakin

[oldmanfan]

31 minutes ago, Bakin said:

Disagree. All these reflected a ridiculously poor investigation and policy, bordering on a psyop meant to confuse and irritate.   

The very best way to have gone about it (in hindsight, though I was saying it from the beginning) would be Sweden plus protect the vulnerable. Which means no masks for virtually everyone, live as normal, reduce large gatherings...

but none of this back and forth nonsense. That’s not science. Oh do this...oh don’t do this...oh change that. That’s just madness. 
 

I mean the Director of the CDC was on TV just last month saying that a paper mask could offer him more protection than a COVID vaccine.
 

Then a few weeks later the CDC comes out and basically says masks are pretty useless for the wearers. 

“CDC guidance on masks has clearly stated that wearing a mask is intended to protect other people in case the mask wearer is infected. At no time has CDC guidance suggested that masks were intended to protect the wearers.”

WHAT?????

 

Though not the point of this study, 85% in this study who caught The Ro wore their masks always or nearly always.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6936a5-H.pdf

It’s just a bad flu bro

 

It is not just a bad flu.  The mortality rate is 5-10 times higher, there is no vaccine, and it can be spread by asymptomatic infected persons.  Sweden’s trial is proving to be mistaken; their per capita mortality rate is much higher than other European countries.

 

I’ve already  addressed  your misconceptions about the study you cite.

 

The idea of masks is to hold down spread of droplets by the wearer.  That has always been a consistent position.  What the CDC Director is saying is that if we ALL wear masks right now it would be more effective than a vaccine.

 

Yoyr approach would kill a lot of people.  How many American citizens do you think are expendable?  Give me a number.  Or maybe the thing to do, since the elderly are more affected, is to pick an age and anyone over that age should just be humanely sacrificed now.  What age would you select?

[fansince88]

45 minutes ago, Bakin said:

Disagree. All these reflected a ridiculously poor investigation and policy, bordering on a psyop meant to confuse and irritate.   

The very best way to have gone about it (in hindsight, though I was saying it from the beginning) would be Sweden plus protect the vulnerable. Which means no masks for virtually everyone, live as normal, reduce large gatherings...

but none of this back and forth nonsense. That’s not science. Oh do this...oh don’t do this...oh change that. That’s just madness. 
 

I mean the Director of the CDC was on TV just last month saying that a paper mask could offer him more protection than a COVID vaccine.
 

Then a few weeks later the CDC comes out and basically says masks are pretty useless for the wearers. 

“CDC guidance on masks has clearly stated that wearing a mask is intended to protect other people in case the mask wearer is infected. At no time has CDC guidance suggested that masks were intended to protect the wearers.”

WHAT?????

 

Though not the point of this study, 85% in this study who caught The Ro wore their masks always or nearly always.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6936a5-H.pdf

It’s just a bad flu bro

 

 

7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

It is not just a bad flu.  The mortality rate is 5-10 times higher, there is no vaccine, and it can be spread by asymptomatic infected persons.  Sweden’s trial is proving to be mistaken; their per capita mortality rate is much higher than other European countries.

 

I’ve already  addressed  your misconceptions about the study you cite.

 

The idea of masks is to hold down spread of droplets by the wearer.  That has always been a consistent position.  What the CDC Director is saying is that if we ALL wear masks right now it would be more effective than a vaccine.

 

Yoyr approach would kill a lot of people.  How many American citizens do you think are expendable?  Give me a number.  Or maybe the thing to do, since the elderly are more affected, is to pick an age and anyone over that age should just be humanely sacrificed now.  What age would you select?

Truth is we have no clue. CDC is making this stuff up as it goes and we eat it all up and tear each other up when they don't listen or even enforce it. We are a two sided system built by a two sided party built by two opinions. The question really is which puppeteer is controlling you and I? 

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, fansince88 said:

 

Truth is we have no clue. CDC is making this stuff up as it goes and we eat it all up and tear each other up when they don't listen or even enforce it. We are a two sided system built by a two sided party built by two opinions. The question really is which puppeteer is controlling you and I? 

I believe the data tells us if we wear masks, all of us, and wear them correctly it will significantly decrease infections.

[fansince88]

11 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I believe the data tells us if we wear masks, all of us, and wear them correctly it will significantly decrease infections.

Yet the data shows nearly 80% of infected wore masks. and early data in NY were 65% of infected stayed home. of course those numbers too are always changing

Edited October 17, 2020 by fansince88

[SoCal Deek]

14 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I believe the data tells us if we wear masks, all of us, and wear them correctly it will significantly decrease infections.m

It only slows down the rate of infection and prolongs the problem. 

[oldmanfan]

6 minutes ago, fansince88 said:

Yet the data shows nearly 80% of infected wore masks. and early data in NY were 65% of infected stayed home. of course those numbers too are always changing

That study with the 80% is being misconstrued.  What it really showed is those in restaurants and bars/coffee shops where you have to take your mask off had higher infection rates.  I agree on the NYS data; that has always been puzzling.

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

It only slows down the rate of infection and prolongs the problem. 

No.  Absolutely no.  If what you are saying is to forego masks the infection and mortality rates would skyrocket.  You don’t really want that, do you?

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

That study with the 80% is being misconstrued.  What it really showed is those in restaurants and bars/coffee shops where you have to take your mask off had higher infection rates.  I agree on the NYS data; that has always been puzzling.

What is it that you’re hoping for? There isn’t a SINGLE STATE anywhere in America that’s currently inundated by Covid 19. Not one! Our treatment methods have gotten much better. Our supply chain has been reinforced. We weathered the initial storm in the NY metro area. We even weathered the summer influx across the sunbelt. The sole focus now should be on a vaccine. 

[fansince88]

14 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

That study with the 80% is being misconstrued.  What it really showed is those in restaurants and bars/coffee shops where you have to take your mask off had higher infection rates.  I agree on the NYS data; that has always been puzzling.

No.  Absolutely no.  If what you are saying is to forego masks the infection and mortality rates would skyrocket.  You don’t really want that, do you?

I say open up and infect away. If you are afraid for any reason whatsoever stay home. My co-workers father, 82yo and his sister, 55 and his nephew 25 all got it two weeks ago. Sister was deathly sick for about 2 days and still not feeling well but he says she complains about everything so hard to say. His nephew had a bad headache and lost his taste. His 82yo father said it was like a bad cold and put in two cord of firewood and changed 3 basement windows. He is glad he got it and has the antibodies. I think I had it in February. 

[spartacus]

17 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

 

No.  Absolutely no.  If what you are saying is to forego masks the infection and mortality rates would skyrocket.  You don’t really want that, do you?

 

even in current "hotspots" around the world- the mortality rates are not skyrocketing

they are in fact still dropping

 

95% of those testing positive do not have symptoms and are not sick

of those that get sick, 99.7% successfully recover

use treatments the the media continually tries to sabotage

take zinc - which boosts your immune system to stop the replication of the virus

 

the proper plan would be to spread it as quickly as possible to use up the remaining hosts

 

masks are a joke because it is a physical impossibility for a mask to stop a .27 micron virus particle

[oldmanfan]

24 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

What is it that you’re hoping for? There isn’t a SINGLE STATE anywhere in America that’s currently inundated by Covid 19. Not one! Our treatment methods have gotten much better. Our supply chain has been reinforced. We weathered the initial storm in the NY metro area. We even weathered the summer influx across the sunbelt. The sole focus now should be on a vaccine. 

The focus should on a vaccine.  Not arguing that.  But developing successful vaccines against corona viruses have nerve been very successful.  Hope this time it is, but we should also focus on developing treatment strategies and on keeping the virus from spreading.

 

I increasingly think Covid may wind up like HIV, where through strategies to prevent spread and treatments have rendered it more of a chronic condition if you get it.

 

Look at what you’re saying though.  You talk about weathering it in NYS and other areas.  How many died?  How many have long term effects?

4 minutes ago, spartacus said:

 

even in current "hotspots" around the world- the mortality rates are not skyrocketing

they are in fact still dropping

 

95% of those testing positive do not have symptoms and are not sick

of those that get sick, 99.7% successfully recover

use treatments the the media continually tries to sabotage

take zinc - which boosts your immune system to stop the replication of the virus

 

the proper plan would be to spread it as quickly as possible to use up the remaining hosts

 

masks are a joke because it is a physical impossibility for a mask to stop a .27 micron virus particle

The masks stop droplets and help stop aerosols.  You can keep saying 2 + 2= 5 and you will still be wrong.  The idea of spreading it as rapidly as possible will kill millions.  That is immoral.

11 minutes ago, fansince88 said:

I say open up and infect away. If you are afraid for any reason whatsoever stay home. My co-workers father, 82yo and his sister, 55 and his nephew 25 all got it two weeks ago. Sister was deathly sick for about 2 days and still not feeling well but he says she complains about everything so hard to say. His nephew had a bad headache and lost his taste. His 82yo father said it was like a bad cold and put in two cord of firewood and changed 3 basement windows. He is glad he got it and has the antibodies. I think I had it in February. 

How many people in the US and the world are you Ok with dying?  Give me a number.

Edited October 17, 2020 by oldmanfan