The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[BillStime]

13 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Tell us when Florida approaches this graph that was created by your hero and that you celebrated with glee

 

Cuomo did a fantastic job given the months upon months of Trump ignoring his own intelligence.

[GG]

Just now, BillStime said:

Cuomo did a fantastic job given the months upon months of Trump ignoring his own intelligence.

 

Thousands of unnecessarily dead people and their families strongly disagree with the above

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

Why is this ok? Where is the outrage?  Trump and his buddies are in it for themselves - and we are reminded everyday.

 

A Company Run by a White House “Volunteer” With No Experience in Medical Supplies Got $2.4 Million From the Feds for Medical Supplies

 

A couple of questions and I'll even give you your answers. 

 

1.  How many other companies were they bidding against? 

     a.  Answer:  2

2.  Why did they win the contract?

     a.  Answer: I don't know and neither do you?

3.  How have they done regarding the contract?

     a. Answer: I don't know and neither do you.

4.  How many other companies got first time government contracts?

     a. Answer 445.  Seems like a lot. Why pick on this one (rhetorical question)

5.  Ford never made ventilators before but they rushed in to help.  Why are you pointing a finger at this company for doing the same?

    a. Answer:  Simple. Orange Man Bad!! 

 

So I'll ask you one question that I'd love to hear your answer on.   Based on the above.  Why the outrage? 

 

 

 

Edited June 26, 2020 by Chef Jim

[plenzmd1]

2 hours ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

Deaths lag weeks behind new cases. This has been known for months. Hopefully California is different. 

Take a look at the charts posted below...not seeing that trend in Florida

2 hours ago, GG said:

 

That 70% figure is part of the panic porn, because they represent it as the number of people who were infected by the virus, as opposed to the number of people who have been exposed to the virus.  There is a good number of people who may be naturally resistant to the virus in the first place, which is proven by less than 100% infection rates of immediate family members.   So if you look at the recent estimates that up to 30% of people in highly infected areas had the virus, and apply a similar percentage to people who were exposed, but didn't contract it (ie almost everyone under 20), then you can easily get to 60% exposure to the virus in the last 6 months. 

 

The anecdotal evidence proves it by the almost complete elimination of the spread in regions that got hard hit in Feb - April.

Obviously anecdotal...but now know 8 people who have tested positive for the virus, and none of them have passed it on to other household members. Interestingly enough, of the small number that have had the antibody test, none have come back positive for them either

23 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Want to know what is crazy?

 

8,942 new cases in Florida and 13% positive rate, meaning that is an undercount.  

 

Complete incompetence by Trump puppet 
Governor Ron DeSantis.

 

Pray for the people of Florida.

 

Florida adds another 8,942 new COVID-19 cases, breaking single-day record again

 

• June 18: 3,207
• June 19: 3,822
• June 20: 4,049
• June 21: 3,494
• June 22: 2,926 
• June 23: 3,286
• June 24: 5,508
• June 25: 5,004
• June 26: 8,942

Why, very few requiring hospitalizations and very few at any risk of death. 

 

Funny how people are using March and April results and outcomes and not May and June. 

 

 

https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/06/24/two-charts-show-positive-trends-for-florida-in-coronavirus-battle/

[Chef Jim]

31 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Want to know what is crazy?

 

8,942 new cases in Florida and 13% positive rate, meaning that is an undercount.  

 

Complete incompetence by Trump puppet 
Governor Ron DeSantis.

 

Pray for the people of Florida.

 

Florida adds another 8,942 new COVID-19 cases, breaking single-day record again

 

• June 18: 3,207
• June 19: 3,822
• June 20: 4,049
• June 21: 3,494
• June 22: 2,926 
• June 23: 3,286
• June 24: 5,508
• June 25: 5,004
• June 26: 8,942

 

Pray for the people of Florida?  No.....

 

BEST

PANDEMIC

SECOND 

WAVE

EVER!!! 

[Hedge]

 

 

Link for when it goes live:

 

 

[keepthefaith]

34 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Want to know what is crazy?

 

8,942 new cases in Florida and 13% positive rate, meaning that is an undercount.  

 

Complete incompetence by Trump puppet 
Governor Ron DeSantis.

 

Pray for the people of Florida.

 

Florida adds another 8,942 new COVID-19 cases, breaking single-day record again

 

• June 18: 3,207
• June 19: 3,822
• June 20: 4,049
• June 21: 3,494
• June 22: 2,926 
• June 23: 3,286
• June 24: 5,508
• June 25: 5,004
• June 26: 8,942

 

I love how people want to tie Trump to the policies of 50 state governors. 

[GG]

1 minute ago, keepthefaith said:

 

I love how people want to tie Trump to the policies of 50 state governors. 

 

The world's worst dictator ever!

[bilzfancy]

36 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Want to know what is crazy?

 

8,942 new cases in Florida and 13% positive rate, meaning that is an undercount.  

 

Complete incompetence by Trump puppet 
Governor Ron DeSantis.

 

Pray for the people of Florida.

 

Florida adds another 8,942 new COVID-19 cases, breaking single-day record again

 

• June 18: 3,207
• June 19: 3,822
• June 20: 4,049
• June 21: 3,494
• June 22: 2,926 
• June 23: 3,286
• June 24: 5,508
• June 25: 5,004
• June 26: 8,942

We're doing just fine in Florida and think DeSantis is doing just fine, at least he didn't send covid19 patients to nursing homes to kill as many of the elderly as possible, like King Cuomo did. Compare the deaths in Florida to those in NYS, you'll be surprised

[BillStime]

7 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Thousands of unnecessarily dead people and their families strongly disagree with the above

I know - it’s a shame Trump is so incompetent and literally has no plan.

 

Look at all those red state governors putting Trumps agenda before Americans.

 

So sad.

 

Just remember who said what when:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[GG]

You still don't understand the concept of federalism, do you?

[BillStime]

11 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

A couple of questions and I'll even give you your answers. 

 

1.  How many other companies were they bidding against? 

     a.  Answer:  2

2.  Why did they win the contract?

     a.  Answer: I don't know and neither do you?

3.  How have they done regarding the contract?

     a. Answer: I don't know and neither do you.

4.  How many other companies got first time government contracts?

     a. Answer 445.  Seems like a lot. Why pick on this one (rhetorical question)

5.  Ford never made ventilators before but they rushed in to help.  Why are you pointing a finger at this company for doing the same?

    a. Answer:  Simple. Orange Man Bad!! 

 

So I'll ask you one question that I'd love to hear your answer on.   Based on the above.  Why the outrage? 

 

 

 

This is the second example this week alone of Trump cronies making millions off of Americans’ misery.  Simply despicable!  We need trials when this is over.

 

And Hillary was too corrupt. 

12 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

I love how people want to tie Trump to the policies of 50 state governors. 

 

 

4 minutes ago, GG said:

You still don't understand the concept of federalism, do you?

Keep spinning bro - looks good on you 

[GG]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

This is the second example this week alone of Trump cronies making millions off of Americans’ misery.  Simply despicable!  We need trials when this is over.

 

And Hillary was too corrupt. 

 

It's the second example this week of the press focusing on a Trump connection for its fake outrage, instead of focusing on the larger issues of inside dealings inside DC.

 

I'm glad that you recognize that Hillary was also corrupt, yet your solutions are to give even more power to the bureaucracy where these self-dealings can expand.   

 

Do you ever consider the second step of whatever you think is the right thing to do?

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

It's the second example this week of the press focusing on a Trump connection for its fake outrage, instead of focusing on the larger issues of inside dealings inside DC.

 

I'm glad that you recognize that Hillary was also corrupt, yet your solutions are to give even more power to the bureaucracy where these self-dealings can expand.   

 

Do you ever consider the second step of whatever you think is the right thing to do?

Do you ever realize how much you turn yourself into a pretzel every time you post?

 

[Chef Jim]

11 minutes ago, BillStime said:

This is the second example this week alone of Trump cronies making millions off of Americans’ misery.  Simply despicable!  We need trials when this is over.

 

 

He's a Trump crony??  

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

 

He's a Trump crony??  

Cmon Jim follow the money

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, BillStime said:

Trump made promises and Americans died.

 

You also sidestepped my question for an explanation of this.  

Just now, BillStime said:

Cmon Jim follow the money

 

Cmon Bill.  Quit the false outrage.  

 

Is he a crony? 

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 hour ago, meazza said:

 

I will begin to worry when former hot spots such as NYC, Milan and Montreal start to flare up again.

That would be a big concern.
 

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, GG said:

 

estimates that 20%-30% could be naturally resistant

 

W

T

F

?

 

The herd isn't close to immune, and Florida's number today is incredible. 

 

Texas is now starting to shut back down again, contrary to Magox's predictions that there wouldn't be any new shutdowns. Bars to close. Restaurants going back to 50% capacity. And that's in a Republican state.  

[BillStime]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

You also sidestepped my question for an explanation of this.  

 

Cmon Bill.  Quit the false outrage.  

 

Is he a crony? 

Trump promised the most beautiful inexpensive TrumpCare - ready to go day one - and all this admin accomplished was a fat tax cut for the rich.

 

Now Trump is asking the Supreme Court to kill Obamacare altogether. 
 

What will the millions on Obamacare do without insurance - during a pandemic?

 

Regarding the guy who won the contract - you tell me - he “volunteered” at the White House.

 

More on the company that won from article:

 

“BlackPoint Distribution’s website does not mention Konkler but describes its work as “locating, verifying and successfully delivering vital products and equipment in the midst of extremely challenging environments.” The domain name was registered on April 9, 2020. In its incorporation documents, Konkler is listed as the CEO of BlackPoint Distribution. The only contact information on the site is a web form and an email address. Emails sent to it were returned as undeliverable, and Konkler did not return multiple phone calls and messages seeking comment.”

[Unforgiven]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

Why is this ok? Where is the outrage?  Trump and his buddies are in it for themselves - and we are reminded everyday.

 

A Company Run by a White House “Volunteer” With No Experience in Medical Supplies Got $2.4 Million From the Feds for Medical Supplies

Biden Cancer Nonprofit Paid Its Top Execs Millions. It Spent Little to Eradicate Cancer

https://freebeacon.com/2020-election/biden-cancer-nonprofit-paid-its-top-execs-millions-little-on-mission-to-eradicate-cancer/

His cronies made out tho.

Cancer.

Where is your outrage you obtuse nitwit.

Edited June 26, 2020 by Unforgiven

[jrober38]

5 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

W

T

F

?

 

The herd isn't close to immune, and Florida's number today is incredible. 

 

Texas is now starting to shut back down again, contrary to Magox's predictions that there wouldn't be any new shutdowns. Bars to close. Restaurants going back to 50% capacity. And that's in a Republican state.  

 

What's happening in Florida is incredible.

Two weeks ago 1,900 new cases. Today, over 9,000. 

 

Without another total lock down, the number of new cases will keep doubling every 4-5 days like NY did in March.

[GG]

7 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

W

T

F

?

 

The herd isn't close to immune, and Florida's number today is incredible. 

 

Texas is now starting to shut back down again, contrary to Magox's predictions that there wouldn't be any new shutdowns. Bars to close. Restaurants going back to 50% capacity. And that's in a Republican state.  

 

Which part of "areas that were hard hit early on" is confusing?

[meazza]

51 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Thousands of unnecessarily dead people and their families strongly disagree with the above

 
I didn’t realize Fredo was a member of tbd.

[Gary M]

7 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

 

 

Without another total lock down, the number of new cases will keep doubling every 4-5 days like NY did in March.

 

So? Everyone will get covid, it won't go away until that happens. Did we flatten the curve and give hospitals the time to prepare or not?

 

[BillStime]

9 minutes ago, Unforgiven said:

Biden Cancer Nonprofit Paid Its Top Execs Millions. It Spent Little to Eradicate Cancer

https://freebeacon.com/2020-election/biden-cancer-nonprofit-paid-its-top-execs-millions-little-on-mission-to-eradicate-cancer/

His cronies made out tho.

Cancer.

Where is your outrage you obtuse nitwit.

Go find out how much of my tax dollars went to this non profit?

 

And while you’re at it - tell me a little bit more about the Trump Foundation and his charities.

 

Ill wait. 

[jrober38]

Just now, Gary M said:

 

So? Everyone will get covid, it won't go away until that happens. Did we flatten the curve and give hospitals the time to prepare or not?

 

 

States like New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Michigan flattened the curve. They got smashed initially but seem to have it almost completely under control now.

 

Florida and Texas are still in the first wave. In two weeks once the vulnerable patients testing positive now start winding up on ventilators in the ICU their systems will come under pressure. It seems inevitable that those states will have to lock down again in the coming weeks (both took steps today), further damaging the economy. 

7 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Go find out how much of my tax dollars went to this non profit?

 

And while you’re at it - tell me a little bit more about the Trump Foundation and his charities.

 

Ill wait. 

 

The charities that proved to be total frauds?

 

Just like Trump University?

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

States like New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Michigan flattened the curve. They got smashed initially but seem to have it almost completely under control now.

 

Florida and Texas are still in the first wave. In two weeks once the vulnerable patients testing positive now start winding up on ventilators in the ICU their systems will come under pressure. It seems inevitable that those states will have to lock down again in the coming weeks (both took steps today), further damaging the economy. 

You don't seem to understand what that actually means. If you got smashed initially and are done you didn't flatten the curve, you got it over with. Flattening the curve always means a lower peak and a longer duration. 

[Gary M]

4 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

States like New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Michigan flattened the curve. They got smashed initially but seem to have it almost completely under control now.

 

Florida and Texas are still in the first wave. In two weeks once the vulnerable patients testing positive now start winding up on ventilators in the ICU their systems will come under pressure. It seems inevitable that those states will have to lock down again in the coming weeks (both took steps today), further damaging the economy. 

negative.

 

Florida cases have been climbing for weeks, yet the death rate remains constant.  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

 

Texas cases have been climbing for weeks, yet deaths rate remains constant  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/

Edited June 26, 2020 by Gary M

[jrober38]

Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:

You don't seem to understand what that actually means. If you got smashed initially and are done you didn't flatten the curve, you got it over with. Flattening the curve always means a lower peak and a longer duration. 

 

Their peaks were all much lower than what was projected without any social distancing.

[GG]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

You don't seem to understand what that actually means. If you got smashed initially and are done you didn't flatten the curve, you got it over with. Flattening the curve always means a lower peak and a longer duration. 

 

Details, details

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, jrober38 said:

 

Their peaks were all much lower than what was projected without any social distancing.

Yes. We're also at 5% of the projected deaths. The projections were trash, which isn't surprising given the limited and low quality data they had to go by.. This doesn't change the fact that you don't seem to understand how flattening the curve works.

[shoshin]

Just now, GG said:

 

Details, details

Will see if rising cases lead to a spike in deaths. Most of the cases have just been diagnosed in the last few days. 

[Hedge]

 

 

[plenzmd1]

1 hour ago, shoshin said:

Will see if rising cases lead to a spike in deaths. Most of the cases have just been diagnosed in the last few days. 

Florida's case numbers have  been increasing at a good clip since ..wait for it, Memorial Day.  Yet hospitalizations and deaths have not.

 

https://tallahasseereports.com/2020/06/24/two-charts-show-positive-trends-for-florida-in-coronavirus-battle/

 

Now, 9K today, wow!  

 

Strictly my take on it...March and April only people getting tests were really sick, in higher risk groups, so naturally hopitilations and deaths were naturally going to higher.

 

As we have gotten better at testing and contract tracing and more are available, many more asymptomatic people will be tested and those key numbers , especially deaths, just will not be the same percentage as when only really sick people were getting tested. Think Pence said nationwide April was 15% of positives hospitalized, today its less than 5%. And, I suspect in some, many hospitals that have been devasted by empty beds, a good number of those folks do not need hospitalizations.

 

Having said that, the opposite would be Remisvider has to be administered in hospital and for 5 days i believe, so that is prolly also driving the hospital numbers

[Chef Jim]

3 hours ago, BillStime said:

Trump promised the most beautiful inexpensive TrumpCare - ready to go day one - and all this admin accomplished was a fat tax cut for the rich.

 

Now Trump is asking the Supreme Court to kill Obamacare altogether. 
 

What will the millions on Obamacare do without insurance - during a pandemic?

 

Regarding the guy who won the contract - you tell me - he “volunteered” at the White House.

 

More on the company that won from article:

 

“BlackPoint Distribution’s website does not mention Konkler but describes its work as “locating, verifying and successfully delivering vital products and equipment in the midst of extremely challenging environments.” The domain name was registered on April 9, 2020. In its incorporation documents, Konkler is listed as the CEO of BlackPoint Distribution. The only contact information on the site is a web form and an email address. Emails sent to it were returned as undeliverable, and Konkler did not return multiple phone calls and messages seeking comment.”

 

You didn't get a tax cut?  You may want to talk to your CPA.

 

Trump was elected in part because he said he'd repeal and replace Obamacare.  You guys B word when he goes back on campaign promises and now you complain about him keeping his promises.  Geez.  You guys complain a lot.

 

Who said repealing Obamacare would leave millions without insurance?  Is that going to happen?   I'm relying on the replace part of repeal and replace to make it better. We shall see. 

 

The guy who got the contract worked for the pentagon under the Bush administration.  How does that make him a Trump crony?  Methinks you don't know what a crony is.

 

 

[plenzmd1]

this is very interesting...he says 1000's of companies are doing this...any of yalls places of employement doing temp screens everyday? If so, see how it could have a massive impact on positive tests

 

 

[Chef Jim]

3 hours ago, BillStime said:

Go find out how much of my tax dollars went to this non profit?

 

 

Good lord dude.  Do you know what doesn't get paid by non-profits?  TAXES.  You're not this dumb are you? 

[snafu]

3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

this is very interesting...he says 1000's of companies are doing this...any of yalls places of employement doing temp screens everyday? If so, see how it could have a massive impact on positive tests

 

 

 

 

Maybe I am reading that wrong. Are reports of "elevated temperatures" in workplaces being reported as positive COVID cases?

I find this hard to believe.  Isn't a positive COVID test the only way to report an actual COVID case? 

 

 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

 

Maybe I am reading that wrong. Are reports of "elevated temperatures" in workplaces being reported as positive COVID cases?

I find this hard to believe.  Isn't a positive COVID test the only way to report an actual COVID case? 

 

 

 

 

This is interesting. We start having everyone back July 6th and will check temps daily.  I have not been trained on the protocol but if a high temp has to be reported as a COVID-19 case that’s really stupid.