The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Chef Jim]

8 hours ago, Gene Frenkle said:

Will you vote for him?

 

Edit: not to be a dick, truly.

Absolutely. 

[ALF]

2 minutes ago, Nanker said:

He doesn’t have to because the media will never ask him that question or any other that might put him in less than the heavenly glow of the New Democrat front runner for 2020. 

 

Then a valid question for Trump to ask him

[billsfan1959]

1 hour ago, westside2 said:

What were your china loving liberals doing the first 70 days? 

Let's see.......

1. They called Trump a racist when he decided to ban travel to china.

2. Pelosi was telling people to come on down to Chinatown in February. 

3. During the most crucial time of the virus spreading in the US, the Democrats were holding a sham impeachment trial.

4. Let's not forget the mayor of NYC saying it's perfectly fine to go out on public. 

5. Pelosi rejecting the relief bill to add a ton of pork for her new "green ideas", which delayed the American people and small businesses the money they so desperately need.

6. Sending the endowment of the arts 25 million before anyone received their check. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that her friends are on the board. Yeah, just a coincidence. 

7. Bumbling biden saying he would not have closed the border. Can you imagine how much worse it would be if he were in charge?

 

That's just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are many more I missed. And you have the nerve to call Trump incompetent? Thank God he is in charge instead of the left! I know when this is over, he is the right person to turn this economy back into the huge success pre covid19. 

 

 

I have posted an accurate timeline since the December 31, 2019, statement from the WHO of some "unusual pneumonia" case in China into March of 2020. I have posted it at least 5 times in this thread and challenged a number of posters to demonstrate at which point in January or February should Trump or any leader in the world, outside of China, understood the magnitude of what was about to happen - and why.

 

Not one single poster answered

 

Here is the timeline:

 

Timeline

- On December 31, China alerted the WHO to several cases of unusual pneumonia in Wuhan
- On January 7, the WHO reported that China had identified a new virus, named 2019-nCoV, and that it was identified as belonging to the coronavirus family, which includes SARS and the common cold.
- On Jan 11, China announced its first death from the virus released the genetic sequence. However, it was also accompanied with the information that they had only experienced 41 cases and that there was no obvious evidence of human-to-human spread yet. 
- By Jan 17, China had reported only 2 deaths and only two cases had been identified outside of China
- On Jan 20, First US case is reported
- On Jan 20, Trump forms coronavirus task force
- On January 23, The WHO reported that the outbreak did not yet constitute a public emergency of international concern and there was "no evidence" of the virus spreading between humans outside of China.
- On January 30, the WHO declared the virus a global emergency and reported the death toll in China at 170, with 7,711 cases.
- On Jan 31, President Trump bans foreign nationals from entering the US if they were in China within the prior two weeks.
- By Feb 3, new cases had been confirmed in at least 7 countries, including the US; however, there had been only 1 death reported outside of China. That was in the Phillipines and it was a man from Wuhan.
- By Feb 6, only 30 people in Europe had been identified with the virus and all had ties to China. This is also the date of the first identified human to human transmission of the virus in Malasia.
- On Feb 12, cases start to spike in South Korea
- Through the end of Feb, there had been 88,000 confirmed cases - but only 8000 confirmed cases outside of China. There were 2977 deaths - but only 142 outside of China
- Between Mar 1 - Mar 10 approx 35,000 new cases identified outside of China, and 1,319 deaths world-wide outside of China
- On Mar 11, the WHO officiallly declares a pandemic
- On Mar 11, President Trump bans all travel from 26 European countries for non-US citizens and non-green card holders
- By Mar 11, There were 32,000 confirmed cases and 1,400 deaths, world-wide, outside of China and South Korea - with both China and Korea reporting stabilazation of the virus.
- On Mar 13, Trump declares a US national emergency with 2,183 confirmed cases and 48 deaths

Edited April 5, 2020 by billsfan1959

[Nanker]

3 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

Then a valid question for Trump to ask him

Trump’s by and large playing nice with him and the Democrat governors that aren’t biting at his ankles. 
 

You’re right though, he will ask him that and more if and when Biden collapses his campaign and Cuomo becomes the nominee. I give that about a 55 - 45% chance of happening at this point. He’ll have to answer for his time as chief of HUD and his role in the housing mortgage collapse that fueled the Great Recession too. 

[Westside]

3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I have posted an accurate timeline since the December 31, 2019, statement from the WHO of some "unusual pneumonia" case in China into March of 2020. I have posted it at least 5 times in this thread and challenged a number of posters to demonstrate at which point in January or February should Trump or any leader in the world, outside of China, understood the magnitude of what was about to happen - and why.

 

Not one single poster answered

They are part of the left propaganda machine which is controlled by china. There only goal is to get rid of this president, by any means possible and destroy democracy in this country. 

Does anyone notice that they all repeat the same lies over and over again, no matter when presented with the truth? 

They have an agenda. They want to see this country fail. They are traitors to America. This is very much a war against the communist sympathizers on the left for the heart and soul of this great country. 

Do not take this lightly, because they don't. 

[Nanker]

9 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I have posted an accurate timeline since the December 31, 2019, statement from the WHO of some "unusual pneumonia" case in China into March of 2020. I have posted it at least 5 times in this thread and challenged a number of posters to demonstrate at which point in January or February should Trump or any leader in the world, outside of China, understood the magnitude of what was about to happen - and why.

 

Not one single poster answered

Maybe if Our spy network hadn’t been obliterated we might have gotten some warnings earlier. 
 

The world will never be the same. 

[billsfan1959]

5 minutes ago, westside2 said:

They are part of the left propaganda machine which is controlled by china. There only goal is to get rid of this president, by any means possible and destroy democracy in this country. 

Does anyone notice that they all repeat the same lies over and over again, no matter when presented with the truth? 

They have an agenda. They want to see this country fail. They are traitors to America. This is very much a war against the communist sympathizers on the left for the heart and soul of this great country. 

Do not take this lightly, because they don't. 

Yep.

 

BTW, I edited the post you quoted to add the timeline I referenced. I'll put it here so you don't have to go back:

 

- On December 31, China alerted the WHO to several cases of unusual pneumonia in Wuhan
- On January 7, the WHO reported that China had identified a new virus, named 2019-nCoV, and that it was identified as belonging to the coronavirus family, which includes SARS and the common cold.
- On Jan 11, China announced its first death from the virus released the genetic sequence. However, it was also accompanied with the information that they had only experienced 41 cases and that there was no obvious evidence of human-to-human spread yet. 
- By Jan 17, China had reported only 2 deaths and only two cases had been identified outside of China
- On Jan 20, First US case is reported
- On Jan 20, Trump forms coronavirus task force
- On January 23, The WHO reported that the outbreak did not yet constitute a public emergency of international concern and there was "no evidence" of the virus spreading between humans outside of China.
- On January 30, the WHO declared the virus a global emergency and reported the death toll in China at 170, with 7,711 cases.
- On Jan 31, President Trump bans foreign nationals from entering the US if they were in China within the prior two weeks.
- By Feb 3, new cases had been confirmed in at least 7 countries, including the US; however, there had been only 1 death reported outside of China. That was in the Phillipines and it was a man from Wuhan.
- By Feb 6, only 30 people in Europe had been identified with the virus and all had ties to China. This is also the date of the first identified human to human transmission of the virus in Malasia.
- On Feb 12, cases start to spike in South Korea
- Through the end of Feb, there had been 88,000 confirmed cases - but only 8000 confirmed cases outside of China. There were 2977 deaths - but only 142 outside of China
- Between Mar 1 - Mar 10 approx 35,000 new cases identified outside of China, and 1,319 deaths world-wide outside of China
- On Mar 11, the WHO officiallly declares a pandemic
- On Mar 11, President Trump bans all travel from 26 European countries for non-US citizens and non-green card holders
- By Mar 11, There were 32,000 confirmed cases and 1,400 deaths, world-wide, outside of China and South Korea - with both China and Korea reporting stabilazation of the virus.
- On Mar 13, Trump declares a US national emergency with 2,183 confirmed cases and 48 deaths

Edited April 5, 2020 by billsfan1959

[Westside]

14 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I have posted an accurate timeline since the December 31, 2019, statement from the WHO of some "unusual pneumonia" case in China into March of 2020. I have posted it at least 5 times in this thread and challenged a number of posters to demonstrate at which point in January or February should Trump or any leader in the world, outside of China, understood the magnitude of what was about to happen - and why.

 

Not one single poster answered

 

Here is the timeline:

 

Timeline

- On December 31, China alerted the WHO to several cases of unusual pneumonia in Wuhan
- On January 7, the WHO reported that China had identified a new virus, named 2019-nCoV, and that it was identified as belonging to the coronavirus family, which includes SARS and the common cold.
- On Jan 11, China announced its first death from the virus released the genetic sequence. However, it was also accompanied with the information that they had only experienced 41 cases and that there was no obvious evidence of human-to-human spread yet. 
- By Jan 17, China had reported only 2 deaths and only two cases had been identified outside of China
- On Jan 20, First US case is reported
- On Jan 20, Trump forms coronavirus task force
- On January 23, The WHO reported that the outbreak did not yet constitute a public emergency of international concern and there was "no evidence" of the virus spreading between humans outside of China.
- On January 30, the WHO declared the virus a global emergency and reported the death toll in China at 170, with 7,711 cases.
- On Jan 31, President Trump bans foreign nationals from entering the US if they were in China within the prior two weeks.
- By Feb 3, new cases had been confirmed in at least 7 countries, including the US; however, there had been only 1 death reported outside of China. That was in the Phillipines and it was a man from Wuhan.
- By Feb 6, only 30 people in Europe had been identified with the virus and all had ties to China. This is also the date of the first identified human to human transmission of the virus in Malasia.
- On Feb 12, cases start to spike in South Korea
- Through the end of Feb, there had been 88,000 confirmed cases - but only 8000 confirmed cases outside of China. There were 2977 deaths - but only 142 outside of China
- Between Mar 1 - Mar 10 approx 35,000 new cases identified outside of China, and 1,319 deaths world-wide outside of China
- On Mar 11, the WHO officiallly declares a pandemic
- On Mar 11, President Trump bans all travel from 26 European countries for non-US citizens and non-green card holders
- By Mar 11, There were 32,000 confirmed cases and 1,400 deaths, world-wide, outside of China and South Korea - with both China and Korea reporting stabilazation of the virus.
- On Mar 13, Trump declares a US national emergency with 2,183 confirmed cases and 48 deaths

Thank you.  This is much better than mine. We must keep reposting this. 

Edited April 5, 2020 by westside2

[3rdnlng]

9 hours ago, B-Man said:

THINGS SEEM TO BE FALLING SHORT OF THE MODELS: 

 

“There are 15,905 people currently hospitalized. Cuomo said two-thirds of hospitalized patients have been discharged, and the total number of hospitalizations dipped yesterday.” 

 

The numbers in New York are bad, but don’t seem to be going as predicted.

 

Related:

 

 

If this holds up, it’s great news, except for the models.

 

 

 

Plus, Florida:

 

 

 

Well, NYC is dense and relies on public transport in a way no other US city does. In addition, it’s north and Florida is south — so if seasonality is going to slow down spread it’s going to hit NYC later.

 

Or these are artifacts of reporting problems and don’t mean anything. Stay tuned. If the Wuhan coronavirus were to turn out to be seasonal, that would be huge news, though of course the 1918 flu was seasonal and came roaring back in the fall.

 

But note that something similar happened with Ebola: “New Ebola cases in Liberia, where streets were littered with the dead just a few months ago, now number in the single digits, according to the World Health Organization. In neighboring Sierra Leone and Guinea, the other two nations in the Ebola hot zone, new cases have fallen sharply in the last month, dropping to fewer than 100 in a week at the end of January — a level not seen in the region since June. . . .

 

Experts are trying to understand how the disease, which has defied the ominous predictions of the world’s top infectious disease researchers, appears to be extinguishing itself with surprising swiftness. In September, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had projected that, by Jan. 20, the outbreak could reach 1.4 million cases in Liberia and Sierra Leone alone, but by that date only 21,797 were recorded in all three countries. While many have emphasized the enormous assistance hauled into the region by the United States and international organizations, there is strong evidence, especially here in Monrovia, that the biggest change came from the precautions taken by residents themselves.”

 

Perhaps people change behavior more swiftly than models take into account.

 

 

Meanwhile, there’s this, which I would like to be true: Covid-19: four fifths of cases are asymptomatic, China figures indicate. But that’s a much higher number than other figures I’ve seen.

 

 

Related: Estimates of the severity of coronavirus disease 2019: a model-based analysis.

 

All models are wrong; some models are useful.

 

UPDATE: From the comments: “I suspect we are seeing the impact of the much less strict voluntary measures that were taken well before the harsh lockdowns went into effect. It may turn out that washing hands was enough to stop this thing after all. Then again, maybe not. We are far from done with this and it will be about 30sec after it ends before everyone starts cherrypicking data to prove that their position was right all along.” Well, that last prediction is spot-on for sure.

 

 

ANOTHER UPDATE: How close are the latest Alabama coronavirus numbers to previous projections? “The total number of cases and deaths has fallen short of what was projected by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) at the University of Washington. IHME has sought to forecast, with advanced metrics, the amount of hospital beds needed to treat COVID-19 and the daily totals of deaths resulting from the virus.”

 

 

 

 

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Regarding Florida, I think we all looked at the packed beaches at spring break time and thought man, Florida's fvcked. Well, those kids partying on the beach by and large were not Florida residents but came from other parts of the country and they returned after a few days. The people who caught the virus from partying in Florida simply took it home with them and are in the statistics from whence they came. I would expect that the immense part of Florida's population that is older is doing a better job of prevention of catching the virus due to their natural propensity to follow orders and their fear of catching a death sentence. 

Edited April 5, 2020 by 3rdnlng

[GG]

7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

Yep.

 

BTW, I edited the post you quoted to add the timeline I referenced. I'll put it here so you don't have to go back:

 

- On December 31, China alerted the WHO to several cases of unusual pneumonia in Wuhan
- On January 7, the WHO reported that China had identified a new virus, named 2019-nCoV, and that it was identified as belonging to the coronavirus family, which includes SARS and the common cold.
- On Jan 11, China announced its first death from the virus released the genetic sequence. However, it was also accompanied with the information that they had only experienced 41 cases and that there was no obvious evidence of human-to-human spread yet. 
- By Jan 17, China had reported only 2 deaths and only two cases had been identified outside of China
- On Jan 20, First US case is reported
- On Jan 20, Trump forms coronavirus task force
- On January 23, The WHO reported that the outbreak did not yet constitute a public emergency of international concern and there was "no evidence" of the virus spreading between humans outside of China.
- On January 30, the WHO declared the virus a global emergency and reported the death toll in China at 170, with 7,711 cases.
- On Jan 31, President Trump bans foreign nationals from entering the US if they were in China within the prior two weeks.
- By Feb 3, new cases had been confirmed in at least 7 countries, including the US; however, there had been only 1 death reported outside of China. That was in the Phillipines and it was a man from Wuhan.
- By Feb 6, only 30 people in Europe had been identified with the virus and all had ties to China. This is also the date of the first identified human to human transmission of the virus in Malasia.
- On Feb 12, cases start to spike in South Korea
- Through the end of Feb, there had been 88,000 confirmed cases - but only 8000 confirmed cases outside of China. There were 2977 deaths - but only 142 outside of China
- Between Mar 1 - Mar 10 approx 35,000 new cases identified outside of China, and 1,319 deaths world-wide outside of China
- On Mar 11, the WHO officiallly declares a pandemic
- On Mar 11, President Trump bans all travel from 26 European countries for non-US citizens and non-green card holders
- By Mar 11, There were 32,000 confirmed cases and 1,400 deaths, world-wide, outside of China and South Korea - with both China and Korea reporting stabilazation of the virus.
- On Mar 13, Trump declares a US national emergency with 2,183 confirmed cases and 48 deaths

You're missing a very important entry from March 9, when a certain mayor didn't want to cancel St Patrick's Parade, and NYS case count was about 150.

 

https://www.silive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/mayor-says-nyc-has-no-plans-to-cancel-st-patricks-day-parade-as-ireland-cancels-dublins-parade-amid-coronavirus-fears.html

 

"The mayor emphasized Monday that the coronavirus is not a disease people can contract simply by being in a large open space."

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Narcissistic??? That's seriously all you got on Trump at this point?

 

He's an incompetent moron... and every time you post like this, I legitimately do question more and more just what your motivations might be

This article, which retraces the failures over the first 70 days of the coronavirus crisis, is based on 47 interviews with administration officials, public health experts, intelligence officers and others involved in fighting the pandemic. Many spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information and decisions.

 

...

 

 

The Trump administration received its first formal notification of the outbreak of the coronavirus in China on Jan. 3. Within days, U.S. spy agencies were signaling the seriousness of the threat to Trump by including a warning about the coronavirus — the first of many — in the President’s Daily Brief.

 

And yet, it took 70 days from that initial notification for Trump to treat the coronavirus not as a distant threat or harmless flu strain well under control, but as a lethal force that had outflanked America’s defenses and was poised to kill tens of thousands of citizens. That more-than-two-month stretch now stands as critical time that was squandered.

 

...

 

The most consequential failure involved a breakdown in efforts to develop a diagnostic test that could be mass produced and distributed across the United States, enabling agencies to map early outbreaks of the disease, and impose quarantine measures to contain them. At one point, a Food and Drug Administration official tore into lab officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, telling them their lapses in protocol, including concerns that the lab did not meet the criteria for sterile conditions, were so serious that the FDA would “shut you down” if the CDC were a commercial, rather than government, entity.

 

...

 

 

In mid-March, as Trump was rebranding himself a wartime president and belatedly urging the public to help slow the spread of the virus, Republican leaders were poring over grim polling data that suggested Trump was lulling his followers into a false sense of security in the face of a lethal threat.

 

The poll showed that far more Republicans than Democrats were being influenced by Trump’s dismissive depictions of the virus and the comparably scornful coverage on Fox News and other conservative networks. As a result, Republicans were in distressingly large numbers refusing to change travel plans, follow “social distancing” guidelines, stock up on supplies or otherwise take the coronavirus threat seriously.

 

...

 

The CDC learned of a cluster of cases in China on Dec. 31 and began developing reports for HHS on Jan. 1. But the most unambiguous warning that U.S. officials received about the coronavirus came Jan. 3, when Robert Redfield, the CDC director, received a call from a counterpart in China. The official told Redfield that a mysterious respiratory illness was spreading in Wuhan, a congested commercial city of 11 million people in the communist country’s interior

I think I might let you out of the bet just because I feel bad for you and I really and truly hope much of what you say is just the stubborn refusal to lose an argument rather than actually believing most of what you spew.

What’s changed for you, Transplant?   Since day one, when he was elected?  Did you allow yourself any pause for consideration of any
accomplishment(s)  by Team Trump since 2016?  Did you consider any actions by the opposition party...Adam Schiff, Pelosi, Schumer...Russia, Mueller vindication, SC nominee Kavanaugh and his treatment by his enemies, the Ukraine, harmful to his agenda?  Were  those actions undertaken for the good of Country, or political gain? 
 

On that note, where was the Washington Post on any of those issues?  On FBI malfeasance, on sources (anonymous or otherwise) inside and outside govt that pointed to early and obvious issues with FISA abuse, with exculpatory evidence withheld, and in general terms...any reporting pre-Mueller release that indicated that all wrongdoing that occurred with respect to the debacle had nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with those prosecuting the case?  
 

I’m thinking they were on the wrong side of that particular story from day one. They misread the tea leaves, apparently harvested intel from the wrong “anonymous sources”, and as a result came to the wrong conclusions.  The only question thereafter is “Were they incompetent, or complicit”?
 

Then again—you’re the WaPo guy, were  they nuts on with FBI abuses early on, by say mid-year 2016?  
 

 

 

Edited April 5, 2020 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[SoCal Deek]

It’s not complicated people: The problem is/was that by the time they shut down travel from China there were already literally tens of THOUSANDS of Chinese people spreading the virus all over America. They’d come into our airports on both coasts. That’s why it started in Washington State and NYC. The WHO and Trump’s Health Advisors blew it big time! It was already too late. (Next time....lets not trust China with anything.)

[ALF]

17 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I have posted an accurate timeline since the December 31, 2019, statement from the WHO of some "unusual pneumonia" case in China into March of 2020. I have posted it at least 5 times in this thread and challenged a number of posters to demonstrate at which point in January or February should Trump or any leader in the world, outside of China, understood the magnitude of what was about to happen - and why.

 

Not one single poster answered

 

 

It's still a shame that the States and FEMA did not have a larger supply of PPE and ventilators in stock .  The cost in lives and trauma to healthcare workers is terrible.  The cost to the economy is beyond belief already. 

[MILFHUNTER#518]

Interesting,  apparently it is shown to affect the brain as well.

 

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-04-03-zombie-apocalypse-coronavirus-alter-brain-function-aggressive.html

 

Even Fredo reported hallucinations, unfortunately this may make him even dumber than he already was...

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/490771-chris-cuomo-reveals-coronavirus-symptoms-fever-shivering-hallucinations

 

 

Edited April 5, 2020 by MILFHUNTER#518

[3rdnlng]

39 minutes ago, ALF said:

We didn’t have to have ventilator shortage — leaders chose not to prep for pandemic

 

It’s a little late. Several years ago, after learning that the Empire State’s stockpile of medical equipment had 16,000 fewer ventilators than the 18,000 New Yorkers would need in a severe pandemic, state public-health leaders came to a fork in the road.

 

They could have chosen to buy more ventilators to back up the supplies hospitals maintain. ­Instead, the health commissioner, Howard Zucker, assembled a task force for rationing the ventilators they already had.

 

In 2015, that task force came up with rules that will be imposed when ventilators run short. ­Patients assigned a red code will have highest access, and other ­patients will be assigned green, yellow or blue (the worst), ­depending on a “triage officer’s” decision.

In truth, a death officer. Let’s not sugar-coat it. It won’t be up to your own doctor.

 

https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/we-didnt-have-to-have-ventilator-shortage-leaders-chose-not-to-prep-for-pandemic/

 

https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/task_force/reports_publications/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf

 

Did Cuomo  ever explain why he didn't buy more ventilators after the 2015 NY report ?
 

No, and the MSM isn't asking. If it was Trump that had ***** up so badly it would be front page news for months. Adam Schiff would be wanting to impeach him and Chuck Schumer would be calling him the worst president ever. Back to the real world, the dems are looking at Cuomo to save their asses and rescue them from a Biden candidacy.  

[billsfan1959]

Just now, ALF said:

 

It's still a shame that the States and FEMA did not have a larger supply of PPE and ventilators in stock .  The cost in lives and trauma to healthcare workers is terrible.  The cost to the economy is beyond belief already. 

 

As far as the supply of PPE, I am with you. I wish we had a larger supply at both state and federal levels. However, there is plenty of blame to go around for that and it is pointless, for me, to go down that road. 

 

My stance on all of this (not directed at you) is that panic and blame do nothing but make a crisis worse. If people want to blame Trump, then, to be intellectually honest, they have to blame everyone on both sides - and every government around the world.

 

We all wish everyone was better prepared and we can ask all the questions we want once we get through this and prepare better for the next one. But I think people (on both sides, and at all levels) did what they thought was best based on a reasonable evaluation of the evidence.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

15 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

It’s not complicated people: The problem is/was that by the time they shut down travel from China there were already literally tens of THOUSANDS of Chinese people spreading the virus all over America. They’d come into our airports on both coasts. That’s why it started in Washington State and NYC. The WHO and Trump’s Health Advisors blew it big time! It was already too late. (Next time....lets not trust China with anything.)

 

Agreed let's not allow those people entrance into our country, either.

[3rdnlng]

42 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

Then a valid question for Trump to ask him

Trump can't ask him about it at this time because it would look like he was making excuses, even though Cuomo's failure to secure enough ventilators was totally under his purview. The press would attack Trump and accuse him of being political during this time of national emergency. 

[Chef Jim]

14 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

It's still a shame that the States and FEMA did not have a larger supply of PPE and ventilators in stock .  The cost in lives and trauma to healthcare workers is terrible.  The cost to the economy is beyond belief already. 

It’s the American way. In my line of work I am very familiar with the saving habits of people. We are not good at saving for a rainy day or our future. So many Americans live by the “I’ll worry about that when it happens” motto.  Why would the government be any different?  Actually they are the champions of “spend now worry about that later”.

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Agreed let's not allow those people entrance into our country, either.

I wouldn’t go that far but I find it fascinating to look back and see how we entered into a period in which Clinton, Bush, Obama, etc all promoted the idea that if we just started showing the Communist Chinese what a color TV looked like that they’d turn into a billion new little capitalists and we’d all live happily ever after. It didn’t work! The Communist government is as strong as ever but with way more money and thus influence over international organizations like the UN and it appears the WHO. Yet another failed nation building attempt brought to you by our friends in The DC Swamp! 

7 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Trump can't ask him about it at this time because it would look like he was making excuses, even though Cuomo's failure to secure enough ventilators was totally under his purview. The press would attack Trump and accuse him of being political during this time of national emergency. 

Ventilators do not cure this virus. Almost everyone on a ventilator DIES! 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

 

Then a valid question for Trump to ask him

Or, the media to cover as they rush to his coronation.

 

Thanks for this link btw, got through about 15 pages.  Horrible place to be, to have to put guidelines in place consider who lives and who dies. Some odd stuff in there, but really appreciate the link. 

[3rdnlng]

18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

 

Ventilators do not cure this virus. Almost everyone on a ventilator DIES! 

I know, I've heard this, specifically from Cuomo. Ventilators are a death sentence. So, his daily requests for more ventilators are only because he wants to kill more people? Maybe if we threw all the ventilators away we could stop this virus in its tracks! (-

Edited April 5, 2020 by 3rdnlng

[Chef Jim]

45 minutes ago, GG said:

You're missing a very important entry from March 9, when a certain mayor didn't want to cancel St Patrick's Parade, and NYS case count was about 150.

 

https://www.silive.com/coronavirus/2020/03/mayor-says-nyc-has-no-plans-to-cancel-st-patricks-day-parade-as-ireland-cancels-dublins-parade-amid-coronavirus-fears.html

 

"The mayor emphasized Monday that the coronavirus is not a disease people can contract simply by being in a large open space."

But that’s ok. He gets a pass because he’s a Democrat for some reason. Trump ***** up for downplaying this and Cuomo is now moved up to possibly be the Democrat nominee.  

[ALF]

18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

 

Ventilators do not cure this virus. Almost everyone on a ventilator DIES! 

 

I tried to do a little research , now I'm really depressed. 

 

Ventilators Are No Panacea For Critically Ill COVID-19 Patients

 

Most coronavirus patients who end up on ventilators go on to die, according to several small studies from the U.S., China and Europe.

 

The largest study so far to look at mortality among coronavirus patients on ventilators was done by the Intensive Care National Audit & Research Centre in London. It found that among 98 ventilated patients in the U.K., just 33 were discharged alive.

 

Also, the coronavirus often does a lot more damage to a person's lungs than pneumonia associated with the flu. "There is fluid and other toxic chemicals, cytokines we call them, raging throughout the lung tissue," she says.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/02/826105278/ventilators-are-no-panacea-for-critically-ill-covid-19-patients

[billsfan1959]

16 hours ago, Q-baby! said:

Interesting. ***** you guys are ball lickers! 

 

15 hours ago, Q-baby! said:

Yeah, probably should have just said ball lickers. 

 

15 hours ago, Q-baby! said:

One who licks balls. 

 

14 hours ago, Q-baby! said:

One who, no matter what Trump does, believes he did right, even when he is wrong. Blind faith.  
That is a ball licker.

 

13 hours ago, Q-baby! said:

I don’t care what ball lickers think of me. 

 

12 hours ago, Q-baby! said:

You are one of the ball lickers obviously. 

Glad you are ok with that! Ball licker for sure! 

 

You know, the interesting thing about repressed sexual urges, is that they always find a way to manifest themselves. The fact that yours are manifesting through projection of them onto others is probably a good thing, speaking strictly from a psychological perspective, as it lessens the likelihood of you attacking unsuspecting strangers and acting them out. 

[Foxx]

12 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Props to Bill Gates.

 

 

hmmm.... Bill Gates and vaccines. i'll need to think about that...

[3rdnlng]

9 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

You know, the interesting thing about repressed sexual urges, is that they always find a way to manifest themselves. The fact that yours are manifesting through projection of them onto others is probably a good thing, speaking strictly from a psychological perspective, as it lessens the likelihood of you attacking unsuspecting strangers and acting them out. 

Look at that posting schedule, every hour on the hour he thinks about licking balls. Maybe that's his new defense, stop that or I'll lick your balls!

Edited April 5, 2020 by 3rdnlng

[Nanker]

A Man For These Times. 
Ah hem. It is George Carlin live, so its NSFW. 

 

 

[3rdnlng]

Just now, Nanker said:

A Man For These Times. 
Ah hem. It is George Carlin live, so its NSFW. 

 

 

NSFW? Who's working?

[Nanker]

Could be little ones or parents hanging around. 

4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

NSFW? Who's working?

 

[SoCal Deek]

18 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

I know, I've heard this, specifically from Cuomo. Ventilators are a death sentence. So, his daily requests for more ventilators are only because he wants to kill more people? Maybe if we threw all the ventilators away we could stop this virus in its tracks! (-

I’m guessing you think that’s funny in some way. My point is that ventilators help people in their final hours and days but they are not intended as a cure. They do nothing to combat the infection. I’ve read that close to 90% of those on ventilators ultimately die in the hospital. 

[3rdnlng]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m guessing you think that’s funny in some way. My point is that ventilators help people in their final hours and days but they are not intended as a cure. They do nothing to combat the infection. I’ve read that close to 90% of those on ventilators ultimately die in the hospital. 

It was tongue-in-cheek. Just a few posts back Alph claimed that slightly more than a third of the people put on ventilators survive and go home. It seems like every day we get some report that a new response is showing promise. Maybe giving some patients who are on a ventilator a cocktail consisting of Hydroxychloroquine and zinc along with another ingredient or two will be what gets that mortality rate down to 1/2 or 2/3? Maybe it'll be something else. We will learn a lot and get through this though. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

53 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I wouldn’t go that far but I find it fascinating to look back and see how we entered into a period in which Clinton, Bush, Obama, etc all promoted the idea that if we just started showing the Communist Chinese what a color TV looked like that they’d turn into a billion new little capitalists and we’d all live happily ever after. It didn’t work! The Communist government is as strong as ever but with way more money and thus influence over international organizations like the UN and it appears the WHO. Yet another failed nation building attempt brought to you by our friends in The DC Swamp! 

Ventilators do not cure this virus. Almost everyone on a ventilator DIES! 

 

I would. I'd limit entry to this country for people from civilized countries. You know, where they don't eat bats or like to blow themselves up.

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

It was tongue-in-cheek. Just a few posts back Alph claimed that slightly more than a third of the people put on ventilators survive and go home. It seems like every day we get some report that a new response is showing promise. Maybe giving some patients who are on a ventilator a cocktail consisting of Hydroxychloroquine and zinc along with another ingredient or two will be what gets that mortality rate down to 1/2 or 2/3? Maybe it'll be something else. We will learn a lot and get through this though. 

Agreed. The key to all of this will be getting to an effective treatment that attacks the virus. Until then we’re really just playing modern health care’s version a prevent defense. It doesn’t work all that well in either football or pandemics. 

[ALF]

U.S. May Get More Ventilators But Run Out Of Medicine For COVID-19 Patients

 

This week, Vizient released data showing dramatic spikes in demand for sedatives, pain medications, paralytics, and other drugs that are crucial for patients who are on ventilators. According to Vizient's study, the rate at which those orders are filled is lagging far behind the demand.

 

One complicating factor: "Injectable drugs take a long time to make," Kistner says. "For instance, there's a 21-day sterility period needed for all injectable drugs. So it's not something simple that you can do overnight."

 

For a patient in acute respiratory distress, being put on a ventilator can be life-saving. It's also really unpleasant.

 

"It is deeply uncomfortable," says Dr. Alix Morse, a pulmonary and critical care physician at Sturdy Memorial Hospital in Attleboro, Mass.

Without those medications, Morse says, "Most people will reach for the [breathing] tube and try to grab it and pull it out. They may fight against having it in their mouth. And if they're working against a breathing machine it can actually damage their lungs."

 

"Most of drug manufacturing is on a just-in-time schedule," Fox says. "It's pretty rare for companies to have more than a three-month supply, six-month supply on hand. And with the [COVID-19] surge, we are going to just burn through that at an incredible rate. A three-month supply could go in a week."

 

https://www.kpbs.org/news/2020/apr/04/us-may-get-more-ventilators-but-run-out-of/

 

Just when I thought this virus couldn't scare me further I read this. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

10 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

Sorry for seriious. Heard maybe lyme from ticks. Still sucks. But not for sure it is possibility But for sure ticks are out have to be careful with them. A week ago someone got lyme from a tick..... They suck badly. There already out. But i'll keep everyone up to date.

I hope she recovers quickly and completely.

My uncle had to have the Lyme treatment last year. He's over 65. He's fine now.  (anecdotal, but the treatment works)

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

17 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m guessing you think that’s funny in some way. My point is that ventilators help people in their final hours and days but they are not intended as a cure. They do nothing to combat the infection. I’ve read that close to 90% of those on ventilators ultimately die in the hospital. 

 

...yet Big Fredo is demanding 30,000.......AND his approval rating is soaring........we in Upstate already know that we do NOT matter, but now the rest of the US should forget their own and cave to his grossly unprepared ineptitude?......4th term IS A LOCK....SMH................

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

 

Then a valid question for Trump to ask him

Watching the pressers, Trump has made mention of how some states were unprepared. He has mentioned that NYS had the opportunity to buy ventilators in 2015. He has qualified it several times with something like (paraphrased) I understand why not since we have never seen anything like this, but he has brought it up more than once.

For the most part, Trump has mentioned that we need to come together and stop playing politics. He has mentioned the good of the CA (Gavin Newsom) and WA (Jay Inslee) governors.   He even mentioned yesterday that Mayor de Blasio was appreciative of what the feds have done for NYC.

One day he praises Cuomo, and then Cuomo says something *****, the next day he isn't praising Cuomo. Makes me wonder what type of personal relationship these two had before Trump was elected (or if it all comes down to Cuomo playing games with Trump's NYS taxes?)

 

[Foxx]

7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Narcissistic??? That's seriously all you got on Trump at this point?

 

He's an incompetent moron... and every time you post like this, I legitimately do question more and more just what your motivations might be

...

so, your logic is based upon a rag that has had it in for Trump since before day one. uses 'unnamed sources' for much of it's conjecture, of which a good many are from, and i use this term lightly, the intelligence community. of whom has also been trying to commit a soft coup of the highest office in the land, that has been found to be corrupt beyond any semblance of any definition of corruption. 

 

i do believe your critical thinking skills are in need of a severe overhaul. get out of that echo chamber you reside in.

Edited April 5, 2020 by Foxx

[Chef Jim]

35 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

NSFW? Who's working?

Me. Busier than ever. I worked yesterday and going into the office today.