The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

As been saying. Really don't like Nancy Pelosi.

Edited March 30, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[whatdrought]

40 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

There, FIFY.

 

BTW: I'm pretty sure I wouldn't go back into a building that was on fire, no matter what the fireman said.

You have a promising future awaiting you on the CNN editorial board. Apply within. 

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

Trump started fighting this virus with more vigor than the WHO and much earlier. The WHO was still stating that the virus couldn't be passed between humans when Trump closed our borders for travel to and from China. Your bolded statement above is an outright lie. How or why would anyone believe anything that you post? You don't even link anything to your stupid speculation. 

 

You're wasting your time with a person whose ONLY interest in this pandemic is to push false narratives so he can point and blame. It's his sole reason for posting here.

 

 

You'd have a deeper conversation with Q-tip at this point.

 

1 hour ago, Taro T said:

The WHO also was still criticizing him for cancelling flights from China nearly a week after he'd done so

 

Now, now. There is no time for facts when there is still time to push false stories to cast blame! After all, the country is eyeballs deep in a pandemic, and don't you agree that the first and only thing you should be doing is finding a Republican to blame?

[TPS]

1 hour ago, GG said:

 

The first reported case doesn't matter as much as stopping the further spread (ie Washington State)  Mass had an "exponential" growth rate heading into the weekend.

The site I use is Johns Hopkins.  Currently, both NY and MA are exponential, but NY's weekly growth  rate is less than MA's, which makes NY's doubling time about 3.3 days and MA''s just over 2.  However, the most recent (3/29) daily change was about the same for both states, but I wouldn't suggest that's a trend yet...

Edited March 30, 2020 by TPS

[Q-baby!]

26 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

You're wasting your time with a person whose ONLY interest in this pandemic is to push false narratives so he can point and blame. It's his sole reason for posting here.

 

 

You'd have a deeper conversation with Q-tip at this point.

 

 

Now, now. There is no time for facts when there is still time to push false stories to cast blame! After all, the country is eyeballs deep in a pandemic, and don't you agree that the first and only thing you should be doing is finding a Republican to blame?

It’s very much under control. The stock market is looking very good to me! 
 

Was that Matt Hasselback who said that?

Edited March 30, 2020 by Q-baby!

[billsfan1959]

2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

BE PROUD of this man!!

 

Mr. Trump Reportedly Wants to Make Sure His Signature Is on the Coronavirus Stimulus Checks.   Why is that? 

• IF it is a direct Deposit .... no one will see a signature

 

Mr. Trump said while 100,000 is "a horrible number," if the U.S. can keep its death toll to "100,000, so we have between 100,000 and 200,000, we altogether have done a very good job."

 

In what reality would a death toll of 100,000 ever be considered  'a very good job'?

 

Even  worst case of 200K.   Nearly a quarter of a million deaths in the US of A is 'a very good job'?

 

Spain, France, Belgium, Italy, Germany, and the UK make up approximately the same population as the United States

 

They are, collectively, at 318,000 cases and 23,000 deaths, with a death rate (based on confirmed cases) of 7.23%

 

The United States is at 143,000 cases and 2, 572 deaths, with a death rate (based on confirmed cases) of 1.74%

 

Yeah, I think the US is doing a pretty good job right now

[B-Man]

 

 

 

THIS IS JUST ONE OF MANY WAYS THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN A PANTLOAD OF FAIL IN THIS CRISIS: 

 

Why Taiwan has become a problem for WHO. 

 

“Taiwan is seen as one of the few places in the world which has successfully stemmed the spread of the coronavirus without resorting to draconian measures. But despite its efforts, it is still effectively locked out of membership in the World Health Organization (WHO) due to its complex relationship with China.”

 

 

It’s not Taiwan’s relationship with China that’s the problem. Here and elsewhere, the problem is WHO’s relationship to China, which is basically a captive one.

 

 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

13 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

THIS IS JUST ONE OF MANY WAYS THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION HAS BEEN A PANTLOAD OF FAIL IN THIS CRISIS: 

 

Why Taiwan has become a problem for WHO. 

 

“Taiwan is seen as one of the few places in the world which has successfully stemmed the spread of the coronavirus without resorting to draconian measures. But despite its efforts, it is still effectively locked out of membership in the World Health Organization (WHO) due to its complex relationship with China.”

 

 

It’s not Taiwan’s relationship with China that’s the problem. Here and elsewhere, the problem is WHO’s relationship to China, which is basically a captive one.

 

 

 

WHO and CCP .Both are corrupt. Have respect for Taiwan. 

[Foxx]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

 

WHO and CCP .Both are corrupt. Have respect for Taiwan. 

i don't know that Taiwan is anything to the West but a tool for their aims.

[FreddieJizzle22]

After reading a decent portion of this thread, maybe we should all socially distance ourselves from each other.  

[B-Man]

 

How Bad Regulation, Bureaucracy Slowed The Fight Against Deadly Wuhan Coronavirus

Issues & Insights, by The Editorial Board

 

Original Article

 

Amid all the political name-calling and finger-pointing over who’s to blame and how to attack the Wuhan coronavirus, one thing surprisingly gets little mention at all: regulation. But bad regulation not only slowed our response, it likely added to our death count. We’re happy to note that in recent days and weeks, President Trump has helped ease the regulatory burden of our response to the coronavirus, pushing Health and Human Services, the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control, our main health agencies, to bend, suspend and in some cases upend useless rules.

 

 

 

 

 

 

KRUISER’S MORNING BRIEF: Bloated Bureaucracy Is Going to Have a Coronavirus Body Count. 

 

 

“Trump is basically in the position of an NFL quarterback who’s being blamed for two decades of management and franchise failures that preceded him.”

 

 

 

 

 

ADDED:

Apparently today's DNC phrase of the day, for some unfathomable reason is "Trump U. "     ?

 

[Bob in Mich]

24 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Spain, France, Belgium, Italy, Germany, and the UK make up approximately the same population as the United States

 

They are, collectively, at 318,000 cases and 23,000 deaths, with a death rate (based on confirmed cases) of 7.23%

 

The United States is at 143,000 cases and 2, 572 deaths, with a death rate (based on confirmed cases) of 1.74%

 

Yeah, I think the US is doing a pretty good job right now

 

You likely know this but just in case.....those European countries are ahead of us as far as the breakout timeline.  It ramped up there much sooner

 

The death rate grows over a few percent after the local health systems are overwhelmed.  That has happened in Italy and Spain and has yet to happen in the USA.  When it does happen here, and it will in the hot spots soon, our death rates will rise considerably.

 

We have not done a very good job here.  Open your eyes.  Seeing those countries ahead of us should have jump started our preparations.  Instead, our leaders squandered that time worrying about appearances.  Now, it is too late in some areas and many will die who wouldn't have if we had used our preparation time more wisely.

 

[3rdnlng]

14 minutes ago, FreddieJizzle22 said:

After reading a decent portion of this thread, maybe we should all socially distance ourselves from each other.  

Please do.

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

You likely know this but just in case.....those European countries are ahead of us as far as the breakout timeline.  It ramped up there much sooner

 

The death rate grows over a few percent after the local health systems are overwhelmed.  That has happened in Italy and Spain and has yet to happen in the USA.  When it does happen here, and it will in the hot spots soon, our death rates will rise considerably.

 

We have not done a very good job here.  Open your eyes.  Seeing those countries ahead of us should have jump started our preparations.  Instead, our leaders squandered that time worrying about appearances.  Now, it is too late in some areas and many will die who wouldn't have if we had used our preparation time more wisely.

 

 

I am well aware of the fact they are ahead of us. Whether or not, you want to admit it, the travel bans and measures put in place have contributed to the delay of the spread here. That delay has allowed us to take measures to increase to manufacturing of needed medical supplies, erection of temporary hospitals, and other steps neccessary to prevent our medical systems from being overwhelmed to the point you are seeing in other countries.

 

Why don't you quit complaining and pointing fingers. It isn't helpful to anyone.

[Westside]

9 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

You likely know this but just in case.....those European countries are ahead of us as far as the breakout timeline.  It ramped up there much sooner

 

The death rate grows over a few percent after the local health systems are overwhelmed.  That has happened in Italy and Spain and has yet to happen in the USA.  When it does happen here, and it will in the hot spots soon, our death rates will rise considerably.

 

We have not done a very good job here.  Open your eyes.  Seeing those countries ahead of us should have jump started our preparations.  Instead, our leaders squandered that time worrying about appearances.  Now, it is too late in some areas and many will die who wouldn't have if we had used our preparation time more wisely.

 

Good Lord Bob, just give it up. You're a puppet with a pull string. You pull your own string and repeat the same BS every time.

 

 

[3rdnlng]

7 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

You likely know this but just in case.....those European countries are ahead of us as far as the breakout timeline.  It ramped up there much sooner

 

The death rate grows over a few percent after the local health systems are overwhelmed.  That has happened in Italy and Spain and has yet to happen in the USA.  When it does happen here, and it will in the hot spots soon, our death rates will rise considerably.

 

We have not done a very good job here.  Open your eyes.  Seeing those countries ahead of us should have jump started our preparations.  Instead, our leaders squandered that time worrying about appearances.  Now, it is too late in some areas and many will die who wouldn't have if we had used our preparation time more wisely.

 

I heard that by imbibing in pot one might temporarily gain false memories. Who closed down travelers to and from China when the WHO was still claiming coronavirus was not able to be transmitted from human to human? Who was first to exclude South Korea? Italy? Europe? 

[Foxx]

25 minutes ago, FreddieJizzle22 said:

After reading a decent portion of this thread, maybe we should all socially distance ourselves from each other.  

just stay 6 posts away from me and we'll be alright.

[mannc]

24 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

You likely know this but just in case.....those European countries are ahead of us as far as the breakout timeline.  

 

 

How do you know this?  I see this repeated as a truism in the media, but I’m not aware of any actual evidence to support it.  It’s more of a perception, really.  The US is a huge a diverse country and it’s impossible to accurately generalize about whether the country as a whole is behind some European countries or not.

 

In many states the rates of death and hospitalization are stable or even declining, and it is unlikely that their health care systems will ever be overwhelmed, an outcome you seem to assume is inevitable.

Edited March 30, 2020 by mannc

[TPS]

Hmmm...Birx now predicting 100-200K deaths, so why are they inciting fear now?  Fake news?  Inflating the expectations so they can tout success when they're lower? So many questions...

[Deranged Rhino]

3 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

You are better than that.

Narrator: “Gary wasn’t better than that.”

[TPS]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

How do you know this?  I see this repeated as a truism in the media, but I’m not aware of any actual evidence to support it.  It’s more of a perception, really.  The US is a huge a diverse country and it’s impossible to accurately generalize about whether the country is behind Europe or not.

 

In many states the rates of death and hospitalization are stable or even declining, and it is unlikely that their health care systems will ever be overwhelmed, an outcome you seem to assume is inevitable.

Maybe he looks at data?  According to the Johns Hopkins site, using "days since 100 cases," Italy is on day 35, the US is on day 25, 10 days behind.

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, TPS said:

Hmmm...Birx now predicting 100-200K deaths, so why are they inciting fear now?  Fake news?  Inflating the expectations so they can tout success when they're lower? So many questions...

You need to sit back and take your bias out of the equation here. You have put yourself in a position of being somewhat or fully against everything the Trump administration does. You used to be considered as a reasonable liberal. Now you are closer to Tiberius than Doc Brown.

[mannc]

Just now, TPS said:

Maybe he looks at data?  According to the Johns Hopkins site, using "days since 100 cases," Italy is on day 35, the US is on day 25, 10 days behind.

As discussed previously in this thread, the “number of cases” metric is essentially worthless.  On a national basis, it is really nothing more than a function of how extensive testing is at any given time.  You can’t seriously contend that there is any point in time where we knew how many infections there were in the entire US, or in Italy, for that matter.

[3rdnlng]

3 minutes ago, TPS said:

Maybe he looks at data?  According to the Johns Hopkins site, using "days since 100 cases," Italy is on day 35, the US is on day 25, 10 days behind.

That would be accurate if they were running on the same racetrack.

[B-Man]

Signs Emerging That Seattle Has Flattened The Curve

I remember a researcher who’s tracking the genomes of strains in the Seattle area saying earlier this month, “January 1 in Wuhan was March 1 in Seattle.” Washington state could experience the same disaster that China did, he said — if nothing was done urgently to mitigate the disease’s spread. But something was done. Seattle was among the first places in the U.S. to encourage stringent social distancing.

 

Result: Wuhan had to be locked down on January 23 in an urgent attempt to stop the virus’s spread. Whereas Seattle is now 29 days removed from March 1 and the contagion has slowed, based on the available (and incomplete) evidence. Hospitals there aren’t overrun. There’s no Wuhan scenario brewing for the moment. And there might not be one if people there continue to hunker down this month.

 

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2020/03/30/signs-emerging-seattle-flattened-curve/

 

 

 

 

Those Plastic Bag Bans Aren’t Looking So Good Right Now

https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/03/30/plastic-bag-bans-arent-looking-good-right-now/

 

 

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[Pine Barrens Mafia]

15 minutes ago, TPS said:

Hmmm...Birx now predicting 100-200K deaths, so why are they inciting fear now?  Fake news?  Inflating the expectations so they can tout success when they're lower? So many questions...

 

You're an ass. With a hat on it.

 

[Bob in Mich]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I am well aware of the fact they are ahead of us. Whether or not, you want to admit it, the travel bans and measures put in place have contributed to the delay of the spread here. That delay has allowed us to take measures to increase to manufacturing of needed medical supplies, erection of temporary hospitals, and other steps neccessary to prevent our medical systems from being overwhelmed to the point you are seeing in other countries.

 

Why don't you quit complaining and pointing fingers. It isn't helpful to anyone.

 

How is it helpful to claim we have done a good job when we actually haven't?   Yes, we are going as fast as possible now.  That should have happened weeks earlier though.  You can choose to ignore those poor decisions if you wish. 

 

I have tried to be helpful throughout, unlike those that chose to ignore the experts and the math and chose to minimize the severity of this situation.  How helpful was it a few weeks back to imply this was all being overblown?   I am glad I didn't encourage anyone to take this lightly.  Were you one of those science deniers on this issue?

 

 

 

29 minutes ago, westside2 said:

Good Lord Bob, just give it up. You're a puppet with a pull string. You pull your own string and repeat the same BS every time.

 

 

 

Sorry you don't like my postings and my warnings on this crisis.  Put me on ignore but first, please point out my posts that have been off base so we can discuss.  I think I began posting in this thread around 3/12. 

[Warren Zevon]

21 minutes ago, TPS said:

Hmmm...Birx now predicting 100-200K deaths, so why are they inciting fear now?  Fake news?  Inflating the expectations so they can tout success when they're lower? So many questions...

 

I would like to note what was once "the Democrat Hoax" (reporting on scientific models in February) is now Dr. Birx's position.

 

Bob is also right on as usual.

[B-Man]

 

 

[Bob in Mich]

On 3/15/2020 at 8:42 AM, Bob in Mich said:

The worst case projections are if we do not get control of the outbreak.  Taking precautions and slowing the group transmission rate will lower the most dire death prediction numbers....hopefully. 

 

The logic behind 'flattening the curve' seems to make a lot of sense.  If we can keep the need for the most scarce resources (like breathing machines) spread out over time, we can keep more people alive.  The eventual number of infections might be the same either way but if the requirement for the ventilators doesn't exceed available machines, those that need them to live will be able to get them.

 

Those calling for extra caution really can never 'win'.  They are currently looked at as like Chicken Little, and so foolish.  If generally speaking, slowdown measures are not followed, worst case scenarios could play out and lots of folks perish.  If folks listen to the warnings and take slowdown measures, less people will die and the Chicken Littles will be criticized later for scaring everyone when, 'look, only x thousands died'.

 

Want to discuss this post? What was wrong in this post?

[Deranged Rhino]

Brutal: 

 

People like Bob get their news from her, and wonder why they're so badly misinformed. 

 

[Warren Zevon]

[Deranged Rhino]

This goes here as well: 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

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30 more days will never hold. 

 

It'll get violent before then. We've freely given up our rights to help the cause -- that won't last. People will test the limits and then authorities will have a real decision to make. 

Edited March 30, 2020 by Deranged Rhino

[Foxx]

31 minutes ago, mannc said:

As discussed previously in this thread, the “number of cases” metric is essentially worthless.  On a national basis, it is really nothing more than a function of how extensive testing is at any given time.  You can’t seriously contend that there is any point in time where we knew how many infections there were in the entire US, or in Italy, for that matter.

there is an equation that can get a pretty accurate guesstimate for total cases, both diagnosed and not. this is how they arrive at the seasonal flu numbers. however, those factors are not readily known and at best, would be wildly unreliable at the '100 cases' level.

[B-Man]

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[mannc]

Just now, Foxx said:

there is an equation that can get a pretty accurate guesstimate for total cases, both diagnosed and not. this is how they arrive at the seasonal flu numbers. however, those factors are not readily known and at best, would be wildly unreliable at the '100 cases' level.

Given how little is known about CV19, as opposed to the flu, those “total case” numbers really are guesswork at this point.  That’s why there is so little agreement on the “mortality rate”, as well; it’s impossible to say what the mortality rate is when we don’t have a handle on the actual number of infections.

[Deranged Rhino]