The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[billsfan1959]

2 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

 

It's not odd to me at all.  It's precisely why DeWine was proactive and closed down  public gatherings.  It's early enough with few enough people infected.

I don't know where the 100k number comes from, and it's an estimate, it doesn't sound right to me but there's all kinds of info and misinfo out there.

 

It came straight from DeWine

 

He also said they believed that numer was going to double every 6 days - which means there should be about 150,000 by now. That doesn't really reconcile with the death rates being reported or your statement that hospitals are not seeing an influx of COVID-19 patients.

 

If there are 150,000 + people walking around Ohio with only five "confirmed" cases and no deaths, then either they are spreading disinformation (which only serves to make people panic even more) or it's not as deadly as they are portraying. They cannot have it both ways.

Edited March 15, 2020 by billsfan1959

[Bob in Mich]

The worst case projections are if we do not get control of the outbreak.  Taking precautions and slowing the group transmission rate will lower the most dire death prediction numbers....hopefully. 

 

The logic behind 'flattening the curve' seems to make a lot of sense.  If we can keep the need for the most scarce resources (like breathing machines) spread out over time, we can keep more people alive.  The eventual number of infections might be the same either way but if the requirement for the ventilators doesn't exceed available machines, those that need them to live will be able to get them.

 

Those calling for extra caution really can never 'win'.  They are currently looked at as like Chicken Little, and so foolish.  If generally speaking, slowdown measures are not followed, worst case scenarios could play out and lots of folks perish.  If folks listen to the warnings and take slowdown measures, less people will die and the Chicken Littles will be criticized later for scaring everyone when, 'look, only x thousands died'.

Edited March 15, 2020 by Bob in Mich

[whatdrought]

8 hours ago, DC Tom said:

Note: this is not a nuclear war.  It is not a zombie apocalypse.  Basic services, particularly those pushed to your house, are very unlikely to be disrupted.  Such as water.  You will have tap water.  If your water service is disrupted, you will have warning, and you will have many other, greater problems to deal with before your water service stops.

 

So for God's sake, you ***** morons, you will not run out of tap water, so DO NOT KILL PEOPLE OVER BOTTLED WATER. 

 

 

Yep. Wife and I went and stocked up on food and basic household stuff. Didn’t bother with the water. If it affects our every day it will be cause we can’t leave the house, not cause there’s no water and electricity. 

[ALF]

42 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

It came straight from DeWine

 

He also said they believed that numer was going to double every 6 days - which means there should be about 150,000 by now. That doesn't really reconcile with the death rates being reported or your statement that hospitals are not seeing an influx of COVID-19 patients.

 

If there are 150,000 + people walking around Ohio with only five "confirmed" cases and no deaths, then either they are spreading disinformation (which only serves to make people panic even more) or it's not as deadly as they are portraying. They cannot have it both ways.

 

I would think that 100,000 is for the entire country

[billsfan1959]

7 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

I would think that 100,000 is for the entire country

 

Nope. That was just for Ohio. From News 5 in Cleveland 3 days ago:

 

"We know now, just the fact of community spread says that at least 1%, at the very least 1% of our population is carrying this virus in Ohio today," said Dr. Amy Acton, Director of ODH. "We have 11.7 million people."

 

"Whenever you know of 2 people that have it due to community spread, then you can assume that 1% of your population has it," said ODH Press Secretary Melanie Amato, citing a 2017 Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report from the CDC.

 

"According to the Governor Mike DeWine’s Office and the ODH, cases are expected to double every six days."

 

Yet, Ohio only has 5 confirmed cases and no deaths...

Edited March 15, 2020 by billsfan1959

[TPS]

3 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

I would think that 100,000 is for the entire country

Yes, that's what he means.  It's found by extrapolating data for countries that have done significant testing and China, which has gone through it.  As I've been saying, as we ramp up testing, we will actually start seeing the extent it has reached the population here.  We've waited to long to shut things down...

2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Nope. That was just for Ohio. From News 5 in Cleveland 3 days ago:

 

"We know now, just the fact of community spread says that at least 1%, at the very least 1% of our population is carrying this virus in Ohio today," said Dr. Amy Acton, Director of ODH. "We have 11.7 million people."

 

"Whenever you know of 2 people that have it due to community spread, then you can assume that 1% of your population has it," said ODH Press Secretary Melanie Amato, citing a 2017 Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report from the CDC.

 

"According to the Governor Mike DeWine’s Office and the ODH, cases are expected to double every six days."

Hmmm...I'll try to find that tweet then. Thanks.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

28 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Nope. That was just for Ohio. From News 5 in Cleveland 3 days ago:

 

"We know now, just the fact of community spread says that at least 1%, at the very least 1% of our population is carrying this virus in Ohio today," said Dr. Amy Acton, Director of ODH. "We have 11.7 million people."

 

"Whenever you know of 2 people that have it due to community spread, then you can assume that 1% of your population has it," said ODH Press Secretary Melanie Amato, citing a 2017 Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report from the CDC.

 

"According to the Governor Mike DeWine’s Office and the ODH, cases are expected to double every six days."

 

Yet, Ohio only has 5 confirmed cases and no deaths...

 

....arbitrarily state 100,000 are infected in Ohio when there 162,000 confirmed cases WORLDWIDE?........reckless, irresponsible fear mongering IMO...............

[meazza]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...the infection and mortality rates are similar to the annual flu season......however, there is some "peace of mind" knowing that flu vaccine is available annually even though it is effective for certain strains only....

As far as I can tell, the flu doesn’t cause overcrowding of hospitals to this extent.

 

 

[TPS]

Yep, something definitely off with his numbers. I read estimate from WA state #s was to multiply deaths by 800 to get # of cases, but of course there's a range. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

10 minutes ago, meazza said:

As far as I can tell, the flu doesn’t cause overcrowding of hospitals to this extent.

 

 

 

..according to CDC, stats for 2017-2018 flu season in US.............

 

ILLNESSES:     45 million

HOSPITALIZATIONS:     810,000

DEATHS:    61,000

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

9 hours ago, DC Tom said:

Note: this is not a nuclear war.  It is not a zombie apocalypse.  Basic services, particularly those pushed to your house, are very unlikely to be disrupted.  Such as water.  You will have tap water.  If your water service is disrupted, you will have warning, and you will have many other, greater problems to deal with before your water service stops.

 

So for God's sake, you ***** morons, you will not run out of tap water, so DO NOT KILL PEOPLE OVER BOTTLED WATER. 

 

 

Now we know who has all the water.  It’s DC Negan. 

[GG]

9 hours ago, DC Tom said:

Note: this is not a nuclear war.  It is not a zombie apocalypse.  Basic services, particularly those pushed to your house, are very unlikely to be disrupted.  Such as water.  You will have tap water.  If your water service is disrupted, you will have warning, and you will have many other, greater problems to deal with before your water service stops.

 

So for God's sake, you ***** morons, you will not run out of tap water, so DO NOT KILL PEOPLE OVER BOTTLED WATER. 

 

 

 

And yet there were also plenty of Brita and Pur filters AND containers in all the stores.  Idiots.

[Foxx]

 

4 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

...The steps that have been taken are in hopes of avoiding a total shut down of the country where everyone is stuck at home 30-40 days.

 aren't we pretty much there right now?

[Nanker]

47 minutes ago, meazza said:

As far as I can tell, the flu doesn’t cause overcrowding of hospitals to this extent.

 

 

We don’t freak out and panic because of the flu. This is different. We’ve been told we’re all gonna die by the media's expert reporting. 
 

Edited March 15, 2020 by Nanker

[Chef Jim]

5 minutes ago, GG said:

 

And yet there were also plenty of Brita and Pur filters AND containers in all the stores.  Idiots.

 

Yup. Idiots indeed.   There was a couple of people at work talking about stocking up on water.  I said "I have these real cool things at home.  It's call a water faucet and a Brita"

 

I have not gone shopping yet.  We always go after the gym on Sunday.  I'm not having this thing change my routine as best I can.  I stopped at the store just out of curiosity yesterday. They were out of a few things.  Like potatoes and onions.  The thing they were out of that really hurt was bananas.  I have one every day at work for my mid-morning snack and love them.  ?

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1182389.shtml

 

The novel coronavirus may cause testicular damage and male infertility, Chinese experts found, suggesting infected men who want to have children or maintain the quality of their sex life take tests for ***** quality and hormone levels.

For those with a history of COVID-19 infection, especially men with fertility needs, it is best to carry out inspections after recovery, according to an expert team led by Li Yufeng, a professor from the Center for Reproductive Medicine of Tongji Medical College in Wuhan, Central China's Hubei Province.

 

As well as the lungs, many other organs of the human body, such as the testes, small intestine, kidney, heart, and thyroid are affected by the ACE2, the team said. 

 

Although no research has confirmed that novel coronavirus damages the testes and affects male fertility, it is highly similar to the SARS virus and these infections invade the same cell receptor, namely ACE2. The SARS virus infection can cause severe immune damage to the testes, causing orchitis and dysfunction of some reproductive-related cells.

 

This is awful if more research on this.

[Foxx]

14 hours ago, CoudyBills said:

Absolutely.  My kids were super pissed about school closing, until they were told it would not cost them any time at the lake house this summer.  

aren't there a required minimum number of days?

 

6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Yup. Idiots indeed.   There was a couple of people at work talking about stocking up on water.  I said "I have these real cool things at home.  It's call a water faucet and a Brita"...

and/or you know... maybe just do things the old fashioned way and boil your friggin' water if your that worried about foreign bodies in it.. 

Edited March 15, 2020 by Foxx

[Chef Jim]

The worst thing about this whole Coronavirus thing?  It's brought out "self-exiled" posters like DC Tom, row_33 and meazza.  ?

[row_33]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....arbitrarily state 100,000 are infected in Ohio when there 162,000 confirmed cases WORLDWIDE?........reckless, irresponsible fear mongering IMO...............

we had 60 million infected 10 years ago without this contrived panic

 

 

[ALF]

Coronavirus: Isolation for over-70s 'within weeks'

 

Every Briton over the age of 70 will be told "within the coming weeks" to stay at home for an extended period to shield them from coronavirus, Health Secretary Matt Hancock has said.

 

He told the BBC the advice will not come into force just yet but when it does it will last "a very long time".

Wartime-like measures will ask car makers to produce medical equipment and turn hotels into hospitals, he said.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51895873

 

yikes