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"The Mad Bomber" Lamonica weighs in on JA17

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I've got a great story about the original Mad Bomber.  I grew up in the NYC metro area.  Even though the Mad Bomber was caught in 1957 a lot of people in the area were still afraid of bombs years later.  One of them was my mother.  In 1959 my parents bought their 1st house, moving from an apt. in the Bronx to a house in Long Island.  I was a 5 year old kid & was home one morning after we 1st moved in and one of their friends was on his way to work and in a hurry.  He rang the bell, I answered & handed me a little gift wrapped box & said "give this to your mother" and left.  I went to my mother & told her some man dropped the box off and told her what he said.  I didn't recognize him as one of their friends. My mother's 1st thoughts went to the mad bomber (I don't know if she knew he was captured in 1957) and she called the police & they came over to check out the box.  When they opened it they found a little figurine with a note congratulating them on their new homeownership.  

If you never heard of the Mad Bomber who terrorized NY, here's a link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Metesky

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1 hour ago, WhoTom said:

Tom always feels the need to clarify things.

Agreed.  Generally he brands everyone an idiot.  (Think back to the Seinfeld scene when Costanza is asking Steinbrenner “Why would George steal from the Yankees?”)

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Daryl was one of our great players. 

 

Trading him was one of the premier bone head moves Buffalo ever made!   We got Tom Flores & Art Powell.  I know Tom & Art who???  That old Pirate Al Davis is probably still smiling about that.  Ralph was cheap 50+ years ago too!

1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:

I've got a great story about the original Mad Bomber.  I grew up in the NYC metro area.  Even though the Mad Bomber was caught in 1957 a lot of people in the area were still afraid of bombs years later.  One of them was my mother.  In 1959 my parents bought their 1st house, moving from an apt. in the Bronx to a house in Long Island.  I was a 5 year old kid & was home one morning after we 1st moved in and one of their friends was on his way to work and in a hurry.  He rang the bell, I answered & handed me a little gift wrapped box & said "give this to your mother" and left.  I went to my mother & told her some man dropped the box off and told her what he said.  I didn't recognize him as one of their friends. My mother's 1st thoughts went to the mad bomber (I don't know if she knew he was captured in 1957) and she called the police & they came over to check out the box.  When they opened it they found a little figurine with a note congratulating them on their new homeownership.  

If you never heard of the Mad Bomber who terrorized NY, here's a link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Metesky

You don't find nice neighbors like that anymore.  Did your Mom have a laugh about that?

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2 hours ago, Ned Flanders said:

“I talked to Ralph Wilson the night before and he told me, ‘You’re going to come back and be our starting quarterback,’ ” Lamonica says. “And eight hours later I was traded. I was absolutely devastated.”

 

Yet another example, Ralph is cheap.

Hahahahah Ralph made OJ the highest paid player in the NFL, made Jim Kelly the highest paid NFL player. 

 

The early 90s teams were called the million dollar bills... The early 2000s Ralph made Derrick dockery the highest paid guard in NFL history

 

Few years later made Mario Williams the highest paid defensive player in NFL history

 

And he kept the Bills here for like 50 years...

 

That's the most ignorant opinion ever and Ralph IS THE BUFFALO BILLS

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Remember when the team used to inexplicably cut useful players right before the season started to save money even when the cap was not an issue?

 

Ralph sucked and the Bills were a joke because of him.

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5 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

Remember when the team used to inexplicably cut useful players right before the season started to save money even when the cap was not an issue?

 

Ralph sucked and the Bills were a joke because of him.

Root for a different team because he's the only reason we have a team

 

Remember when he built a team that won back to back afl championships?

 

You're post is a joke

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That was one of the early QB controversies.  Daryl & Jack Kemp.  Who should start, who should finish, who's better, etc. etc.  A lot of very animated bar conversation out of that.

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4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Root for a different team because he's the only reason we have a team

 

Remember when he built a team that won back to back afl championships?

 

You're a joke

1. I love the Bills

 

2. No I don't remember that, too long ago

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4 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

1. I love the Bills

 

2. No I don't remember that, too long ago

Well it happened. And he spent tons of money trying to make us good

 

Sometimes you need luck more than skill

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@2020 Our Year For Sure

 

1) Won 2 AFL championships

2) made OJ highest paid NFL player

3) Made Jim highest paid NFL player

4) 90s Bills were called million dollar bills

5) Derrick Dockery became Highest paid NFL guard

6) Mario Williams became Highest paid defender in league history

7) Gave Dareus 100 million dollars

😎 HoF owner

 

None of that equals cheap or not trying.. it's called he spent money on the wrong people

 

Made OJ the highest paid in the 70s, Jim in the 80s , Mario Highest paid defender when he signed..  he always threw around money just not at the right people

 

Literally HE IS THE BILLS

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2 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

This thread is not about Lamonica. It is about his opinion of Allen

 

 

Link is to a story about Lamonica which includes his opinion of Allen.

 

OP was 50% about Lamonica nickname and OP later expanded on it.

 

I guess you should tell a mod that the title is misleading you.:flirt:

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45 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

That's the most ignorant opinion ever and Ralph IS THE BUFFALO BILLS

 

 

Gotta disagree.................Bills fans ARE THE BILLS.

 

Now more than ever.

 

The Buffalo Bills fanbase was born in the 1940's..........Ralph came from Detroit in 1959,  opened up shop to feed the demand,  took the name and managed them mercurially for 5 + decades.

 

Ralph deserves a lot of credit and earned at least as much scorn.

 

First rule of management..........running a losing franchise is your fault.

 

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4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So when does the statute of limitations on Bills mistakes by FO personnel who are no longer with them run out?

When they leave the Bills? 

When they pass on? 

Never?

Never

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5 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Never

 

All righty then, thank you for clearing that up.  In that case, should definitely never have traded Lamonica.

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5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

All righty then, thank you for clearing that up.  In that case, should definitely never have traded Lamonica.

Or the pick used to draft Mahomes. 

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1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

@2020 Our Year For Sure

 

1) Won 2 AFL championships

2) made OJ highest paid NFL player

3) Made Jim highest paid NFL player

4) 90s Bills were called million dollar bills

5) Derrick Dockery became Highest paid NFL guard

6) Mario Williams became Highest paid defender in league history

7) Gave Dareus 100 million dollars

😎 HoF owner

 

None of that equals cheap or not trying.. it's called he spent money on the wrong people

 

Made OJ the highest paid in the 70s, Jim in the 80s , Mario Highest paid defender when he signed..  he always threw around money just not at the right people

 

Literally HE IS THE BILLS

           It seems forgotten that he bailed out the Raiders in the early years of the AFL.

 

https://www.silverandblackpride.com/2014/3/25/5547182/oakland-raiders-wouldnt-exist-without-ralph-wilson

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3 minutes ago, Greybeard said:

           It seems forgotten that he bailed out the Raiders in the early years of the AFL.

 

 

And the Patriots I believe as well.

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40 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Or the pick used to draft Mahomes. 

 

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2 hours ago, Marv's Neighbor said:

 

You don't find nice neighbors like that anymore.  Did your Mom have a laugh about that?

I have great neighbors.  When I was away Thanksgiving week we had almost 2 feet of snow and my next door neighbor cleared my driveway & walkway.  He also had done that when I was sick in the winter of 2017-18 and couldn't clean my driveway until March 2018.  

 

My mother told that story the rest of her life and laughed about it, although at the time she was pretty mad at me for not getting their friend's name. 

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2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Hahahahah Ralph made OJ the highest paid player in the NFL, made Jim Kelly the highest paid NFL player. 

 

The early 90s teams were called the million dollar bills... The early 2000s Ralph made Derrick dockery the highest paid guard in NFL history

 

Few years later made Mario Williams the highest paid defensive player in NFL history

 

And he kept the Bills here for like 50 years...

 

That's the most ignorant opinion ever and Ralph IS THE BUFFALO BILLS

Come on man!  Sure you can be grateful to Ralph for keeping the team in Buffalo, but to deny he was a little tight with his money and did some very strange things as owner is just selective memory.

 

For most of the Bills 1st 30 years Ralph was cheap and the typical cycle was the team was bad, attendance suffered, Ralph saw all the empty seats and decided he had to spend money, the team got to be pretty good, Ralph alienated the person most responsible for the team being good, the alienated guy left, the team got bad again and attendance suffered, Ralph realized he had to spend $ and hired new people, the team got good again-rinse & repeat.  

These are some of the things Ralph did in those 1st 30 years and then some afterwards: 

 

In the 1960s there was the whole debacle where Ralph neutered John Rauch to the point Rauch quit in preseason.  

 

OJ held out before signing that rich contract.  Ralph had little choice but to pay OJ, who was the face of the franchise.

 

The Bills became the 1st & only team in NFL history to lose a bidding war for the services of the #1 overall pick in the NFL draft to the CFL when Tom Cousineau signed with Montreal.  This led to Chuck Knox being pretty angry and was the 1st thing that led to Knox's leaving after the 1982 season.   

 

Ralph never had success with head coaches in their 1st head coaching job.  That's because he was too cheap and for years had coaches at the bottom of the NFL's coaching pay scale.  Either the coach was a retread in need of a job or was a guy he could get away paying peanuts to.  The exceptions were when the team got really bad and nobody was going to the games, then he'd spend $ for a guy like Chuck Knox.  He had a lot of cheap coaches over the years.  He got lucky when he hired Polian who was close to Levy, but even Levy originally came at a discounted price.  

 

When the USFL was around, he lost his starting RB Joe Cribbs and Jim Kelly because he was outbid.  He only made Kelly the highest paid QB because he had to either sign Kelly or stare at 40,000 empty seats on Sundays.  The Bills lost 3 years of Kelly's career because of Ralphs miserly ways.  

 

Even after the success that the 1990s Bills had, he fired Bill Polian, the unquestioned greatest GM in Bills history, because Polian didn't want to have to listen to "scout" Linda Bogdan, Ralph's daughter.  

 

Hiring Marv Levy & Buddy Nix as GMs: come on man!  

 

Yes Ralph did a lot of good, but his cheap & meddling ways led to a lot of seasons where the Bills were the NFL's laughingstock, especially in the 1st 30 years of the franchise.   I'm sure if I wanted to go through the Bills history I could find a lot more examples than the few I listed.  If you have the time get a copy of Relentless and read through it & then come back and tell us that Ralph wasn't cheap & didn't meddle far too much.  

 

 

 

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Just now, Albany,n.y. said:

Come on man!  Sure you can be grateful to Ralph for keeping the team in Buffalo, but to deny he was a little tight with his money and did some very strange things as owner is just selective memory.

 

For most of the Bills 1st 30 years Ralph was cheap and the typical cycle was the team was bad, attendance suffered, Ralph saw all the empty seats and decided he had to spend money, the team got to be pretty good, Ralph alienated the person most responsible for the team being good, the alienated guy left, the team got bad again and attendance suffered, Ralph realized he had to spend $ and hired new people, the team got good again-rinse & repeat.  

These are some of the things Ralph did in those 1st 30 years and then some afterwards: 

 

In the 1960s there was the whole debacle where Ralph neutered John Rauch to the point Rauch quit in preseason.  

 

OJ held out before signing that rich contract.  Ralph had little choice but to pay OJ, who was the face of the franchise.

 

The Bills became the 1st & only team in NFL history to lose a bidding war for the services of the #1 overall pick in the NFL draft to the CFL when Tom Cousineau signed with Montreal.  This led to Chuck Knox being pretty angry and was the 1st thing that led to Knox's leaving after the 1982 season.   

 

Ralph never had success with head coaches in their 1st head coaching job.  That's because he was too cheap and for years had coaches at the bottom of the NFL's coaching pay scale.  Either the coach was a retread in need of a job or was a guy he could get away paying peanuts to.  The exceptions were when the team got really bad and nobody was going to the games, then he'd spend $ for a guy like Chuck Knox.  He had a lot of cheap coaches over the years.  He got lucky when he hired Polian who was close to Levy, but even Levy originally came at a discounted price.  

 

When the USFL was around, he lost his starting RB Joe Cribbs and Jim Kelly because he was outbid.  He only made Kelly the highest paid QB because he had to either sign Kelly or stare at 40,000 empty seats on Sundays.  The Bills lost 3 years of Kelly's career because of Ralphs miserly ways.  

 

Even after the success that the 1990s Bills had, he fired Bill Polian, the unquestioned greatest GM in Bills history, because Polian didn't want to have to listen to "scout" Linda Bogdan, Ralph's daughter.  

 

Hiring Marv Levy & Buddy Nix as GMs: come on man!  

 

Yes Ralph did a lot of good, but his cheap & meddling ways led to a lot of seasons where the Bills were the NFL's laughingstock, especially in the 1st 30 years of the franchise.   I'm sure if I wanted to go through the Bills history I could find a lot more examples than the few I listed.  If you have the time get a copy of Relentless and read through it & then come back and tell us that Ralph wasn't cheap & didn't meddle far too much.  

 

 

 

No I don't agree and continuing to throw the word cheap around when he kept the team here is classless

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1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

No I don't agree and continuing to throw the word cheap around when he kept the team here is classless

No it's not.  Ralph was cheap and to deny it is revisionist history-class has nothing to do with stating historical facts.  You really need to get that copy of Relentless to see the many things he did that resulted in many losing seasons.  

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10 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

No it's not.  Ralph was cheap and to deny it is revisionist history-class has nothing to do with stating historical facts.  You really need to get that copy of Relentless to see the many things he did that resulted in many losing seasons.  

He could've sold us years ago and there would be no Bills

 

Ralph wasn't a perfect owner but I made plenty of valid points in earlier posts

 

I'm not arguing this point anymore because your bashing a dead man who loved my city

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