2018 QB Redraft. - PFF Says Allen should have went as the 4th QB

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This is wrong but I’m not surprised from the website that believes Duck Hodges is the better player. 

 

...maybe we should wait until year 2 and/or 3 until we crown Lamar the next "Brady + +"..............not a chance he could be the next RG II 1/8 or Kaep that DC's figured out.....

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

10 minutes ago, Jasovon said:

Having stopped throwing picks and become very accurate as well as winning games, PFF are now using 300 yard games to show Allen is no good. 

 

I have lost all respect for them this year 

 

They should say he’s averaging just over 200 yards/game. 

[SCBills]

I don’t really know many Bills fans who would rather have Baker or Sam... 

 

I know, read, hear a lot of Browns and Jets fans who would rather have Allen.  
 

That’s really all that matters.  Not some analytic site that determined Duck Hodges was the best QB in the Steelers/Bills game. 

[Wayne Arnold]

1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:

We fired Roman in-season.  It's funny how the OC is always the most unpopular guy in Buffalo, yet a few have left & found success elsewhere (and even a Super Bowl ring like Kevin "Killdrive") .  

 

1 hour ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

He did take a long time to get plays to the huddle but his offense was good. Funny how we scored 30 something points that game and the defense gave up more so we fired the OC.

 

“We” didn’t fire Roman. Rex Ryan did because the two of them couldn’t get along.

 

Roman’s offense was the only thing keeping the team’s head above water. Maybe Rex was jealous/threatened.

29 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

I'm not listening to the singer from Warrant discussing football

 

She’d be pretty if she waxed her upper lip.

[whatdrought]

1 hour ago, matter2003 said:

 

This is the problem with relying solely on analytics/grading each play and not actually watching what happens in the game in its entirety. with being worthless *****. 

 

 

Fixed it for ya.

 

PFF uses stats for part of what they do, then they get into subjective grey matter that is complete and utter bullshite and is full of their opinion. They do this from a place of arrogance and idiocy that fully encapsulates the millennial mind in sports analysis. 

[Kirby Jackson]

22 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...maybe we should wait until year 2 and/or 3 until we crown Lamar the next "Brady + +"..............not a chance he could be the next RG II 1/8 or Kaep that DC's figured out.....

He’s a runaway MVP. We should give him the respect that he deserves. He should be 1 and it shouldn’t be close.

[Billsfan1972]

How dare they mentioned 300 yards in their assessment. You want to make a bill's fan see red mention throwing for 300 yards

[H2o]

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-re-drafting-the-2018-quarterback-class

 

4. JOSH ALLEN

Unlike some others on this list, Allen has seen his arrow point decidedly upward from year one to year two, and he's deservedly moved up our rankings over the past two seasons. His underneath and intermediate accuracy has seen a considerable bump year on year. Only 7.9% of his passes that were targeted 1-19 yards downfield were charted as perfectly placed last season, but this year, that number is 20.4% — higher than anyone else in the 2018 quarterback class. His accuracy, combined with his playmaking ability with his legs, has been a massive value-add to the Bills' offense — especially in the red zone.

The worrisome thing is that Allen has still never been able to truly open up the offense as a passer. In 26 career starts, he’s never had a single 300-yard passing game. A big reason why is the lack of big plays, as his deep-ball accuracy has been all over the place this season. Despite his improved play, Allen has fewer big-time throws this year (13) than he did even a year ago (17), and the former ranks 26th among all quarterbacks in the NFL this year. He’s only completed 26.9% of his targets 20-plus yards downfield — the fourth-worst in the NFL — and that’s the opposite of what you’d expect for a player with that kind of arm strength.

 

 

PFF employees on the way to work.

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

Not a surprise, but who cares ? The early haters dig their heels in. They will continue to shade Allen until he hoists the Lombardi. 

Can't wait till that day.

 

Will be beautiful to tear 'em up.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

47 minutes ago, Chemical said:

You think he catches mono regardless of what city he’s in? 

 

(thinking about it)  Yes

 

16 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

How dare they mentioned 300 yards in their assessment. You want to make a bill's fan see red mention throwing for 300 yards

 

Hmmmmmmmm

[CorkScrewHill]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think this is fair. The problem is that you are drafting guys on what they will/can be not what they are today. That’s why Josh went in the top 10. 2 years in there is no reason to believe that the future of Baker or Darnold is brighter than that of Josh. Talent evaluators would absolutely roll the dice on the upside of Josh at this point before more established players.

I think the best way to look at this is would a QB needy team willingly give up a top 5 pick in the draft for these QBs. Lamar - yes, Josh Allen - yes, Darnold probably, Baker - someone might but his lack of maturity two years in would give pause ... Rosen and Rudolph ... maybe a 4th or a 5th rounder. I look at what coaches and players say and don’t say about a player...Josh’s teammates talk about him being a future superstar ... 

Edited December 24, 2019 by CorkScrewHill

[John Adams]

2 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said:

I think the best way to look at this is would a QB needy team willingly give up a top 5 pick for these QBs. Lamar - yes, Josh Allen - yes, Darnold probably, Baker - someone might but his lack of maturity two years in would give pause ... Rosen and Rudolph ... maybe a 4th or a 5th. I look at what coaches and players say and don’t say about a player...Josh’s teammates talk about him being a future superstar ... 

 

Baker is getting a 1st for sure. 

 

Baker is probably more highly thought of than Josh by most people. 

 

As far as the underlined, do you expect them to say he sucks? 

Edited December 24, 2019 by John Adams

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Mayfield had a legitimately excellent rookie season. He has had a down year this season, but it's way too soon to tell. The coaching situation there is a complete sh*tshow, so I'd hold off on drawing any grand conclusions yet.

 

 

And yet you have no problems with grand conclusions here, odd.

 

[dave mcbride]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

And yet you have no problems with grand conclusions here, odd.

 

I don't know what your point is or even what you're referring to. I haven't drawn *any* grand conclusions about *any* of these players. Why the hostility anyway? What's the point of that?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

I don't know what your point is or even what you're referring to. I haven't drawn *any* grand conclusions about *any* of these players. Why the hostility anyway? What's the point of that?

 

Why the hostility? Lotta stupid takes on Allen around these parts.

 

A LOT of stupid takes. If you're not one that has them, then you have my apologies.

 

[dave mcbride]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Why the hostility? Lotta stupid takes on Allen around these parts.

 

A LOT of stupid takes. If you're not one that has them, then you have my apologies.

 

??? I *like* Allen. I criticize certain aspects of his game, for sure, but I believe he can improve and certainly has the talent to do so. He's only 23! 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

??? I *like* Allen. I criticize certain aspects of his game, for sure, but I believe he can improve and certainly has the talent to do so. He's only 23! 

That's where I'm at, mostly.

 

Young kid, IMPROVING kid.

 

And yet, there's MASSIVE hostility among fans toward him.

[dave mcbride]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

That's where I'm at, mostly.

 

Young kid, IMPROVING kid.

 

And yet, there's MASSIVE hostility among fans toward him.

Lotta stupid people out there, but most Bills fans seem to love him and are hoping for the best. 

[CorkScrewHill]

4 minutes ago, John Adams said:

 

Baker is getting a 1st for sure. 

 

Baker is probably more highly thought of than Josh by most people. 

 

As far as the underlined, do you expect them to say he sucks? 

I do not expect them to say he sucks ... but they do not say the generic things .. they go out of their way to discuss his future greatness. I did not see that with Rosen in either of his locals and saw that withBaker last year .. but not this year. I think you are misunderstanding what I stated. I was referring to giving up a top 5 pick in the draft .. I agree you could get a first for Baker ..but not necessarily one of the top 5 picks.

 

Btw - for those of you have not taken a vow of celibacy as it relates to PFF ... they have a really good and I think fair analysis of the Bills offense here. Definitely worth a read. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-how-the-buffalo-bills-built-a-winning-offense

[JoPoy88]

Disagree with their placement - Allen would the 2nd 2018 QB in my mind, not 4th (or 3rd if you still have faith in Mayfield I suppose.) But I do think their evaluation in the OP’s post is fair enough. Credit is given (as it should be) to Allen’s underneath and intermediate accuracy. The problem remains his accuracy on long passes.