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The Impeachment Trial of President Donald J. Trump


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1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

So now it’s OK when a politician tells us that God told him to do something? I seem to recall when that sort of rhetoric was laughed at by the those on the Left. I really wish they’d get it straight. I’m exhausted from trying to keep up with their new found but constantly shifting moral high ground.

They swore an oath, does that even mean anything? Seems like a joke to a lot of the so-called faithful 

46 minutes ago, whatdrought said:


Do Geese See God?

We don't, why should they? 

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1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Bi-Partisan support for impeachment 

 

Trump was acquitted with similar numbers to Clinton.  Both were a waste of time because the alleged offenses didn't rise to treason, bribery or other high crimes.  In Trump's case he didn't illegally obstruct anything and he did not receive an investigation in exchange for foreign aid AND the investigation discussed with Ukraine has merit. 

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8 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Trump was acquitted with similar numbers to Clinton.  Both were a waste of time because the alleged offenses didn't rise to treason, bribery or other high crimes.  In Trump's case he didn't illegally obstruct anything and he did not receive an investigation in exchange for foreign aid AND the investigation discussed with Ukraine has merit. 

He tried, though. And as Romney said, that was an appalling abuse of power. 

 

You guys will come around to seeing how bad what he did once once the partisan passions around the issue cool. I mean can you imagine how much dirt would be thrown on you here if you agreed with Romney? 

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11 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

....they can't make your hair grow back.

 

Off topic, my wife just went through 2 years of chemo, radiation and target drug treatment for her cancer and her hair is not growing back the way it was previously.

 

.....just saying.

 

...sorry to hear that news my friend......sure hope she beats it.....as Jimmy V said, "don't give up...don't ever give up"......stay strong...thoughts and prayers to both of you...…….

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14 hours ago, Gary Busey said:

Is Romney really the first member of an impeached president's party to vote to convict?

That does not seem right to me. A. Johnson was a War Democrat but he was in Republican Lincoln's administartion and was impeached by the Radical Republicans. So wasn't he a Republican impeached by Republicans? Or is he considered a Democrat? I dunno 

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This effort was doomed to fail from the beginning — for better or for worse — and they pushed for it anyway, as though they actually believed they would get what they wanted. And now they act shocked and appalled by the inevitable outcome of all this.

 

 

 
 
 
 
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1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

They swore an oath, does that even mean anything? Seems like a joke to a lot of the so-called faithful 

We don't, why should they? 

They swore an oath to defend the constitution. The God part is the baseline upon which to measure that oath. 

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1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

They swore an oath to defend the constitution. The God part is the baseline upon which to measure that oath. 

Trump swore to faithfully execute the laws, he violated his oath. So...impeachment.

 

Do I have to explain the law thing? 

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i am a bit perplexed here.

 

i don't see very many people, or anyone at all really talking about just how low the standard has just been established by the House Democrats. i mean, we just had a case brought to the United States Senate that was based entirely upon hearsay and conjecture. the only factual evidence in play was the transcript and it clearly shows there was no quid pro quo there. the rest was merely an attempt at mind reading and trying to paint a computer picture that looks okay from a distance but as anyone with a brain knows, the closer you get to it, the shittier it looks.

 

what the House Dems did is a travesty to justice, political, criminal or civil. the Repubs are almost as culpable, the proper course of action would have been to laugh at it and throw it out of court by dismissing it with prejudice. 

 

perhaps our human rights are the ones that took the biggest blow in all this.

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1 minute ago, Foxx said:

this should be good.

 

go!

Jan 16, 2020 - Updated at 6:20 p.m. ET. A federal watchdog concluded that President Trump broke the law when he froze assistance funds for Ukraine last ...
 
 
And....3....2....1.....FAKE NEWS!!!! 
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4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:
Jan 16, 2020 - Updated at 6:20 p.m. ET. A federal watchdog concluded that President Trump broke the law when he froze assistance funds for Ukraine last ...
 
 
And....3....2....1.....FAKE NEWS!!!! 

you didn't cite law.

 

the very first line of your article, "A federal watchdog concluded".

 

this is why you libs are so ***** in the head, you don't understand fact from emotion.

 

try again, Shirley.

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2 minutes ago, Foxx said:

you didn't cite law.

 

the very first line of your article, "A federal watchdog concluded".

 

this is why you libs are so ***** in the head, you don't understand fact from emotion.

 

try again, Shirley.


You expect anything less from people who live their lives hating someone 24/7/365?

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1 minute ago, Foxx said:

you didn't cite law.

 

the very first line of your article, "A federal watchdog concluded".

 

this is why you libs are so ***** in the head, you don't understand fact from emotion.

 

try again, Shirley.

Lol, those are not liberals, they are a federal watch dog organization. The law was the one passed by Congress and Trump did not "faithfully execute" the law he was entrusted to carry out. That law was the aid to Ukraine. 

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Lol, those are not liberals, they are a federal watch dog organization. The law was the one passed by Congress and Trump did not "faithfully execute" the law he was entrusted to carry out. That law was the aid to Ukraine. 

 

 

 

 

Cite the ****ing law!

And you better read the damn thing too, because I can show you in it too how the OMB HAS to document that the money is being used for what it is given for!

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Just now, Cinga said:

Cite the ****ing law!

And you better read the damn thing too, because I can show you in it too how the OMB HAS money is being used for what it is given for.

Sure, we all know that when they got caught, they released the money. That's not a defense at all. 

 

Why are you guys going to such lengths to obfuscate this? Are your lives so tied to this guy that you will sell your souls? 

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9 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Lol, those are not liberals, they are a federal watch dog organization. The law was the one passed by Congress and Trump did not "faithfully execute" the law he was entrusted to carry out. That law was the aid to Ukraine. 

bing, bang, zoom... right over your  head willis.

 

the lib i was referring to was you.

 

geesus, pull your head out yer ass and get a *****in' clue.

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Sure, we all know that when they got caught, they released the money. That's not a defense at all. 

 

Why are you guys going to such lengths to obfuscate this? Are your lives so tied to this guy that you will sell your souls? 

idiot, they released the aid before the end of the fiscal year as was required by law. you can say whatever you want, the fact remains what the actual facts on the ground are.

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1 minute ago, Foxx said:

bing, bang, zoom... right over your  head willis.

 

the lib i was referring to was you.

 

geesus, pull your head out yer ass and get a *****in' clue.

 

You took all that time just to have a little primal scream? lol 

 

As time goes on, you will admit that what he did was wrong and impeachable. Partisan feelings run high 

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Just now, Tiberius said:

You took all that time just to have a little primal scream? lol 

 

As time goes on, you will admit that what he did was wrong and impeachable. Partisan feelings run high 

yeah, you got no response as to what the actual law is because your too dumb to understand it, let alone be able to find it and copy/paste it here.

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1 minute ago, Foxx said:

yeah, you got no response as to what the actual law is because your too dumb to understand it, let alone be able to find it and copy/paste it here.

I explained that, you ignored it. The aid was a law, it was legislation that was not carried out as intended. 

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7 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Sure, we all know that when they got caught, they released the money. That's not a defense at all. 

 

Why are you guys going to such lengths to obfuscate this? Are your lives so tied to this guy that you will sell your souls? 

You're the one claiming he broke the law dipshchiff... So tell us which law!

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21 hours ago, Foxx said:

i disagree with the statement, "... the worst any coup claimant should make, was that many were duped ...". please explain your rational behind this statement. i would argue that they are complicit. unwittingly, but all the same, complicit. because you and your ilk have chosen to swallow the propaganda narrative, hook, line and sinker without asking simple questions that would have easily exposed the false narrative. you have put this nation in the position it finds itself today. i understand that that is a huge statement, but i stand by it. as citizens of this great nation, we have an obligation to keep it. the only way one is going to keep it, is by informing themselves. period.

 

your argument against obstruction of justice has a hole as large as a Mack truck in it. you can posit any argument you like on what may have been being looked into and that Trump been guilty of, the inevitable, inescapable conclusion here is.... he wasn't guilty of anything.

 

you still believe that the propaganda presstitutes have been telling you the truth for the last 3 + years? there is no response from me if you still believe this other than my main argument, you have swallowed the narrative, hook, line and sinker. i believe, from reading your posts, that you do not, nor will you seek out information sources outside of the main stream narrative. having this in mind, i understand why you think as you do. you'll have to understand my position with regard to your position. that being, you only have one source of information and refuse to look deeper so there is nothing i, nor anyone else  is going to say that will get you to change your MSM fed understanding. where you, i and a good many others here differ, is that those of us who believe that there was an attempted coup on a duly elected President of the United States, seek information from a great many sources. included in that information seek, we consider MSM narratives because there is always information wrapped in disinformation. having become adept at seeking out various news sources, we have learned to sift the wheat from the chaff. there are ways to read MSM articles and omit the narratives many of them attempt to paint.

 

just to delve a bit further into this... logic should dictate that not all news sources would come to the same conclusion if objectivity ruled the day. when you tune into many different MSM news sources  and they all, and i mean all parrot the same talking points, doesn't that strike you as someone having an agenda?

 

additionally, let's say for the sake of argument that Mueller was justified in his investigation (which he wasn't) the fact that it dragged on for the length of time it did was a sham. they knew there was no there there not long after the investigation was opened. a reasonable argument can be made that they dragged it out to benefit the Dems in the '18 election. 

 

the main reason many people hate Trump is because of the narrative from the Dems and the propaganda presstitutes. again, be honest with yourself here.... do you seriusly think that if Trump was a Democrat they wouldn't be singing his praises to the high heavens? one thing the Democrats can't escape is Trump's record of accomplishments. hate him all you like but if you take a look at what he has done, he has done more with less support than any lifelong politician. why do you think that is?

 

ETA: please read my post again. i did not say you, specifically were ignoring Ominstration possible misconduct. it was a generality. if the shoe fits, then wear it. if not, don't.

Thanks for the discussion.  I just wanted to be a decent poster and reply to your efforts.  Since the issue I was posting on has concluded with Trump's acquittal, I will likely post less.  But, we all post for a variety of reasons so we will see what happens.  I am sure we will discuss something sometime.

 

Certainly we disagree and I think your reasoning is quite suspect, but I will not go point by point addressing this time.  I wanted to say that I appreciate that the insult level has come down.  I think that helped the conversation a lot.

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40 minutes ago, Hedge said:

 

 

 

 

"We caught them in the acts. Dirty cops."

"FISA courts should be ashamed of themselves."

"They knew in 2 days we were innocent, but they kept it going forever."

 

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