The Impeachment Trial of President Donald J. Trump

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Geez, I thought the Schumer/Lev Parnas thing would be the silliest thing today................wrong

 

 

 

 

Imagine walking into your office and being confronted by a sheet cake. A free sheet cake. You’d be quaking in your boots and questioning your decisions, wouldn’t you? Well, wouldn’t you???

 

 

 

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The only thing more fearful would be to see James Taylor sitting next to the cake. 

[Warren Zevon]

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

11 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

Please list 5 things your president has done well as your president.  

 

Lets see ..

1. The Promise: "We’ve got to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt. ... Well, I would say over a period of eight years. 
   The U.S. budget deficit is slated to soar above $1 trillion this year and could soar to $1.3 trillion per year for the next decade, according to a congressional report released on Tuesday
2. Daytime visits to golf clubs since inauguration, with evidence of playing golf on at least 113 visits. Cost to Taxpayer: About $124,000,000

3. Build a wall, and make Mexico pay for it  LMAO on that one Failure

4. Auto Workers - We are going to bring back the automobile in the state of Michigan bigger, and better, and stronger than ever before.  Failure 

5. We will save and protect your Social Security and Medicare. He's proposed cutting benefits 

6. Denuclearize North Korea again LMAO on that one. Failure Not even close to any agreements or improvements 

7. Iran Deal - Failure again Not even close to any agreements or improvements 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[B-Man]

 

[CoudyBills]

3 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

Lets see ..

1. The Promise: "We’ve got to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt. ... Well, I would say over a period of eight years. 
   The U.S. budget deficit is slated to soar above $1 trillion this year and could soar to $1.3 trillion per year for the next decade, according to a congressional report released on Tuesday
2. Daytime visits to golf clubs since inauguration, with evidence of playing golf on at least 113 visits. Cost to Taxpayer: About $124,000,000

3. Build a wall, and make Mexico pay for it  LMAO on that one Failure

4. Auto Workers - We are going to bring back the automobile in the state of Michigan bigger, and better, and stronger than ever before.  Failure 

5. We will save and protect your Social Security and Medicare. He's proposed cutting benefits 

6. Denuclearize North Korea again LMAO on that one. Failure Not even close to any agreements or improvements 

7. Iran Deal - Failure again Not even close to any agreements or improvements 

I said 5 things done well.  A rational human could pick out 5.  You are a hack.  

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

Oh the sea of humanity.

[Bob in Mich]

2 hours ago, Foxx said:

he hasn't done a good job? Bob, on what ***** planet do you reside? he has kept over 30 campaign promises. when is the last time any president has kept even 5 campaign promises?

 

Simple case example....I say I will crap on your rug, pee in your kitchen sink, and then spit at you.  Next time at your place (lol) I do all I said. 

 

Would you approve of what I had done?  Overly simplistic but I hope you see why one could disapprove of kept promises.

Edited January 29, 2020 by Bob in Mich

[Koko78]

42 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Geez, I thought the Schumer/Lev Parnas thing would be the silliest thing today................wrong

 

 

 

Imagine walking into your office and being confronted by a sheet cake. A free sheet cake. You’d be quaking in your boots and questioning your decisions, wouldn’t you? Well, wouldn’t you???

 

I'm diabetic and have no self control when it comes to sugar. I'd be terrified. Then I'd quickly get over the terror, realize that I can spare one of my two legs, take some frosting, and quickly pass the cake on to someone else, because I don't like sheet cake.

 

Edit: I don't like sheet cake, and I detest sprinkles.

Edited January 29, 2020 by Koko78

[IDBillzFan]

42 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Imagine walking into your office and being confronted by a sheet cake. A free sheet cake. You’d be quaking in your boots and questioning your decisions, wouldn’t you? Well, wouldn’t you???.

 

I'd start by having a Democrat take the first bite. 

[3rdnlng]

22 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Simple case example....I say I will crap on your rug, pee in your kitchen sink, and then spit at you.  Next time at your place (lol) I do all I said. 

 

Would you approve of what I had done?  Overly simplistic but I hope you see why one could disapprove of kept promises.

What you fail to understand time after time is that the country voted for those promises that he has kept. 

Schiff:

 

Asking to have an investigation announced is equal to having them commit to it. 

[GG]

25 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Simple case example....I say I will crap on your rug, pee in your kitchen sink, and then spit at you.  Next time at your place (lol) I do all I said. 

 

Would you approve of what I had done?  Overly simplistic but I hope you see why one could disapprove of kept promises.

 

What was the initial promise?  What if it was a cure for stage 4 cancer?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

Kind of like the Benghazi investigations and the search for 300 missing emails, 

 

A huge waste of time '

Benghazi resulted from the deaths of American citizens on the watch of a Presidential candidate, involving his Secty of State and heir apparent, and involved a made up tale of spontaneous demonstrations and Korans in toilets.  The lie was calculated to provide maximum cover and plausible deniability to the admin specifically to influence the vote, and would result in an investigation 100% of the time.

 

It was a #### up on a massive scale.  It did not lead to articles of impeachment.  Unlike the Russia hoax, the CIA was not weaponized, foreign intelligence was not created out of thin air, the FISA court was not flim-flammed, and the media was not used to bludgeon the candidate with mindless allegations of treason. 

 

Other than that, yeah, sure. 

[Bob in Mich]

6 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Fair question.  No, I don't find it odd.  I think many politicians enjoy the status quo, enjoy the prestige if being in power, operate in their own self-interest first and in the interests of their constituents when the heavy lifting is kept to a minimum. I also think President Trump works best in an environment akin to Thunderdome, and on top of that, he certainly can be a first rate douche to boot. 

 

Willard Romney began to lose my respect when he revealed himself to be weak and unprepared against the Obama/Dem/media assault team.  He was unable to deliver the conservative (even middle of the road moderate message points) against an admin that badly managed a crisis where an ambassador and other Americans were left to die, then created a fictional narrative that was designed to influence the outcome of the election.  (I never blamed Obama for screwing up Benghazi and losing people--that happens--but the cover-up and lie thereafter were unforgivable and makes this little Ukraine issue look like a day at Chuckie Cheese.)   Romney was weak, allowed allowed himself to be cuckholded and four more years of Barry from the Block followed. 

 

Move forward to the Trump years.  Willard tries to jockey for secretary of state, in spite of his harsh words about Trump, and fails to get the job.  Politics make strange bedfellows, but this is where I lose all respect for him.

 

Now, as the dems are in the 4th year of an attempt to unseat the president I voted for, having watched Mueller fail, having watched Kavanaugh be humiliated in front of his wife and children (and geesh, while I admire Kobe's commitment to his family and his children and recognize the horrible tragedy that befell them, good old Brett was #girldad all along the way and those honoring Kobe lined up to stab Kavanaugh in the stomach with a pencil in an effort to end him slowly and painfully on CSPAN),  I see dopey old Mitch as weak yet again as he wrings his hands over witnesses. 

 

Here's my statement Bobby Flay:

 

Adam Schiff and the house Democrats are attempting to have Trump removed from office.  Adam Schiff, Jerry Nadler and the rest of those in control of the house used political majority in the house to frame a story in the manner they wanted it presented.  There was no call for harmony, they did not consider the feelings of the Rs, defer to their requests for a "fair hearing", nor attempt to meet somewhere in the middle so we could all get to the truth. Schiff in particular made statements to the public that were false and misleading along the way, and in that regard, did so for maximum political effect. 

 

True or False? 

 

Assuming you are willing to at least recognize the TRUTH that old LS has laid out, back to Romney.

 

From the eyes of a conservative with liberal leanings on social issues: 

 

Enough capitulation.  Enough hand wringing. We're in a death match over our political process, and we need strong, steady hands on the wheel. One of the leading contenders on the dem side is an avowed socialist phony who wants the ability for great personal wealth and power for himself while tearing down and blowing up opportunities for the middle class. Another seeks to buy her way into the White House with promises to enrich people who chose a course of action in college at the expense of those who didnt. A third is Joe Biden, a guy on tape bragging about strongarming Ukraine to get what he wanted to protect his son. 

 

I would love to see a guy like Romney sack up and try and win something for a change instead of wandering around like a grinning dimwitted bobblehead when so much is at stake. 

 

Willard Romney is a rat. 

 

 

And now there's this outrage to add to his crappy record, eh? 

 

https://news.yahoo.com/mitt-romney-violated-senate-rules-211931036.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=1_02

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

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[Just Joshin']

21 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

I'd start by having a Democrat take the first bite. 

You would not have to ask.  They would take 60% and then tell you how & when to eat what is left.

[Bob in Mich]

28 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

What you fail to understand time after time is that the country voted for those promises that he has kept. 

 

Why would you assume I fail to recall who won the election?  That fact has nothing to do with the question I was replying to.  BTW, I wasn't talking to you either.

 

BTW too, you still haven't answered my very simple question.  Why?  Here it is:

Simple question:  If Trump acted exactly as accused and for the exact motivations proposed by the House Dems, are those actions OK with you and is it OK for all politicians now going forward?

 

Listen, we have standards here and you are not measuring up.  Either do better or get lost, k?

Edited January 29, 2020 by Bob in Mich

[Bob in Mich]

18 minutes ago, GG said:

 

What was the initial promise?  What if it was a cure for stage 4 cancer?

Are you agreeing with my point?  Seems so but no precedent for that. 

 

The point being, it depends if you like the promised action as to whether you are happy that the promise is kept.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, CoudyBills said:

I said 5 things done well.  A rational human could pick out 5.  You are a hack.  

 

I don't see him as having any other than managing to not F up the economy more than he has. 

 

Ergo my list of failures. 

 

What are your top 5 accomplishments ..  Please tag me so I can find your reply  easier 

 

24 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Benghazi resulted from the deaths of American citizens on the watch of a Presidential candidate, involving his Secty of State and heir apparent, and involved a made up tale of spontaneous demonstrations and Korans in toilets.  The lie was calculated to provide maximum cover and plausible deniability to the admin specifically to influence the vote, and would result in an investigation 100% of the time.

 

It was a #### up on a massive scale.  It did not lead to articles of impeachment.  Unlike the Russia hoax, the CIA was not weaponized, foreign intelligence was not created out of thin air, the FISA court was not flim-flammed, and the media was not used to bludgeon the candidate with mindless allegations of treason. 

 

Other than that, yeah, sure. 

 

If you only knew how these places operated.  I've been there. Have you?    By law I can not go into details. 

 

Yes, Americans died.  Was it the System or just Hillary all by here lonesome?  

[IDBillzFan]

1 minute ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

I don't see him as having any other than managing to not F up the economy more than he has. 

 

 

Can you break down for us how he has managed to F up the economy to the extent you believe he has?

 

Be specific, please, as economics is not my strong suit.

[GG]

6 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

Are you agreeing with my point?  Seems so but no precedent for that. 

 

The point being, it depends if you like the promised action as to whether you are happy that the promise is kept.

 

Ever hear of a cost benefit analysis?

 

Yeah, I'd take a dook on my living room floor if the benefit is a cancer cure.

[keepthefaith]

22 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

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Well in fairness the left is lathered up about what Bolton and Trump talked about away from the call.  For me though it doesn't matter as Trump had every justification to ask for investigations.  Too much evidence surrounding Bidens and others to ignore. 

[Foxx]

46 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

I'm diabetic and have no self control when it comes to sugar. I'd be terrified. Then I'd quickly get over the terror, realize that I can spare one of my two legs, take some frosting, and quickly pass the cake on to someone else, because I don't like sheet cake.

 

Edit: I don't like sheet cake, and I detest sprinkles.

give me a two layer cake anyday!

[Bob in Mich]

1 minute ago, Foxx said:

give me a two layer cake anyday!

I hear they serve yellow cake at the Uranium One place.

[Foxx]

59 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

 

Simple case example....I say I will crap on your rug, pee in your kitchen sink, and then spit at you.  Next time at your place (lol) I do all I said. 

 

Would you approve of what I had done?  Overly simplistic but I hope you see why one could disapprove of kept promises.

understood.

 

and you understand that what we are talking about here is that Trump ran on and was elected to do what he has done.

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

The President is the president of ALL Americans. Not just Republicans. The ‘us’ in the phone call is ALL Americans...not his personal team. So when OUR President is asking about corruption that was openly bragged about by someone running for office, how do any of his ‘accusers’ know that he’s not actually hoping to clear up confusion about what on the surface appears to be a really shady deal? His mentioning it does NOT mean this investigation is intended to damage Joe Biden! On the contrary, he is hoping the new Ukrainian President will confirm that indeed the previous administration was NOT extorting their positions for family gain as Joe’s mindless bluster gave everyone the impression he was doing. Put simply: “Please do us a favor and tell us that the Obama administration was NOT acting in the way Mr Biden unartfully put it.”

[Bob in Mich]

3 minutes ago, Foxx said:

understood.

 

and you understand that what we are talking about here is that Trump ran on and was elected to do what he has done.

 

 

He has kept many of his promises but not kept many others.  Shady had a list of promises he has not kept a page or so back. 

 

If you are saying those that elected him are happy, sure I would agree with that. 

 

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

He has kept many of his promises but not kept many others.  Shady had a list of promises he has not kept a page or so back. 

 

If you are saying those that elected him are happy, sure I would agree with that. 

 

There’s a difference in not keeping a promise and not TRYING to keep a promise. I believe Trump has at least tried to keep the vast majority of his pre election promises. I cannot think of one where he’s done a complete policy reversal....can you?

[KRC]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Geez, I thought the Schumer/Lev Parnas thing would be the silliest thing today................wrong

 

 

 

 

Imagine walking into your office and being confronted by a sheet cake. A free sheet cake. You’d be quaking in your boots and questioning your decisions, wouldn’t you? Well, wouldn’t you???

 

 

 

.

 

Damn you!! Now I want cake.

[B-Man]

Today we’ve reached the “questions from senators” phase of the impeachment trial in the Senate.

So far most, if not all, of the questions submitted by Senate Democrats have been directed toward Adam Schiff and the House impeachment managers.

 

Katie Pavlich saw the House managers as being very prepared for what they were asked:

 

 

 

 

Additionally, the questions from Democrat senators to the House impeachment managers have been the softest of softballs.

 

Democrats don't even attempt to hide the fact the impeachment of Donald Trump is politically motivated and corrupt because they know the media will back them up. From the time House Democrats coordinated an "impeachable offense" with the CIA whistleblower to the time the ICIG legitimized the transfer of leaked information from the whistleblower to House Democrats via a faux whistleblower complaint, this criminal enterprise had red flags flying all around it, but the media looked the other way.

 

When Democrats were conducting a one-sided impeachment inquiry in the House, the media's talking point was "Democrats are in the majority, and whether you like it or not, they get to make the rules."

 

When the impeachment trial moved to the Senate, the media's talking point became "How can you have a fair trial without witnesses? It's a cover-up!" Despite the fact Republicans make the rules in the Senate, the media pushed the Democratic narrative.

[Foxx]

6 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

He has kept many of his promises but not kept many others.  Shady had a list of promises he has not kept a page or so back. 

 

If you are saying those that elected him are happy, sure I would agree with that. 

 

just think of everything else he might have accomplished had the Democrats not tried to stonewall him at every turn. it would be unequaled and the Dems know that.

[Tiberius]

So now Trump is so scared of Bolton he is trying to suppress the publication of his book. Claiming national security issues, totally bogus. I guess the news of Trump buddying up to autocrats would look as bad as it is. 

[Bob in Mich]

8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The President is the president of ALL Americans. Not just Republicans. The ‘us’ in the phone call is ALL Americans...not his personal team. So when OUR President is asking about corruption that was openly bragged about by someone running for office, how do any of his ‘accusers’ know that he’s not actually hoping to clear up confusion about what on the surface appears to be a really shady deal? His mentioning it does NOT mean this investigation is intended to damage Joe Biden! On the contrary, he is hoping the new Ukrainian President will confirm that indeed the previous administration was NOT extorting their positions for family gain as Joe’s mindless bluster gave everyone the impression he was doing. Put simply: “Please do us a favor and tell us that the Obama administration was NOT acting in the way Mr Biden unartfully put it.”

 

It is a perspective difference.  It can be seen either way I guess.  Folks that like him and are willing to believe him, believe your take on the motivations.  Wouldn't it be grand to know more about his motivations?  Let's all think to see if we can come up with any way to get further perspective.   Hmmmm

 

Many of us with the other perspective see this as further evidence that he is willing to do whatever he wants to to get himself re-elected.  I bet if a reporter asked him the Stephanopoulos Norway question again, he would still maintain that the FBI is wrong and he would say that he would take the foreign assistance.  Somehow it has to be inserted into his head that doing what he is doing is improper and not perfect.

[Foxx]

3 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Today we’ve reached the “questions from senators” phase of the impeachment trial in the Senate.

So far most, if not all, of the questions submitted by Senate Democrats have been directed toward Adam Schiff and the House impeachment managers.

 

Katie Pavlich saw the House managers as being very prepared for what they were asked:

 

 

 

 

Additionally, the questions from Democrat senators to the House impeachment managers have been the softest of softballs.

 

Democrats don't even attempt to hide the fact the impeachment of Donald Trump is politically motivated and corrupt because they know the media will back them up. From the time House Democrats coordinated an "impeachable offense" with the CIA whistleblower to the time the ICIG legitimized the transfer of leaked information from the whistleblower to House Democrats via a faux whistleblower complaint, this criminal enterprise had red flags flying all around it, but the media looked the other way.

 

When Democrats were conducting a one-sided impeachment inquiry in the House, the media's talking point was "Democrats are in the majority, and whether you like it or not, they get to make the rules."

 

When the impeachment trial moved to the Senate, the media's talking point became "How can you have a fair trial without witnesses? It's a cover-up!" Despite the fact Republicans make the rules in the Senate, the media pushed the Democratic narrative.

i too was struck at how it seemed every question the Dems received (with exception of ones asked of them by Republicans) was orchestrated. well, to be honest i wasn't too surprised that Jerry Lewis Nads was prepared ahead of time.

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, Foxx said:

just think of everything else he might have accomplished had the Democrats not tried to stonewall him at every turn. it would be unequaled and the Dems know that.

Republicans had the House and Senate for two years and he only got tax cuts through. No wall, Obamacare alive and well, no infrastructure, national debt still there. He just sucks 

[B-Man]

 

 

CNN Claims Despite Evidence to the Contrary That the White House Is Threatening John Bolton Over His Book

 

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[Foxx]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So now Trump is so scared of Bolton he is trying to suppress the publication of his book. Claiming national security issues, totally bogus. I guess the news of Trump buddying up to autocrats would look as bad as it is. 

you're an idiot. as you libs are so fond of saying, that has already been debunked.

[Deranged Rhino]

42 minutes ago, Bob in Mich said:

BTW too, you still haven't answered my very simple question.  Why?  Here it is:

 

Funny how you don't like to answer questions, run for them for months, then complain about harassment when you're reminded of your negligence. Now you're doing the same to 3rd. 

 

Fair to say you're being hypocritical? 

 

Yup.

[Bob in Mich]

6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

There’s a difference in not keeping a promise and not TRYING to keep a promise. I believe Trump has at least tried to keep the vast majority of his pre election promises. I cannot think of one where he’s done a complete policy reversal....can you?

 

Healthcare coverage, SocSec benefits, medicare benefits, and draining the swamp come quickly to mind.  In all of those promises he has reversed, imo

[Foxx]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Republicans had the House and Senate for two years and he only got tax cuts through. No wall, Obamacare alive and well, no infrastructure, national debt still there. He just sucks 

yeah... 30+ campaign promises kept level of sucks.

Edited January 29, 2020 by Foxx