Rocket94 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 13 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Doug Williams ?? LOL Warren Moon was better than all those guys. Warren Moon should definately be there. What is this guy smoking! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Jeff Blake was better than Doug Williams FWIW. This list is clearly based on historical significance and not overall play. Not quite sure how people are missing that part. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said: Bolded taints your entire premise. We still do, but it’s getting better. We have come a long way and have a long way to go. That said, a good friend of mine, a black man who spent his childhood life in the military in the south in the 60s told me about the times he couldnt drink from fountains and use most bathrooms because he was different. He told me, "son, when we cant find a way to remove race from the conversation and keep it about the human instead then we will never continue foward. We have let the narrative be segregation rather then one people." If that is wrong then I will let Garland know. 1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said: I'm guessing from your name you weren't around when race was considered when it came to QBs. Good for you & your generation, but it clearly was a factor back in the 60s, 70s & 80s and the years before those decades. It was only around the 1990s that things changed to the point that your last statement is now true. Here's what the Buffalo Evening News said the day after Harris was drafted: (From Relentless P158): "...in the eighth round , they selected James Harris, a black quarterback from Grambling. A Buffalo Evening News headline read: ' A 6-4 N-egro QB, Harris, drafted 8th by the Bills.' The story said Harris 'is a n-egro, one of the few of his race to be drafted as a quarterback in pro football.' " I dont disagree. This is why I dont usually get into these conversations. My statement from the start was not received accurately. See my reply above. Edited November 23, 2019 by fansince88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said: I'm guessing from your name you weren't around when race was considered when it came to QBs. Good for you & your generation, but it clearly was a factor back in the 60s, 70s & 80s and the years before those decades. It was only around the 1990s that things changed to the point that your last statement is now true. Here's what the Buffalo Evening News said the day after Harris was drafted: (From Relentless P158): "...in the eighth round , they selected James Harris, a black quarterback from Grambling. A Buffalo Evening News headline read: ' A 6-4 N-egro QB, Harris, drafted 8th by the Bills.' The story said Harris 'is a n-egro, one of the few of his race to be drafted as a quarterback in pro football.' " This is some legitimate information. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Let's see.. cam Newton won an mvp, mahomes won an mvp, wilson or LJ probably win it this year. Wilson also won a super bowl if that's the made up criteria. Moon is a HOFer, Cunningham had a pretty long decently successful career. Same with McNabb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 JP Losman still waiting for a list to be on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 19 hours ago, John Gianelli said: On ESPN radio just now, Freddie Coleman chose as his top 5 black quarterbacks 1) Doug Williams 2) Steve McNair 3) James Harris 4) Michael Vick 5) Marlin Briscoe Harris played quarterback for the Bills. Briscoe was a wide receiver with the Bills, but he did attempt 3 passes. I'm surprised he didn't have Russell Wilson or Randall Cunningham in his top 5. Coleman is trippin!! No Warren Moon or Randall Cunningham? How about Joe Gilliam who had Terry Bradshaw sitting the bench? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 9 hours ago, John Gianelli said: I'm not a regular listener and I don't know if Freddie Coleman does this all the time, but last night he was letting listeners call in with 15-second takes, with suggestions for topics. A caller suggested he list his top 5 black quarterbacks, so he did. Almost immediately someone told him he left off Warren Moon, but he stuck by his list. He did say something about the historical significance of the quarterbacks he named. I probably wouldn't have paid much attention, but when he mentioned James Harris and Marlin Briscoe, as an elder Bills fan those names brought back vivid memories. If you're going by historical significance, I still don't see how you can omit Moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 4 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: Jeff Blake was better than Doug Williams FWIW. This list is clearly based on historical significance and not overall play. Not quite sure how people are missing that part. Let me know when Jeff Blake wins a SB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, the skycap said: Let me know when Jeff Blake wins a SB You make a strong point there chief. Trent Dilfer is also better than Dan Marino, amirite? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 This is the worst list I could imagine 1 hour ago, the skycap said: Coleman is trippin!! No Warren Moon or Randall Cunningham? How about Joe Gilliam who had Terry Bradshaw sitting the bench? Just terrible list. Why does that guy even bother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Donovan McNabb, Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, and even current players like Russell Wilson, DeShaun Watson & Lamar Jackson I'd put over most of those names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Dumb list. The only one I'd even consider a good QB, much less top-5, is McNair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) If you are talking strictly black QB’s.......... How the flog is Warren Moon not #1 on anyone’s list? ? Edited November 24, 2019 by njbuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 21 hours ago, Bferra13 said: Lol what is this crap? Whatever a Freddie Coleman is, I'm pretty sure he wont have a job tomorrow if he did this list on ESPN's dime as noted. I'm as anti PC culture as anyone, but a qb is a qb. I dont see race factoring into my judgment of how good or bad a qubby is. Coleman is a quality imo. I’ve enjoyed his show for years. this can’t be a list of the top 5 black qbs according to Freddie. No way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 4 hours ago, the skycap said: Let me know when Jeff Blake wins a SB Meanwhile, Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer asked Dan Marino and Jim Kelly where their SB rings were 1 hour ago, njbuff said: If you are talking strictly black QB’s.......... How the flog is Warren Moon not #1 on anyone’s list? ? Russell Wilson is number 1 on my list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 I hope and pray for the day when this would never even be considered as a thread topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeKayAdams Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 9 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: Jeff Blake was better than Doug Williams FWIW. This list is clearly based on historical significance and not overall play. Not quite sure how people are missing that part. Briscoe and Harris making the list should have been two big clues... It's a respectable top-5 list, but Moon's omission is glaring. Add him instead of McNair and you have the first black QB to start a pro game (Briscoe), first black QB to start a season (Harris), first black QB to win a Super Bowl (Williams), first Hall of Fame black QB (Moon), and first black QB to be drafted first overall (Vick). Fun fact: not only did Briscoe and Harris play for the Bills, but they were promoted to starting QB by two former Bills head coaches when on different teams (Lou Saban and Briscoe on the Broncos, Chuck Knox and Harris on the Rams). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyshouldhavekeptLomonica Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 19 hours ago, fansince88 said: I really think this is divisive. Why say 1st black this or female that. I never understood the reason to emphasize it. Spoken like a true white guy. “First black this” and “first female this” are notable because so many avenues were closed to those folks for so long, so breaking thru means something. It’s like noting that John Glenn was the first American to orbit the earth. He wasn’t the first human to do it, but it’s important to US, so we make that distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 2 hours ago, NewEra said: Meanwhile, Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer asked Dan Marino and Jim Kelly where their SB rings were Russell Wilson is number 1 on my list He still has his career going, but you may certainly be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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