Deranged Rhino Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Holmes just explained. It lifts attention off Russia's interference in the US election, drives a wedge between US and Ukraine diplomatic relations, and makes it easier for Russia to try and regain Ukraine as part of its sphere of influence. In other words, it goes against US Foreign Policy. See above. NPCs going to believe this because they operate on emotion, not facts. It's a FACT, not speculation, that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election along with Russia and others. All one needs to do is look at Paul Manafort and it's inarguable. But they won't, because Jrober has already made up his mind ... or should I say, Jrober has already been programmed by his masters and won't get off it, no matter what facts are brought to light. Sad way to make your way through an information war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Trump does. It probably would have been helpful if all US diplomats knew what Trump's policy actually was in Ukraine. All of them seem to think it was something different than what Guiliani was working on. So how can Trump do something that goes against foreign policy when he is the one who sets it? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Just now, Bray Wyatt said: So how can Trump do something that goes against foreign policy when he is the one who sets it? he's trying to think but nothing's happening 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Literally every single diplomat that has testified over the past 4 days has said that it was US policy to help protect Ukraine from Russia, so that Russia couldn't expand its power and sphere of influence globally. The President, not his staff, sets US policy. Full stop. Any argument to to contrary is made from a position of ignorance. Don't be ignorant. Inform yourself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Fiona Hill should have had her mustache removed before doing this "inquiry". Nancy really should farm out her make-up artist "for a small fee." 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Fiona Hill should have had her mustache removed before doing this "inquiry". Nancy really should farm out her make-up artist "for a small fee." brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I love it how the discussion has been diverted again. The Dems have hit yet another road block on Impeachment Street so now we have to focus on something else. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Literally every single diplomat that has testified over the past 4 days has said that it was US policy to help protect Ukraine from Russia, so that Russia couldn't expand its power and sphere of influence globally. Every one of them also said that the current administration’s aid is more robust than the prior administration. You know, the prior President who said to the President of Russia that he would have much more leeway with Russian objections to US missile defense after Obama’s re-election. Big difference, yeah? I think the only difference was Obama’s “the 80s called” quip in his debate with Romney. Boy it was a funny line at the time! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Fiona Hill should have had her mustache removed before doing this "inquiry". Nancy really should farm out her make-up artist "for a small fee." ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Fiona Hill should have had her mustache removed before doing this "inquiry". Nancy really should farm out her make-up artist "for a small fee." Savage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 does Schifty hit the press microphones before heading off to the vote?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 minute ago, snafu said: Every one of them also said that the current administration’s aid is more robust than the prior administration. You know, the prior President who said to the President of Russia that he would have much more leeway with Russian objections to US missile defense after Obama’s re-election. Big difference, yeah? I think the only difference was Obama’s “the 80s called” quip in his debate with Romney. Boy it was a funny line at the time! Don't bring facts into a FEELz fight! How dare you! Don't you know Trump WANTS TO HELP PUTIN! ... by arming his enemies? GET WITH THE PROGRAM OR BE RE-PROGRAMMED! /NPC's of the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, snafu said: I think the only difference was Obama’s “the 80s called” quip in his debate with Romney. Boy it was a funny line at the time! not really..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446 *********************** Oh wow... you don't say? (we did say, months ago... the Ukraine is where they ALL got dirty. Both sides of the establishment aisle. That's why they're so terrified of Biden being exposed) 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KRC Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Fiona Hill should have had her mustache removed before doing this "inquiry". Nancy really should farm out her make-up artist "for a small fee." Damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446 *********************** Oh wow... you don't say? (we did say, months ago... the Ukraine is where they ALL got dirty. Both sides of the establishment aisle. That's why they're so terrified of Biden being exposed) I own Black Rock mutual funds. Am I tied to Ukraine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, Foxx said: brutal. Who would figure a Russian bot would be brutal towards an anti Putin bureaucrat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Uncle Joe Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Fiona Hill should have had her mustache removed before doing this "inquiry". Nancy really should farm out her make-up artist "for a small fee." I walked by the tele, got a closeup and had similar thoughts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: I own Black Rock mutual funds. Am I tied to Ukraine? No, but you should switch to Vanguard funds 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Promote that Russian narrative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: I own Black Rock mutual funds. Am I tied to Ukraine? Based on how hard you're trying to deny reality -- claiming that Ukraine did not interfere in the election ... maybe? But keep missing the point, your ignorance is a never ending font of hilarity https://ir.blackrock.com/board-of-directors Nothing to see here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Based on how hard you're trying to deny reality -- claiming that Ukraine did not interfere in the election ... maybe? But keep missing the point, your ignorance is a never ending font of hilarity They have $6.84 TRILLION under management. They're one of the biggest mutual fund companies in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: They have $6.84 TRILLION under management. They're one of the biggest mutual fund companies in the world. Would explain a lot. ? 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: They have $6.84 TRILLION under management. They're one of the biggest mutual fund companies in the world. More to your point, Schiff had <$15,000 invested with them, which is not "connected to" anything except by the most tenuous stretch of the imagination. I have stronger connections to the mob. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: Would explain a lot. ? Wouldn't it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: More to your point, Schiff had <$15,000 invested with them, which is not "connected to" anything except by the most tenuous stretch of the imagination. I have stronger connections to the mob. Exactly. I have more than $15k invested in their products. Millions of people can say the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Guys? Seriously! Are your personal mutual fund holdings really the important part of the story on the attempted overthrow of the President? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Literally every single diplomat that has testified over the past 4 days has said that it was US policy to help protect Ukraine from Russia, so that Russia couldn't expand its power and sphere of influence globally. That's what their directives were, and they're all testifying that Guiliani, Trump's personal lawyer, was actively working to undermine the work they were doing. How much real tangible help did Ukraine receive between 2014 & 2017, compared to what they received since? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 IMPEACHMENT Fiona Hill criticizes Republicans for pushing ‘fictional narrative’ on Ukraine Trump's former Russia aide plans to warn lawmakers to “not promote politically driven falsehoods that so clearly advance Russian interests.” Livestream Channel 1 - HTTPS Share Play Video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Exactly. I have more than $15k invested in their products. Millions of people can say the same thing. But logically, then, I'm also responsible for the coup, since Schiff and I both have Bank of America accounts. Which is nice, since I've always wanted power. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Just now, DC Tom said: But logically, then, I'm also responsible for the coup, since Schiff and I both have Bank of America accounts. Which is nice, since I've always wanted power. i'd rather you lead a Committee than Schiff or his co-horts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 30 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Trump does. How is it you know the answer to this question, and yet still have no idea why you're wrong about everything else? Perhaps you should not believe what your overlords are telling you. Maybe you should cheque the facts. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 Just now, IDBillzFan said: How is it you know the answer to this question, and yet still have no idea why you're wrong about everything else? Perhaps you should not believe what your overlords are telling you. Maybe you should cheque the facts. this is how: 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: See above. NPCs going to believe this because they operate on emotion, not facts. It's a FACT, not speculation, that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election along with Russia and others. All one needs to do is look at Paul Manafort and it's inarguable. But they won't, because Jrober has already made up his mind ... or should I say, Jrober has already been programmed by his masters and won't get off it, no matter what facts are brought to light. Sad way to make your way through an information war. In fairness to Jrober, I don't think he can help it. He's reasonably intelligent, but he's hopelessly lost to his emotions, and he only has one speed, and that's full throttle. There is no measured or nuanced in between for him. It's one extreme or the other. He comes to us from the BBMB, which I perused occasionally during the Whaley years. During that time I witnessed a good example of this tendency in his attitude toward EJ Manwell. Jrober started off as the ultimate EJ fanboy. He maintained his devout allegiance for the longest time. This man loved him some EJ like Mitch McConnell loves him a big pile of blow. If you'd gone to kick EJ in the nuts you'd have hit jrober in the head. Then one day, for no particular reason, he flipped 180° on a dime, and ran full steam ahead in the other direction. There was no gradual shift reflecting an opinion that changed over time as more information became available; just a split second flip. From that point forward, Manwell was a Maybinesque bust, destined to suck out loud and disappoint fans on a level Bill Kristol could only dream of until the day, near at hand, when he would be mercifully dropped from the league. The point isn't his assessment of Manwell. We've all been fanboys of someone who didn't work out (except maybe for DC Tom who likely identifies fanboys as idiots). Rather, the point is how absolutely certain he is of everything he says, even when stating an argument that is diametrically opposed to the one he made 10 minutes ago. If you have that tendency wrt a game that really has no greater significance beyond entertainment, imagine how that tendency will manifest when you think the fate of the Republic is at stake. When you understand that, you can understand how an otherwise intelligent man can take conjecture as fact, and believe that investigating corruption is an impeachable offense if one of the guilty parties being investigated might end up throwing his hat in the ring for the Democrat nomination. Edited November 21, 2019 by Rob's House 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Just now, Rob's House said: In fairness to Jrober, I don't think he can help it. He's reasonably intelligent, but he's hopelessly lost to his emotions, and he only has one speed, and that's full throttle. There is no measured or nuanced in between for him. It's one extreme or the other. He comes to us from the BBMB, which I perused occasionally during the Whaley years. During that time I witnessed a good example this tendency in his attitude toward EJ Manwell. Jrober started off as the ultimate EJ fanboy. He maintained his devout allegiance for the longest time. This man loved him some EJ like Mitch McConnell loves him a big pile of blow. If you'd gone to kick EJ in the nuts you'd have hit jrober in the head. Then one day, for no particular reason, he flipped 180° on a dime, and ran full steam ahead in the other direction. There was no gradual shift reflecting an opinion that changed over time as more information became available; just a split second flip. From that point forward, Manwell was a Maybinesque bust, destined to suck out loud and disappoint fans on a level Bill Kristol could only dream of until the day, near at hand, when he would be mercifully dropped from the league. The point isn't his assessment of Manwell. We've all been fanboys of someone who didn't work out (except maybe for DC Tom who likely identifies fanboys as idiots). Rather, the point is how absolutely certain he is of everything he says, even when stating an argument that is diametrically opposed to the one he made 10 minutes ago. If you have that tendency wrt a game that really has no greater significance beyond entertainment, imagine how that tendency will manifest when you think the fate of the Republic is at stake. When you understand that, you can understand how an otherwise intelligent man can take conjecture as fact, and believe that investigating corruption is an impeachable offense if one of the guilty parties being investigated might end up throwing his hat in the ring for the Democrat nomination. a brilliant psychoanlytical Report the BBMB didn't allow for any political/religious/NPC-rant views, which had its advantages. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: this is how: Breaking news: If 2 + 2 = 4, Then impeach. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbeau Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Fiona Hill should have had her mustache removed before doing this "inquiry". Nancy really should farm out her make-up artist "for a small fee." 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Rob's House said: In fairness to Jrober, I don't think he can help it. He's reasonably intelligent, but he's hopelessly lost to his emotions, and he only has one speed, and that's full throttle. There is no measured or nuanced in between for him. It's one extreme or the other. He comes to us from the BBMB, which I perused occasionally during the Whaley years. During that time I witnessed a good example this tendency in his attitude toward EJ Manwell. Jrober started off as the ultimate EJ fanboy. He maintained his devout allegiance for the longest time. This man loved him some EJ like Mitch McConnell loves him a big pile of blow. If you'd gone to kick EJ in the nuts you'd have hit jrober in the head. Then one day, for no particular reason, he flipped 180° on a dime, and ran full steam ahead in the other direction. There was no gradual shift reflecting an opinion that changed over time as more information became available; just a split second flip. From that point forward, Manwell was a Maybinesque bust, destined to suck out loud and disappoint fans on a level Bill Kristol could only dream of until the day, near at hand, when he would be mercifully dropped from the league. The point isn't his assessment of Manwell. We've all been fanboys of someone who didn't work out (except maybe for DC Tom who likely identifies fanboys as idiots). Rather, the point is how absolutely certain he is of everything he says, even when stating an argument that is diametrically opposed to the one he made 10 minutes ago. If you have that tendency wrt a game that really has no greater significance beyond entertainment, imagine how that tendency will manifest when you think the fate of the Republic is at stake. When you understand that, you can understand how an otherwise intelligent man can take conjecture as fact, and believe that investigating corruption is an impeachable offense if one of the guilty parties being investigated might end up throwing his hat in the ring for the Democrat nomination. I was never certain EJ would be good. My argument throughout the summer between his 1st and 2nd year was that the average QB improved quite substantially, and since EJ didn't have a terribly bad rookie season statistically, if he just did what the average QB did from year 1 to year 2, he'd be pretty good. The average QB improved their QB rating by something like 15 points. That didn't happen, and accordingly my opinion changed. Weeks 1-4 of his second season were the worst QB play we've seen from a starting Bills QB since JP Losman's first year. He was flat out horrible. Otherwise your memory is relatively accurate. Edited November 21, 2019 by jrober38 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 Just now, jrober38 said: I was never certain EJ would be good. My argument throughout the summer between his 1st and 2nd year was that the average QB improved quite substantially, and since EJ didn't have a terribly bad rookie season, if he just did what the average QB did from year 1 to year 2, he'd be pretty good. That didn't happen, and accordingly my opinion changed. Weeks 1-4 of his second season were the worst QB play we've seen from a starting Bills QB since JP Losman's first year. He was flat out horrible. Otherwise your memory is relatively accurate. One thing we can always agree on, I would hope, is that being a Bills fan is hard work. I never have a problem with anyone buying into a player on the roster -- even if it's a long term losing effort. Being a fan(atic) means doing stuff like that, and hoping for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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