Josh Allen - week TEN report card

[BillsFanSD]

2 minutes ago, ny33 said:

He looks decisive and seems to be going through his progressions with the result of a much-improved intermediate game. I see progress in footwork and in avoiding reckless “hero ball.” I don’t know what happened to his long ball, but if he manages to connect on a few, I imagine it will be a confidence boost akin to the impact the Foster connection made last year. We deserved a loss like this after the Jets kicker gave us the win. We’re generally still on the right track other than the run D and pass rush (might take more than next offseason to fix). I don’t think any GM could have handled the offseason much better. Last year’s offense was inexcusable. This year’s is a solid base, and we will be competitive if we nail the coming draft and free agency. 

Thanks for this sense of perspective.  Last year's team was terrible, to the point that I still can't believe they won 6 games.  This team is much better, but still has a way to go.  I'm very disappointed in the defense, but I have a lot of confidence in the front office to take another step forward in the off-season.  We're on the right trajectory.

[Real McClappy]

 

9 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

He’s the damned first round QB. When he is the third best Allen currently playing QB in the NFL.

 

Freaking Minshew looks 10 times better and he just got benched.

So give up on Allen?

He has demonstrated time and time again he can move the chains short and intermediate.  If we can actually establish a run game like most teams and be able to execute play action and screens things would look a lot different IMO

 

All the blame is not on Allen. 

 

If the FO decides to go a different direction that's on them. I'm still supporting JA even if he wasn't my first choice. 

 

Hell, my arm chair GM skills would have had Watson here years ago. I had L.Jackson over Allen as well. 

[Kemp]

45 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I’m An Allen supporter for the most part I would give it a C.

 

Didnt make the big mistake but didn’t make enough plays and missed a couple key passes.

 

 

 

A fumble at the 5 yard line isn't a big mistake?

[LABILLBACKER]

He gets a C from me. He has too look at tape and see why ALL his deep throws have failed. He's now at 0-16 for the season beyond 30 yards. Half those 16 plays the wr was open, really open.  I'm sick and tired of waiting for a coach to tell him he needs higher trajectory on his deep throws. It's called "dropping the ball in the basket". He just can't do it. He's improved his 10-30 yard throws but teams aren't scared by any deep threat from Buffalo anymore. 

Edited November 10, 2019 by LABILLBACKER

[Hapless Bills Fan]

52 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

B- / C+.  He’s GOT to start connecting on the deep ball.  

 

Yes, but perhaps until he gets it together, the O needs to take it off his shoulders.  What kind of a “good play calling” OC can’t get a 3rd and 4 without pushing a long ball?  That’s bull crap

[JoPar_v2]

3 minutes ago, McBean said:

Every week that passes, I start to think that Josh Allen doesn’t have “it.”

Agreed. Unless by “it” you mean an incurable case of the yips.

[Beast]

1 minute ago, Real McCoy said:

 

So give up on Allen?

He has demonstrated time and time again he can move the chains short and intermediate.  If we can actually establish a run game like most teams and be able to execute play action and screens things would look a lot different IMO

 

All the blame is not on Allen. 

 

If the FO decides to go a different direction that's on them. I'm still supporting JA even if he wasn't my first choice. 

 

Hell, my arm chair GM skills would have had Watson here years ago. I had L.Jackson over Allen as well. 

Give up on him? We have no choice, unfortunately, but to ride this out with him.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

A fumble at the 5 yard line isn't a big mistake?

 

Yes, it’s a big mistake.  But with a fullback, a HOFEr, and a rookie who was hot hot hot last week, what does it say if our QB who is struggling with fumbles is the best choice at that point?

Just now, JoPar_v2 said:

Agreed. Unless by “it” you mean an incurable case of the yips.

 

He doesn’t have the yips.  They need to fly in House or Palmer for a workshop with him

[Real McClappy]

9 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

And speaking of Daboll being better, the last time he didn’t have Allen under center the Bills put up 41 points.

The game we rushed the Ball over 40 times for over 200yds? Barkley was 15-25 232yds and 2 TDS. Carefull what you wish for. 

 

Daboll actually ran the ball then. Running Devin 8 times against the 30th ranked rushing D is absolutely inexcusable. 

[BillsFan130]

3 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

A fumble at the 5 yard line isn't a big mistake?

Ya I know I missed that and stated that on a different post in this thread. Definitely was a big mistake and got lucky 

[LABILLBACKER]

4 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

 

So give up on Allen?

He has demonstrated time and time again he can move the chains short and intermediate.  If we can actually establish a run game like most teams and be able to execute play action and screens things would look a lot different IMO

 

All the blame is not on Allen. 

 

If the FO decides to go a different direction that's on them. I'm still supporting JA even if he wasn't my first choice. 

 

Hell, my arm chair GM skills would have had Watson here years ago. I had L.Jackson over Allen as well. 

 I guess in hindsight the worst crime we committed was trading with Kansas City had not taking Mahomes? Too late now. Daboll probably would've just screwed him up too.

[Beast]

1 minute ago, Real McCoy said:

The game we rushed the Ball over 40 times for over 200yds? Barkley was 15-25 232yds and 2 TDS. Carefull what you wish for. 

 

Daboll actually ran the ball then. Running Devin 8 times against the 30th ranked rushing D is absolutely inexcusable. 

Agreed. Daboll’s unwillingness to run the ball was awful.

 

But so was our QB’s play.

 

The kid needs to turn it around in a hurry or he will become another in a long line of 1st round QB’s that don’t make it at the next level.

Edited November 10, 2019 by Binghamton Beast

[GunnerBill]

C-/D+ 

 

One of his worst days. Failed to see open guys and missed opportunities. Just didn't make the plays that were there to be made. 

[JoPar_v2]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yes, but perhaps until he gets it together, the O needs to take it off his shoulders.  What kind of a “good play calling” OC can’t get a 3rd and 4 without pushing a long ball?  That’s bull crap

I am sure the offensive line would appreciate getting to run block a bit more too. I don’t think throwing 44 times with Allen is really the recipe for success right now.

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yes, it’s a big mistake.  But with a fullback, a HOFEr, and a rookie who was hot hot hot last week, what does it say if our QB who is struggling with fumbles is the best choice at that point?

I think Allen scrambled on his own on that play? I could be wrong but I believe that was the case

[Real McClappy]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

 I guess in hindsight the worst crime we committed was trading with Kansas City had not taking Mahomes? Too late now. Daboll probably would've just screwed him up too.

truth

[london_bills]

6 minutes ago, McBean said:

Every week that passes, I start to think that Josh Allen doesn’t have “it.”

Exactly. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:

I think Allen scrambled on his own on that play? I could be wrong but I believe that was the case

 

I don’t know

[GunnerBill]

28 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

So I just watched Allen's post game presser.  He is taking it all on his shoulders.  He didn't complete enough passes.  He isn't throwing long passes well enough, he doesn't know what's going wrong.

 

I don't know if Allen can become a franchise QB but we are going to trash this guy if he doesn't get some support.  He needs a run game.  He needs to not be TRYING to convert on 3rd and 4 with a long bomb.  8 carries from Singletary all game?  C'mon Daboll!  Be better.

 

He is right to take this one him. He was a big part of why we failed to win today. The kicker didn't help of course. 

[Real McClappy]

Just now, JoPar_v2 said:

I am sure the offensive line would appreciate getting to run block a bit more too. I don’t think throwing 44 times with Allen is really the recipe for success right now.

Agreed, I think our run line protection is ranked like 3rd in the league. Why can't we play to our strengths?

 

Mind boggling......

[BillsFan130]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don’t know

Im pretty sure it was a 3rd and 10 and he took off by himself. I don’t think Daboll designed that play call, but he did call up at least 2 QB draws that game

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

He is right to take this one him. He was a big part of why we failed to win today. The kicker didn't help of course. 

 

From shoutbox and other, you and I disagree and won’t persuade each other so I’ll leave it at this:

 

Yes, you are correct Allen is a big part of why we failed to win today, but that simply raises the question of why he was such a big part of why we failed to win today.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I think Allen scrambled on his own on that play? I could be wrong but I believe that was the case

 

I am all but certain he did. That did not look like a designed run to me.

[Kemp]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yes, it’s a big mistake.  But with a fullback, a HOFEr, and a rookie who was hot hot hot last week, what does it say if our QB who is struggling with fumbles is the best choice at that point?

 

He doesn’t have the yips.  They need to fly in House or Palmer for a workshop with him

 

Allen fumbled and it's someone else's fault? 

He got their only 2 TDs, by rushing. Perhaps he is their best option in that situation.

If a QB throws a ball into a defender's hands but you didn't like the call, the QB didn't screw up?

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

From shoutbox and other, you and I disagree and won’t persuade each other so I’ll leave it at this:

 

Yes, you are correct Allen is a big part of why we failed to win today, but that simply raises the question of why he was such a big part of why we failed to win today.

 

Because when you draft a Quarterback 7th overall by his 20th game he has to be a big part of the offense. People can blame the playcaller. They are running from the unavoidable truth. It is time now for Josh to step up. He HAS to start playing better when the team needs him to. 

[dubs]

5 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

I am sure the offensive line would appreciate getting to run block a bit more too. I don’t think throwing 44 times with Allen is really the recipe for success right now.

At this point I’d rather just see what we have in Allen. 40 throws isn’t to much for Jones, for Darnold, for Mayfield, for Murray. We need Allen to be able to shoulder a game, with his arm. At this point, I don’t think he can do it. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Kemp said:

 

Allen fumbled and it's someone else's fault? 

He got their only 2 TDs, by rushing. Perhaps he is their best option in that situation.

If a QB throws a ball into a defender's hands but you didn't like the call, the QB didn't screw up?

 

That’s really pretty far afield, I think, from anything I said.  What part of “yes, that was a big mistake” wasn’t sufficiently clear?

[JoPar_v2]

Just now, dubs said:

At this point I’d rather just see what we have in Allen. 40 throws isn’t to much for Jones, for Darnold, for Mayfield, for Murray. We need Allen to be able to shoulder a game, with his arm. At this point, I don’t think he can do it. 

Oh I agree with you - he should be able to handle it. I am not seeing it. Yes, the coaching hasn’t helped at all and penalties on offense have killed some drives. But he appears to show the same few mistakes and bad tendencies every week. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

How many times was Cleveland in Allen's face immediately?  Maybe Allen needs to recognize that better, but he's still relatively inexperienced.  Think the O-line is still one good stud away from not hurting the team overall.

 

They also are a long way from having a top level WR core.  Brown and Beasley are keepers and probably Roberts for his ST play, but the rest need a big improvement from.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Because when you draft a Quarterback 7th overall by his 20th game he has to be a big part of the offense. People can blame the playcaller. They are running from the unavoidable truth. It is time now for Josh to step up. He HAS to start playing better when the team needs him to. 

 

I sit corrected.  When the team chooses to trade up and use a 7th round pick on a known developmental project guy they initially plan to sit for his first year, they should absolutely drive his development by his draft status and not by a realistic look of where he is, what they can do to maximize his development and chance of success, and a realistic assessment of the team’s strengths/weaknesses at OL and skill positions.  Got it.

 

[the above text may or may not contain high doses of sarcasm]

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, dubs said:

At this point I’d rather just see what we have in Allen. 40 throws isn’t to much for Jones, for Darnold, for Mayfield, for Murray. We need Allen to be able to shoulder a game, with his arm. At this point, I don’t think he can do it. 

 

Agree. 

[london_bills]

Just now, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

How many times was Cleveland in Allen's face immediately?  Maybe Allen needs to recognize that better, but he's still relatively inexperienced.  Think the O-line is still one good stud away from not hurting the team overall.

 

They also are a long way from having a top level WR core.  Brown and Beasley are keepers and probably Roberts for his ST play, but the rest need a big improvement from.

You see I don't think experience will make him a considerably better QB. 

[stony]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I have no idea what this means.   Can someone translate?

Just use your imagination.  It'll make more sense.  

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I sit corrected.  When the team chooses to trade up and use a 7th round pick on a known developmental project guy they initially plan to sit for his first year, they should absolutely drive his development by his draft status and not by a realistic look of where he is, what they can do to maximize his development and chance of success, and a realistic assessment of the team’s strengths/weaknesses at OL and skill positions.  Got it.

 

[the above text may or may not contain high doses of sarcasm]

 

What you are advocating just kicks the can. As the Bears are finding out to their cost. 

[dubs]

I really really like Allen too. And I hope it clicks very soon. I had a ton of hope at the beginning of the year and have liked some of the improvement I’ve seen in parts of his game. Overall though I’m losing hope and patience. At this point I’d hoped to see more than just brief flashes. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

What you are advocating just kicks the can. As the Bears are finding out to their cost. 

 

Look, this isn’t rocket science.  Some of the best QBs in the game today either sat for a couple of years, or spent their first few seasons leaning on a strong run game.  That would include Russ Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger, and Tom Brady.  Others took 3-4 years to develop.

 

If you draft a project QB, don’t put it all on his shoulders before they’re developed enough to take it.  If you don’t want to follow that strategy, don’t draft a project QB.  Mortgage the farm to sign Cousins or something.

[Hebert19]

On a positive note I am quite impressed with the 20 yard lasers today.  He made some great throws but seems like playcalling was a big issue when it counted. 

4 minutes ago, dubs said:

I really really like Allen too. And I hope it clicks very soon. I had a ton of hope at the beginning of the year and have liked some of the improvement I’ve seen in parts of his game. Overall though I’m losing hope and patience. At this point I’d hoped to see more than just brief flashes. 

He actually played well today.  If we win he gets game ball.  Not sure who watches the games 

[ny33]

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yes, but perhaps until he gets it together, the O needs to take it off his shoulders.  What kind of a “good play calling” OC can’t get a 3rd and 4 without pushing a long ball?  That’s bull crap

Other than Dawkins, Allen, and DiMarco, virtually this entire offense is new to the team. The free agency moves have been hits at good value, and we have space and flexibility next offseason. There will be plenty more lapses in execution. But the offense looks more coordinated each week. No idea why Allen can’t place deep balls even with time and space, and there’s no question that we needed to use Singletary more. I think that fans need to recognize just how bad last year’s offense was and appreciate that there will be growing pains. If we can’t hang with the Cowboys, Ravens, or Pats I’ll be more concerned, but I think there’s plenty to be optimistic about unlike past teams (Whaley’s refusal to move on from Manuel earlier, + the support around our rookie QB thrown into the fire, set the team back tremendously). I don’t think that we reasonably could have done better in the offseason relative to the rest of the league. 

[starrymessenger]

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

This. John Brown is a very good #2 receiver. Beasley is a solid slot receiver. Not good that our next guy down is a career kick returner and then we have McKenzie as a gadget guy. But I also don't know where we're going to find a top end receiver next year. If Green becomes available I'd sign him as a stop gap and draft a WR in the 1st round.

 

Our WR corps is admittedly not the strongest and could certainly do with an upgrade. Now that Beane and Coach have passed on a couple of players who could have helped raise the general level (Gordon, Sanders) we will, I assume, have to wait until the draft. But even a top shelf receiver would probably make little difference in this offence right now and there's no doubt in my mind that much better use could be made of the weapons we've already got. I think the Bills get pretty much the best out of their players on D. Much less than the best on O. IMO some of that is on Allen but it's too early to single him out. Game planning and play calling are the more likely culprits. 

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Look, this isn’t rocket science.  Some of the best QBs in the game today either sat for a couple of years, or spent their first few seasons leaning on a strong run game.  That would include Russ Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger, and Tom Brady.  Others took 3-4 years to develop.

 

If you draft a project QB, don’t put it all on his shoulders before they’re developed enough to take it.  If you don’t want to follow that strategy, don’t draft a project QB.  Mortgage the farm to sign Cousins or something.

 

Brady threw is 600 times his first full season as a starter (ie the year after he won the Superbowl). That is his 6th highest attempts year of his career. 

 

If you are hiding your QB after 20 starts the chances are you drafted the wrong Quarterback.