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First Time I have been concerned with Josh Allen

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32 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Yesterday's game troubled me quite a bit.  With two weeks to prepare for the worst team in the NFL, Singletary back,  a upgraded receiving corp including  glue hands Duke Williams and Tyler Kroft active, I expected the offense to be hitting on nearly all cylinders.   

 

You expected a group of guys who have never played a single game together to be 'hitting on all cylinders'?

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The one concern I have is Josh’s failure to recognize obvious cover zero and hot route. There’s a question if he is being coached through his mistakes well enough or if he is not responding to the coaching. He saw that same formation 3-4 times vs the Pats, and just watching him, you just knew he was getting sacked.

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Need to see him stack together 4 solid quarters, preferably against a good team.  Also want to see him process blitzes more quickly.  There were plays yesterday where he seemed to identify the hot read correctly, but then he refused to throw it there, and instead patted the ball or ran around in a panic until he was sacked.  Didn't like that.

 

But overall, hard not to still have a "Buy" rating on the guy.  When he's on, he's elite.

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Not seeing this at all.

 

Josh played pretty well. And he and Daboll appear a nice match.

 

Josh is still young, and has a lot to learn. Comparing him to the young Russell Wilson is missing that Wilson was much much more NFL-ready when he came in the league. And while our running game this year is pretty good, it doesn't compare to the Seattle version back then.

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3 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

It definitely could have been worse, but I think some of the misdirection actually threw off our timing and disrupted overall production. 

Probably. That’s the type of stuff that likely will get sorted as Allen gains more experience and the line plays together more. 
 

I wasn’t a huge fan of Spain missing A gap blitzes, and I assume some of those play calls are designed so Allen and Morse can change protections, etc. 

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3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

The one concern I have is Josh’s failure to recognize obvious cover zero and hot route. There’s a question if he is being coached through his mistakes well enough or if he is not responding to the coaching. He saw that same formation 3-4 times vs the Pats, and just watching him, you just knew he was getting sacked.

His strategy is run as fast as he can backwards and either get sacked or throw it away before he does get sacked.

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Just now, Buffalo Junction said:

Probably. That’s the type of stuff that likely will get sorted as Allen gains more experience and the line plays together more. 
 

I wasn’t a huge fan of Spain missing A gap blitzes, and I assume some of those play calls are designed so Allen and Morse can change protections, etc. 

🤷‍♂️ At the end of the day we overcame whatever shortcomings were perceived or created. As long as Allen is learning and the O is Gelling I'm not going to get too worked up about it.

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4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

I am absolutely with you on this. I was beyond scratching my head as the NE game unfolded. It was as if he chose to try to exploit NE's primary strengths rather than weaknesses. The gameplan he had in Tenn is exactly what he should have doen with NE. Early in yesterday's game, it was as if he wanted to be overly creative against a bad defensive team...

 

That is exactly what I felt.  I thought Daboll had scripted a bunch of cute stuff initially that he thought he could trial out against a team of pushovers and was slow to abandon it.  To his defense, it was a few missed opportunities and some "not taking what the defense is giving you" away from working, but it still seemed too cute.

 

I have totally mixed feelings about Daboll as well as Allen.  Allen has youth and inexperience to excuse him.  This is Daboll's 4th OC gig.  At times, his play design and playcalling are excellent to even brilliant.  At other times, I feel he is storing his cranium somewhere dark and moist and failing to craft games appropriately for a young, developing QB and an OL that has scarcely played together.  Bobby Johnson >>> Juan Castillo but "Coach Scar" he ain't.

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Bills Fans are the battered wives of the NFL: too damaged to leave and always in fear.

 

You'd never know this team is 5-1 and winning games they should be winning.

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Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:

🤷‍♂️ At the end of the day we overcame whatever shortcomings were perceived or created. As long as Allen is learning and the O is Gelling I'm not going to get too worked up about it.

Neither am I. The kid keeps eliminating weaknesses in his game, and I honestly thought he’d be getting his first start now instead of his 17th. 

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Just now, IDBillzFan said:

Bills Fans are the battered wives of the NFL: too damaged to leave and always in fear.

 

You'd never know this team is 5-1 and winning games they should be winning.

When you don’t come close to covering the spread, you underperformed relative to your expectations, record or no.

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1 minute ago, IDBillzFan said:

Bills Fans are the battered wives of the NFL: too damaged to leave and always in fear.

 

You'd never know this team is 5-1 and winning games they should be winning.

 

This guy gets it. I'd add to this that they're generally NOT football-smart.

 

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Josh Allen is a solid starter

 

he will never be a Top 10 QB

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1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That is exactly what I felt.  I thought Daboll had scripted a bunch of cute stuff initially that he thought he could trial out against a team of pushovers and was slow to abandon it.  To his defense, it was a few missed opportunities and some "not taking what the defense is giving you" away from working, but it still seemed too cute.

 

I have totally mixed feelings about Daboll as well as Allen.  Allen has youth and inexperience to excuse him.  This is Daboll's 4th OC gig.  At times, his play design and playcalling are excellent to even brilliant.  At other times, I feel he is storing his cranium somewhere dark and moist and failing to craft games appropriately for a young, developing QB and an OL that has scarcely played together.  Bobby Johnson >>> Juan Castillo but "Coach Scar" he ain't.

Haahaa! Yeah, there are times I really wonder what is going on Daboll's head - there are moments I feel like he is demonstrating upper echelon OC abilities and moments wher I just go, WTF? Like you say, at least Allen can fall back on his youth and inexperience to explain those moments of not recognizing something or just making bone-headed mistakes

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7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Will this never end...

 

I am going to have to go with probably not.

 

Same crowd yammering for Barkley to start, then mysteriously lost their voice after watching him against NE.

 

Same crowd that forgot what every journeyman QB looked like behind center for this team last year (the short time they were upright) before the coaches turned to Allen in desparation and he gave this team a spark.

 

Is what it is, I concede that Allen needs to get better in areas, but he is this teams best option behind center.

 

 

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Never?

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Just now, papazoid said:

Josh Allen is a solid starter

 

he will never be a Top 10 QB

Some here said that Tyrod was a TOP 10 QB and look how that turned out!!! 

 

As long as the Bills make the playoffs and Win ...  I don't care if he's a top 10.  (well I do but  you know.) he could be Top 10  .  Top 5 ... thats another story 
 

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3 minutes ago, papazoid said:

Josh Allen is a solid starter

 

he will never be a Top 10 QB

If everything came together right I could certainly see him having a season like Cam's MVP season. 

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23 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:
25 minutes ago, Ray Finkel said:

No matter what offense Josh plays in he will have accuracy issues.  He had them in college and still has them.  I thought pro coaches could help him but it hasn’t happened.  I know his accuracy percentage is up but he still has not developed accuracy with his long ball.  He still has head scratching misses on some shorter passes.

 

Will this never end...

 

about the same time Tranny's 62% completion rate thread ends 

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4 minutes ago, papazoid said:

Josh Allen is a solid starter

 

he will never be a Top 10 QB

Never is such a definitive adjective...so authoritative and unconditionally conclusive. You seem quite omniscient...

 

Can you tell us what is going to happen in the stock market over the next few years?

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2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

Exactly, he just decided to register after all of these years to tell us Allen sucks...

 

Or maybe he's not telling you the truth that he's never posted before.

Folks, generally speaking - not cool. 

There are people who run sock puppets here and we recognize it and let it slide, as long as they don't abuse it or misrepresent themselves.

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Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Or maybe he's not telling you the truth that he's never posted before.

Folks, generally speaking - not cool. 

There are people who run sock puppets here and we recognize it and let it slide, as long as they don't abuse it or misrepresent themselves.

 

Takes huevos to post on the same account for 20 years ;)

 

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32 minutes ago, DasNootz said:

I've re-watched the game and I think Allen was just fine. He didn't put up 300, but he did what he was asked to do.  He threw behind Beasely early in the game and missed on the two deep balls - outside of that he did well. He didn't have enough pass attempts to put up the huge stats that everyone wants to see without hitting a deep ball.  Knox drop alone cost him 4% in his completion percentage and probably 15-20 yards.  Beasely didn't come up with a very catchable ball on an out as well - which won't go down as a drop on the stat sheet but most NFL WRs would have come up with it.  Would have, could have, should have... I get it - but if both players made those routine plays, his stat line reads 18/26 (69%) for 240, 2 TDs 0 INTs and 32 yards rushing on 4 carries.  I'll take that.

 

I'll call it here - next week he'll have his 300 yards passing.

 

 

I was thinking the same thing regarding Allen 1st 300 game. I’ll add to that and say he will run for at least 75 yards. 

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49 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

right?

 

The DEFENSE is the reason that game was close. They underperformed mightily. The O put up 24 points.

 

I agree with this.  We all knew it was the defense that won the first 4 games, and kept us in the NE game.

 

Yesterday the offense won the game.

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why do threads like this or the ridiculous post come after a WIN

 

A

 

*****

 

WIN!!!

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