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Brandon Beane’s approach to the trade deadline - May intensify after yesterday

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27 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I'm a win now guy. And I'm also a build on your strength guy. A dominant pass rusher would make this defense terrifying. 

Another WR or RT probably won't mean much this year, but if the can land a speed WR or a RT for the stretch run it could help.

Yes...always nice to have insurance.

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30 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I'm a win now guy. And I'm also a build on your strength guy. A dominant pass rusher would make this defense terrifying. 

Another WR or RT probably won't mean much this year, but if the can land a speed WR or a RT for the stretch run it could help.

 

I think a dominant DE would make this defense at the level as Denver a few years back.  Unfortunately those guys are hard to come by.

I would be very happy with another good WR but a good pass rushing DE...I would have to change my underwear.

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5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I think a dominant DE would make this defense at the level as Denver a few years back.  Unfortunately those guys are hard to come by.

I would be very happy with another good WR but a good pass rushing DE...I would have to change my underwear.

Seahawks fans thought the same thing when they got Clowney.  Hasn’t worked out that way.

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1 minute ago, mannc said:

Seahawks fans thought the same thing when they got Clowney.  Hasn’t worked out that way.

Miller is a better pass rusher and all around player than Clowney. Clowney, not unlike CJ Spiller, is more athlete than football player. Just doesn't make the plays when needed most. But your premise is correct, they could trade for Miller and be no better at rushing the passer. Murphy and Lawson are just not any good at pass rushing and Hughes has taken a small step back. 

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7 minutes ago, mannc said:

Seahawks fans thought the same thing when they got Clowney.  Hasn’t worked out that way.

 

What did the Broncos fans think when they acquired Demarcus Ware?  

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6 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Miller is a better pass rusher and all around player than Clowney. Clowney, not unlike CJ Spiller, is more athlete than football player. Just doesn't make the plays when needed most. But your premise is correct, they could trade for Miller and be no better at rushing the passer. Murphy and Lawson are just not any good at pass rushing and Hughes has taken a small step back. 

I know it was only one game, but Von Miller was invisible against the Chiefs on Thursday. And I believe he’s 31 years old.  I would not give up more than a third for him.  

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1 minute ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Miller is a better pass rusher and all around player than Clowney. Clowney, not unlike CJ Spiller, is more athlete than football player. Just doesn't make the plays when needed most. But your premise is correct, they could trade for Miller and be no better at rushing the passer. Murphy and Lawson are just not any good at pass rushing and Hughes has taken a small step back. 

Keep hearing Hughes has taken a step back, the truth is this player you're seeing is the player Jerry Hughes always has been.   He is a slightly above average pass rusher who sets the edge well.   He has averaged around 7 sacks a year, and thats skewed quite a bit by the two ten sack seasons he had when he played on one of the best defensive lines the Bills have ever had and wasnt facing double teams constantly.

 

The Bills, and Jerry would both benefit a ton by getting a true number one pass rusher on this team.   Hughes is a good player, but he is very far off from being a team's main pass rusher.

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21 minutes ago, mannc said:

I know it was only one game, but Von Miller was invisible against the Chiefs on Thursday. And I believe he’s 31 years old.  I would not give up more than a third for him.  

 

Once Chubb tore his ACL, teams can again scheme toward Von solely... he brings pressures at the very least, mismatches every down, and when he’s on he’s unstoppable.  He’s also a darn good run defender and all around player outside of edge rushing...

 

is this team one piece away from deep playoff run.... better answer that question first 

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8 hours ago, freddyjj said:

Yesterday showed Bills need help at:

1. SAM position behind Milano.  History shows he can't be counted on for 16 games as hurt each of first 3 years.

2. Edge Rusher.  Bills struggled to get pressure from outside despite Miami OTs being below average.  This is top trade target at deadline. 

3. WR continues to be a need on this team. Another outside target with separation skills would help. 

 

Phone lines are open at OBD 

 

 

In addition to what you listed also need a RT too.  Will not shock me that the team doesn't resign Spain so next season Ford does go to guard and you draft a true RT.  To me this is the problem too many holes worth mortgaging the future to try and fill now as opposed to keeping all your picks and fill in the off season either through the draft or FA.  If you start trading now to fill all these holes, won't have enough quality picks left.

 

Having said that of all the spots listed I'd probably think the LB may be the easiest to fill as not really looking for a starter there, just a better backup so probably don't need to give as much up either.

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8 hours ago, freddyjj said:

Yesterday showed Bills need help at:

1. SAM position behind Milano.  History shows he can't be counted on for 16 games as hurt each of first 3 years.

2. Edge Rusher.  Bills struggled to get pressure from outside despite Miami OTs being below average.  This is top trade target at deadline. 

3. WR continues to be a need on this team. Another outside target with separation skills would help. 

 

Phone lines are open at OBD 

 

 

I'd like to see us add a probowl caliber LT so we can move Dawkins to RT and kick Ford to G. Our OL is better, but still just average. Forget the absurd arguments about needing or not needing an elite #1 WR. We need a guy that can keep DC's awake at night there. Brown has been a pleasant surprise, but more is needed at WR/TE.

 

I've lost confidence in Trent Murphy. He's a very average DE and can easily be replaced. An elite edge rusher would make a noticeable difference.

 

The other position that I think needs a true #1 is outside CB. Wallace is good, but inconsistent. White is better, but not a shutdown corner. Let Wallace compete for slot CB since T Johnson can't stay healthy. That would give us perhaps the best defense in the NFL.

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Elway has stated publicly he isn't trading any one. I still wonder what it would take to pry Von Miller away from the Broncos. Right now, aside from the right side of the OL that is struggling, a legitimate edge rusher is what's really lacking on this team and what would hold us back in the playoffs. Jerry Hughes has 1.5 sacks. Shaq has 1. Darryl Johnson has 1. Trent Murphy has none. That just isn't getting it done on the outside.

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36 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

 

I'd like to see us add a probowl caliber LT so we can move Dawkins to RT and kick Ford to G. Our OL is better, but still just average. Forget the absurd arguments about needing or not needing an elite #1 WR. We need a guy that can keep DC's awake at night there. Brown has been a pleasant surprise, but more is needed at WR/TE.

 

I've lost confidence in Trent Murphy. He's a very average DE and can easily be replaced. An elite edge rusher would make a noticeable difference.

 

The other position that I think needs a true #1 is outside CB. Wallace is good, but inconsistent. White is better, but not a shutdown corner. Let Wallace compete for slot CB since T Johnson can't stay healthy. That would give us perhaps the best defense in the NFL.

 

Dawkins and Felciano have both been playing really well and are our 2 best linemen, makes no sense to move the pieces that are working. 

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36 minutes ago, Luka said:

Elway has stated publicly he isn't trading any one. I still wonder what it would take to pry Von Miller away from the Broncos. Right now, aside from the right side of the OL that is struggling, a legitimate edge rusher is what's really lacking on this team and what would hold us back in the playoffs. Jerry Hughes has 1.5 sacks. Shaq has 1. Darryl Johnson has 1. Trent Murphy has none. That just isn't getting it done on the outside.

 

We have played a few QBs with quick triggers this year - Manning, Brady, Dalton.  Could be part of the reason the numbers are low.  

 

We sacked brady 0 times... but he was legit under pressure the entire game.  

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3 hours ago, mannc said:

Seahawks fans thought the same thing when they got Clowney.  Hasn’t worked out that way.

Clowney played an outstanding game yesterday. Very disruptive 

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You have to assess, can you make a run? And if you can make a run, what would hold you back? Is there a position or positions? What's out there?”

 

Who is Brandon Beane calling an ASS ?

Seems harsh

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I don’t think any real difference makers will be available this year for the trade deadline. 
Doesn’t mean someone with a little potential can’t be found but I don’t think we will see any elite players on the move. You could see maybe Vic Beasley from the falcons for say a 5th as a one year rental type deal. Falcons should be big sellers (they aren’t trading Julio or Ridley sadly) but their season is done. I’d love to see Quinn fired and a giant fire sale in Atlanta though. What a wasted group of talent 

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2 hours ago, Luka said:

Elway has stated publicly he isn't trading any one. I still wonder what it would take to pry Von Miller away from the Broncos. Right now, aside from the right side of the OL that is struggling, a legitimate edge rusher is what's really lacking on this team and what would hold us back in the playoffs. Jerry Hughes has 1.5 sacks. Shaq has 1. Darryl Johnson has 1. Trent Murphy has none. That just isn't getting it done on the outside.

This.  We only get sacks that are coverage sacks or on blitzes.  We need waaaaay more than we are getting.  

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6 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

There is some good stuff here about the increase in trades this season:

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/10/21/rams-trade-jalen-ramsey-fmia-nfl-peter-king/

 

The Rams are not alone in bulking up on trades. Cleveland, Baltimore, Oakland, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh (!) are dipping their toes in the pool more than they used to, or more than their predecessors. This could be an outlier season regarding trades, but I doubt it. With eight days to go before the trading deadline, see how times have changed in 10 years:

 

2009: 39 trades in the calendar year, involving 50 players. Seven traded players were Pro Bowlers at least once.

2019: 54 trades (with eight days left in the period), involving 69 players. Thirteen have been to at least one Pro Bowl.

 

Today, it’s easier to find ways to measure performance. There’s a rise of analytics, there’s better technology, better and more accurate data. What we’ve found is you can find undervalued players easier than before. So I think football people are getting better at synthesizing data to find players.”

 

 

The bolded is the most important aspect, IMO.    Using analytics teams should be more able identify traits that should fit better into what they could do in THEIR offense or defense.........even if those players aren't doing it a lot in the systems they are in.    Fit has always been important but having more data to support trades will naturally embolden GM's to make them.   Also EVERY team is in a constant state of turnover nowadays...........bringing in a new player isn't a big disadvantage anymore the way it was when Polian brought in James Lofton and basically had to redshirt him the rest of the year.

 

 

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Atlanta is a team loaded with talent that has to be basically a flea market at this point. No way that coach survives so it’s probably a total rebuild. Start picking the important pieces off of them like a junk yard car

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12 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I'd put WR first ahead on any other position. 

Agreed 100%!  We need to score more points.  

 

Look what Allen has accomplished with Smoke and he’s not even an elite WR. Imagine Allen with another WR equal to or better than Smoke. 

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1 hour ago, HOUSE said:


You have to assess, can you make a run? And if you can make a run, what would hold you back? Is there a position or positions? What's out there?”

 

Who is Brandon Beane calling an ASS ?

Seems harsh

Thats exactly what it may be coming to. Have they played enough games to know exactly what they. need and who.  How much are they willing to spend? sacrifice? Do they deviate slightly from original plan?

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