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38 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Re: 2 - Who is saying this?  Otherwise, you're employing the classic straw-man argument.  

 

Re: 1 - With NFL QB's set up to succeed through rules geared toward protecting QBs and WRs, how does throwing for 202 yards against a defense that, by seasons end, will rank dead last in a number of statistical categories represent "things he needs to work on?"  

 

Miami entered today's game allowing 270 yards passing per game, have dealt their best S, and were missing their top CB today.    

 

Your taken this all to seriously, have an herbal tea and get your zen on bro, two years agos super bowl winner is 3-3 and getting their azsez handed to them by the boys right now, chill, it’s all fleeting...

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9 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Please. Trust your offense to move the ball. Your up 10 with 4 minutes left and the Dolphins burned their TOs when it was 3rd down. 

Right. So you burn their to’s and punt it up 10 with about 3:45 to go. 
 

100% ok with that. 
 

but some people need something to complain about. 

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47 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Re: 2 - Who is saying this?  Otherwise, you're employing the classic straw-man argument.  

 

Re: 1 - With NFL QB's set up to succeed through rules geared toward protecting QBs and WRs, how does throwing for 202 yards against a defense that, by seasons end, will rank dead last in a number of statistical categories represent "things he needs to work on?"  

 

Miami entered today's game allowing 270 yards passing per game, have dealt their best S, and were missing their top CB today.    

 

 

The post the guy you’re responding to used those exact words - referred to Josh Allen as a QB who is struggling.

It does help to read the post a guy is responding to before concluding it’s a straw-man

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5 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Right. So you burn their to’s and punt it up 10 with about 3:45 to go. 
 

100% ok with that. 
 

but some people need something to complain about. 

 

#StylePoints

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9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The post the guy you’re responding to used those exact words - referred to Josh Allen as a QB who is struggling.

It does help to read the post a guy is responding to before concluding it’s a straw-man

 

BADOL noted Allen struggled, but SCBills assessed the QB's play as merely "things he needs to work on."  This is a minimization of the situation IMHO.

 

A totally separate point is that I asked for something to back up the same poster's thought that McD is, to paraphrase, one of the best up and coming NFL HC's.  

 

By this record, McD doesn't rank exceptionally high and 4 near his year group outpace him.  

 

 

 

 

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53 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

BADOL noted Allen struggled, but SCBills assessed the QB's play as merely "things he needs to work on."  This is a minimization of the situation IMHO.

 

A totally separate point is that I asked for something to back up the same poster's thought that McD is, to paraphrase, one of the best up and coming NFL HC's.  

 

By this record, McD doesn't rank exceptionally high and 4 near his year group outpace him.  

 

 

 

 

Struggling and things he needs to work on mean about the same thing to me.

 

Brady struggled against McD's D despite being arguably the best QB that ever played the game. I'm confident Tom Brady and Josh Daniels will study game film before the next encounter and work on developing a better stradegy to beat Buffalo.

 

Considering not many teams can slow Tom Brady and the New England Patriots down. How does that fit into McD's ranking?

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1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Right. So you burn their to’s and punt it up 10 with about 3:45 to go. 
 

100% ok with that. 
 

but some people need something to complain about. 

They shoudve went play action on 3rd down

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7 hours ago, Figster said:

Fitzy showed us why when teams struggle they turn things over to the bearded one.

 

Not today Fitzmagic, not today.

 

Bills need another weapon on O,

 

get er done Beane man...

 

I think when Foster gets healthy finally, it'll make a difference

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So I was looking at music on YouTube and came across something weird.

 

Related image

 

How did Fitz end up on the cover?

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7 minutes ago, jlgarsh said:

 

I think when Foster gets healthy finally, it'll make a difference

Don't get me wrong, big bama fan and I like Foster.

 

A player like A J Green even at a later stage in his career is in a step above Robert Foster in my humble opinion.

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4 minutes ago, Figster said:

Don't get me wrong, big bama fan and I like Foster.

 

A player like a healthy A J Green even at a later stage in his career is in a step above Robert Foster in my humble opinion.

 

FIFY.  My problem with acquiring AJ Green is that he hasn't played a snap this season recovering from injury, and it's not clear when he will or whether he'll be himself when he does.  If he's healthy, he's way more than a step above Foster.

 

1 hour ago, BillsVet said:

 

BADOL noted Allen struggled, but SCBills assessed the QB's play as merely "things he needs to work on."  This is a minimization of the situation IMHO.

 

A totally separate point is that I asked for something to back up the same poster's thought that McD is, to paraphrase, one of the best up and coming NFL HC's.  

 

By this record, McD doesn't rank exceptionally high and 4 near his year group outpace him.  

 

 

Actually, I was mistaken - you were one of those people who used those words "QB who is struggling", then turned around and suggested no one said it and it was a straw man.

 

This win has had a very strange effect upon the posting on this board tonight.  It's almost like what the board is like after a loss.

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Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

FIFY.  My problem with acquiring AJ Green is that he hasn't played a snap this season recovering from injury, and it's not clear when he will or whether he'll be himself when he does.

If he's healthy, he's way more than a step above Foster.

You make a very good point.

 

Beane would be rolling the dice...

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Wow I completely forgot about Robert Foster this week until I saw this thread. Like I forgot he was even on the team, it's been so long.

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4 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

I agree, the bills have done it a few times this year already which is becoming a habit. Thought it cost them in the games they have done it. 

 

I wonder if it is a game plan/coach specific strategy or if McDermott is going with his gut ach time?

 

 

 

i hope not . Defense wins championships but sitting on the ball does not.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

i hope not . Defense wins championships but sitting on the ball does not.

 

 

Managing the clock properly is a big part of winning football games. Incomplete passes accomplishes nothing. If Gore rushes for a 1st down ( my moneys on Gore) we're not even talking about it.

 

With all due respect B B

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1 minute ago, Figster said:

 

Managing the clock properly is a big part of winning football games. Incomplete passes accomplishes nothing. If Gore rushes for a 1st down ( my moneys on Gore) we're not even talking about it.

 

You always get as many points as you can, there was over 2 minutes in the half and we were down, that is not the time to burn clock. Only time you do that is at the end of the game.

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

You always get as many points as you can, there was over 2 minutes in the half and we were down, that is not the time to burn clock. Only time you do that is at the end of the game.

 

 

 

My bad If you were referring to the 1st half

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52 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

FIFY.  My problem with acquiring AJ Green is that he hasn't played a snap this season recovering from injury, and it's not clear when he will or whether he'll be himself when he does.  If he's healthy, he's way more than a step above Foster.

 

 

Actually, I was mistaken - you were one of those people who used those words "QB who is struggling", then turned around and suggested no one said it and it was a straw man.

 

This win has had a very strange effect upon the posting on this board tonight.  It's almost like what the board is like after a loss.

Its real easy to pull a post/reply out of context sometimes which adds to the confusion, lol

 

Good game fellas, 

 

Enjoy the win.

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4 hours ago, y2zipper said:

The onside kick is a 0 percent play in 2019 so I lean that the drive with the Fitz rushing TD was garbage time and the Bills won when they got up by ten.

 

I think the offense made progress in that we saw 3 FG possessions where before we would see a turnover or a mistake on one of those drives before but also had the 90 yard drove after the interception and scored off the fumble. The offensive game plan is taking what the defense gives and taking some deep shots. The only drive I didn't like the playcalls was the one with 3 straight runs at the 2 minute warning.

 

The defense laid an egg early but made some timely turnovers to seal the game.

 

The Bears say ‘Hi!’

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9 hours ago, Figster said:

I've always thought Fitzpatrick would make a great coach one day.

 

Yep. He would tell quarterbacks "You'll think you can make this pass and you'll throw it but you can't. I know. I did it 600 times."

8 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Wallace was awful.  Fitz completely disrespected him all day.

They put him in man coverage which he is not nearly as good at. Fitz definitely took advantage. 

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This just in, coaches in general and McDermott in particular do not play the games to get stats, or to show off an ability to do A or B for future games. They play to win the game in front of them. Period. 

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I don't know if anyone has brought this up yet, but I think the last time the Bills returned an onside kick for a TD was in December 1999 against the Cardinals (Henry Jones did the honors). I was at that game and amazingly enough the final score of that game was also 31-21.

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20 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

Pfff. Excuses. WRs have been getting open regularly and repeatedly. A WR had FIVE YARDS of separation today and Allen overthrew him by another five. This idea that we’re running with XFL receivers and they suck needs to get put to bed. It’s BS. Josh is raw. He sucks at making reads. He can’t throw a deep ball to save his mother. Sick of people like you making excuses for this kid. He’ll get better, I am sure. He doesn’t need the constant scapegoating. Watch the f-ing tape

 

No doubt he's badly missing some long throws and his pass placement in general is not good.  But he makes up for a lot of those shortcomings by extending plays and gaining yardage with his feet.   The equation the Bills have offensively is a group of WR that create very little margin for error for the QB + a dynamic QB who needs a lot of margin for error.    That's why points have been at a premium for this offense.   Two weeks ago morons like yourself were claiming it was just because of turnovers.   Like I said then......you dumb ***** were wrong.   The WR corps in general is bottom 1/4 of the NFL.    That alone should be enough reason to be very actively trying to improve it even if you had a veteran QB.  But by all means keep wishing upon a star that Allen is going to suddenly turn into a Chad Pennington.    That's not what they drafted.   

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20 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

When does McD step in and demand simplicity from his OC for a QB who clearly is struggling?  At which point does McD recognize that he and the GM's attempts to rebuild an offense in one (!) off-season is at best providing middling results?

 

McD's first comments this past off-season at the combine were presumably an answer to the most effective criticism of his tenure:  the offense.  McCoach proceeded to say they needed to score 21 points per, which through 6 games they've done three times against a weak schedule.  

 

The HC has no more clue on offense than did Chan Gailey on defense.  They're coordinators masquerading as HC's and do not take a total view of team building, hence the other side of the ball not progressing much from 2 seasons ago.  

 

 

I think the problem McD would have is that the personnel isn't suited to succeeding playing a simplified offense.    They need to run their routes to perfection and execute the gimmick plays just to move the ball because they don't win individual matchups in the passing game.

 

Watching Allen I am continually reminded of a young John Elway.............making plays(good and bad) and helping his team win despite not putting up even "good" passing numbers by NFL standards.    Elway had only one season where he threw 20 TD's in his first 10 years and that year he threw more INT(23) than TD(22).

 

But that wasn't Elway's ceiling.........he was just limited by the personnel.  Mediocre receivers...nothing special at TE......modest RB production.

 

Enter Shannon Sharpe and Anthony Miller and Rod Smith and Ed McCaffery and his game elevated accordingly.    That's what can happen with Allen, IMO.    He's not a guy who is going to roll up 350 yard games throwing the ball 40+ times.   He's going to run around and keep chains moving and look a lot better late in games when defenses are exhausted from chasing him around and continually having to cover receivers for twice as long per pass route.   

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…..i'm annoyed they didn't award a sack to phillips on his amazing goal line play....

 

that is all.

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