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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001063730/article/patriots-stephon-gilmore-heads-list-of-top-five-nfl-cornerbacks

 

Good stuff coming from a high level CB in his day. I would argue we have 2 corners that could be considered top 10 this year as Wallace has been playing awesome as well! Exciting times!

 

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Tre'Davious White

 

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There has been a youth movement at the cornerback position, and White has been at the center of it since coming into the league in 2017. He is thriving under Sean McDermott in Buffalo as a more athletic version of Josh Norman, who had his best seasons with McDermott in Carolina. The Bills don't play a ton of man-to-man; rather, the defense works collectively to succeed in zone coverages. A form of zone McDermott uses is quarters/palms, which is a form of trap coverage. In simple terms, the cornerback reads the route of WR2 while keeping WR1 in his vision. If WR2 breaks out, the cornerback defends him and the safety takes WR1. Defenders must have a high football IQ to succeed in this defense, and White has all the necessary tools and then some, having forced three turnovers so far this season, including a game-sealing interception in Week 3

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Vontae Davis was saying the same thing, but he walked out of the interview.

 

 

 

 

This just never gets old...until my comment above.

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8 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Interesting , both the CB and safety have to make the right call or you could have a disaster.

 

So Jalen Ramsey is not in his top 5.

he sorta clears that up in the beginning saying he just hasn't played enough.

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outsiders always pump up Bills DBs

 

I'd prefer to hear about the LBs or linemen

 

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But none of his games were prime time against his former team so this can’t be valid. His playing doesn’t count. At least that’s what I’m told. 😈

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Lattimore remains in my top 5. The last two weeks he has been back to his best after a slow start to the season. He totally shut down Mike Evans on Sunday. It was hugely impressive. 

 

I called Lattimore, White, Humphrey potentially an all time corner class at draft time and so far, so good. 

 

Darius Slay and Jalen Ramsey are both still elite but have been hurt and Casey Hayward of the Chargers is another who is consistently excellent and underrated. 

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13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Lattimore remains in my top 5. The last two weeks he has been back to his best after a slow start to the season. He totally shut down Mike Evans on Sunday. It was hugely impressive. 

 

I called Lattimore, White, Humphrey potentially an all time corner class at draft time and so far, so good. 

 

Darius Slay and Jalen Ramsey are both still elite but have been hurt and Casey Hayward of the Chargers is another who is consistently excellent and underrated. 

where would you put tre?

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18 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

where would you put tre?

 

Right there in that top 5 or 6 too. 

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Always hated Hall. He was the first domino to fall in the sequence of events that cost the Bills Ben Roethlisberger in the 04 draft. Shortly after he was picked, HOU got nervous that they wouldn’t get their CB with the Bills pick and cancelled their trade with the Bills. Ugh ! 

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Am I crazy to think Levi Wallace has been better this year? That's no slight against Tre either. I think they are both top 10 in the NFL.

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IMO, Deangelo Hall, knows more about the intricacies of gambling and missing than almost anyone in the history of football.

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12 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

IMO, Deangelo Hall, knows more about the intricacies of gambling and missing than almost anyone in the history of football.

 

CB is a risky position, good thing they are off the screen 1.2 seconds after the ball is snapped

 

 

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Just now, row_33 said:

 

CB is a risky position, good thing they are off the screen 1.2 seconds after the ball is snapped

 

 

Yup. But so risky that you don't do it so often. :lol:

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Tre' is another Josh Norman.  Great in his system, but very much limited to that  zone system.

 

Someone else will almost certainly overpay for him thinking he's a lock-down man cover guy.  The Bills should and probably will know better.

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3 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001063730/article/patriots-stephon-gilmore-heads-list-of-top-five-nfl-cornerbacks

 

Good stuff coming from a high level CB in his day. I would argue we have 2 corners that could be considered top 10 this year as Wallace has been playing awesome as well! Exciting times!

 

3

Tre'Davious White

 

CB

Bills


There has been a youth movement at the cornerback position, and White has been at the center of it since coming into the league in 2017. He is thriving under Sean McDermott in Buffalo as a more athletic version of Josh Norman, who had his best seasons with McDermott in Carolina. The Bills don't play a ton of man-to-man; rather, the defense works collectively to succeed in zone coverages. A form of zone McDermott uses is quarters/palms, which is a form of trap coverage. In simple terms, the cornerback reads the route of WR2 while keeping WR1 in his vision. If WR2 breaks out, the cornerback defends him and the safety takes WR1. Defenders must have a high football IQ to succeed in this defense, and White has all the necessary tools and then some, having forced three turnovers so far this season, including a game-sealing interception in Week 3

 

And yet, it's a scheme where CBs are not generally going to get a lot of INTs, which like it or not, is how the position is generally measured.    It requires CBs to keep everything in front of them and isn't big on freelancing or jumping routes.   

 

Not taking away anything from 'Tre but he's unlikely to ever have big individual stats in the collectively-focused scheme the Bills play...

 

 

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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Lattimore remains in my top 5. The last two weeks he has been back to his best after a slow start to the season. He totally shut down Mike Evans on Sunday. It was hugely impressive. 

 

I called Lattimore, White, Humphrey potentially an all time corner class at draft time and so far, so good. 

 

Darius Slay and Jalen Ramsey are both still elite but have been hurt and Casey Hayward of the Chargers is another who is consistently excellent and underrated. 

 

Should have added Pat Pete to this too. We haven't seen him yet this year for suspension reasons but when we last saw him last year he still looked pretty darn awesome to me. 

 

Pat Pete, Slay, Hayward and Gilmore..... then Ramsey and the three 2017 guys. You can argue about the order but I can't think of anyone else who deserves mention in that group. Hall has Jaire Alexander in there and he has played very well this year but he needs to do it for longer before I have him in that company. 

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Love Tre.  But if Hall is going to say Tre has been top 3, then his next line should be “And Levi Wallace has been top 2”.  
 

Because as good as Tre is, Levi has been even better this year.

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1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Love Tre.  But if Hall is going to say Tre has been top 3, then his next line should be “And Levi Wallace has been top 2”.  
 

Because as good as Tre is, Levi has been even better this year.

ya. its up for debate at least. and I said in my initial post I think we have 2 corners playing at a top ten level this year for sure.

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2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

ya. its up for debate at least. and I said in my initial post I think we have 2 corners playing at a top ten level this year for sure.


Agreed.  We have without question the best secondary in the NFL IMO

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