Old Coot Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 100 Roundtable on Defensive Ends on NFL.com tonight: Bruce gave props to Ben Williams. On tape he noticed that Ben always kept his arms moving. He asked ben why & Ben replied that it kept the OT. from holding him. Bruce realized that separation from the OT was the key. If you keep separation you can run and once your hip is behind the OTs hip it's over. Jason Taylor gave props to Bruce for the way Bruce could slant his body outside of the OT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, Old Coot said: 100 Roundtable on Defensive Ends on NFL.com tonight: Bruce gave props to Ben Williams. On tape he noticed that Ben always kept his arms moving. He asked ben why & Ben replied that it kept the OT. from holding him. Bruce realized that separation from the OT was the key. If you keep separation you can run and once your hip is behind the OTs hip it's over. Jason Taylor gave props to Bruce for the way Bruce could slant his body outside of the OT. I saw that round table. None of those other guys; Howie Long, Michael Strahan, Jason Taylor, or Randy White were able to cut toward the QB like Bruce did. I'd say Jason Taylor probably came the closest, while Randy White (and Howie) played in a different era and technique. I wish we had a Bruce right now, it would make the defense elite. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offyourocker Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: I saw that round table. None of those other guys; Howie Long, Michael Strahan, Jason Taylor, or Randy White were able to cut toward the QB like Bruce did. I'd say Jason Taylor probably came the closest, while Randy White (and Howie) played in a different era and technique. I wish we had a Bruce right now, it would make the defense elite. Last sentence. So true 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 (edited) I like when Bruce said, “we don't like QB’s.” Reminded me of the “Bad Things Man” SI cover. Edited October 5, 2019 by RyanC883 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 33 minutes ago, Old Coot said: 100 Roundtable on Defensive Ends on NFL.com tonight: Bruce gave props to Ben Williams. On tape he noticed that Ben always kept his arms moving. He asked ben why & Ben replied that it kept the OT. from holding him. Bruce realized that separation from the OT was the key. If you keep separation you can run and once your hip is behind the OTs hip it's over. Jason Taylor gave props to Bruce for the way Bruce could slant his body outside of the OT. I always loved Ben Williams' game. he was always putting pressure on the QB.And he wasnt a huge guy. Those Chuck Knox era teams were great. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 37 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: I saw that round table. None of those other guys; Howie Long, Michael Strahan, Jason Taylor, or Randy White were able to cut toward the QB like Bruce did. I'd say Jason Taylor probably came the closest, while Randy White (and Howie) played in a different era and technique. I wish we had a Bruce right now, it would make the defense elite. Bruce Smith was amazing. He could take over an entire game...one man momentum shift! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 5 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: I saw that round table. None of those other guys; Howie Long, Michael Strahan, Jason Taylor, or Randy White were able to cut toward the QB like Bruce did. I'd say Jason Taylor probably came the closest, while Randy White (and Howie) played in a different era and technique. I wish we had a Bruce right now, it would make the defense elite. Adding Bruce to any defense would make it elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 Who is Ben Williams? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Who is Ben Williams? DE that played for the Bills from 76-85. Edited October 5, 2019 by Azucho98 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Solomon Grundy Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 7 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said: I saw that round table. None of those other guys; Howie Long, Michael Strahan, Jason Taylor, or Randy White were able to cut toward the QB like Bruce did. I'd say Jason Taylor probably came the closest, while Randy White (and Howie) played in a different era and technique. I wish we had a Bruce right now, it would make the defense elite. I read where Von Miller might be available. He's not a DE, but he could be another Biscuit for us. 8 hours ago, Old Coot said: 100 Roundtable on Defensive Ends on NFL.com tonight: Bruce gave props to Ben Williams. On tape he noticed that Ben always kept his arms moving. He asked ben why & Ben replied that it kept the OT. from holding him. Bruce realized that separation from the OT was the key. If you keep separation you can run and once your hip is behind the OTs hip it's over. Jason Taylor gave props to Bruce for the way Bruce could slant his body outside of the OT. It's great how he reached out to the Bills alum for tips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, the skycap said: I read where Von Miller might be available. He's not a DE, but he could be another Biscuit for us. It's great how he reached out to the Bills alum for tips. Did you mean Miller reached out to Smith? Or Smith reached out to Williams? Cuz he didn’t have to - they overlapped I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 29 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Did you mean Miller reached out to Smith? Or Smith reached out to Williams? Cuz he didn’t have to - they overlapped I think Smith to Williams. I'm saying it's great that he brought up an alum as an example as opposed to a great from another team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Did you mean Miller reached out to Smith? Or Smith reached out to Williams? Cuz he didn’t have to - they overlapped I think Bruce was a rookie in 1985 which was the last season Williams played. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 2 hours ago, the skycap said: I read where Von Miller might be available. He's not a DE, but he could be another Biscuit for us. While this would be enticing, Vonn Miller plays OLB in a 3-4 scheme. Not sure how well he would transfer over to McD's 4-3 scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stranded in Boston Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 6 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Who is Ben Williams? Oh no!! Ben Williams was a key DE in Chuck Knox's innovative 3-4 defensive scheme in the early 80s. Most folks remember the "Bermuda Triangle" from that time, with Fred Smerlas at nose tackle and Jim Haslett & (highly underrated) Shane Nelson at ILB, but Williams and Sherm White were the standout DE bookends to the triangle. Both DEs were tough against the run, great pass rushers and super steady/durable. Adding clever vet Butch Robertson and vicious hitter Lucius Sanford at OLB, and that front seven was just lethal ... I still think Bills would have won the 1980 Super Bowl if Fergy hadn't sprained his ankle. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Stranded in Boston said: Oh no!! Ben Williams was a key DE in Chuck Knox's innovative 3-4 defensive scheme in the early 80s. Most folks remember the "Bermuda Triangle" from that time, with Fred Smerlas at nose tackle and Jim Haslett & (highly underrated) Shane Nelson at ILB, but Williams and Sherm White were the standout DE bookends to the triangle. Both DEs were tough against the run, great pass rushers and super steady/durable. Adding clever vet Butch Robertson and vicious hitter Lucius Sanford at OLB, and that front seven was just lethal ... I still think Bills would have won the 1980 Super Bowl if Fergy hadn't sprained his ankle. That defense was amazing. Fergy spraining his ankle cost us against the Chargers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Stranded in Boston said: Oh no!! Ben Williams was a key DE in Chuck Knox's innovative 3-4 defensive scheme in the early 80s. Most folks remember the "Bermuda Triangle" from that time, with Fred Smerlas at nose tackle and Jim Haslett & (highly underrated) Shane Nelson at ILB, but Williams and Sherm White were the standout DE bookends to the triangle. Both DEs were tough against the run, great pass rushers and super steady/durable. Adding clever vet Butch Robertson and vicious hitter Lucius Sanford at OLB, and that front seven was just lethal ... I still think Bills would have won the 1980 Super Bowl if Fergy hadn't sprained his ankle. Well done. Most of the kids on this board have no recollection of how good that team was. I have no doubt Bills win SB with a healthy Ferguson in part to the fact the Raiders and Eagles were two of the weaker SB participants of all time. Bills D would have handled Raiders offense in AFC championship with ease as well as the Eagles offense in the SB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Well done. Most of the kids on this board have no recollection of how good that team was. I have no doubt Bills win SB with a healthy Ferguson in part to the fact the Raiders and Eagles were two of the weaker SB participants of all time. Bills D would have handled Raiders offense in AFC championship with ease as well as the Eagles offense in the SB. So true. Gentle Ben! We crushed the Raiders week 5 at home. Actually, that began the Plunkett resurgence as we broke Pastorini’s leg. They beat Cleveland in a freeze bowl in Cleveland, ending Brian Sipes’ Cardiac Kids season. We’d have whooped ‘em agin, if’n we coulda beat Fouts one more time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 And damn ferry limping around and that damn Ron smith catching that pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 14 hours ago, Azucho98 said: DE that played for the Bills from 76-85. i was watching then but didn't know many players. Its crazy the coverage we get nowadays, back then it was just the news paper, which i didnt get then. I remember Ferguson, Cribbs, Smerlas and Haslett and thats about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 7 hours ago, Stranded in Boston said: Oh no!! Ben Williams was a key DE in Chuck Knox's innovative 3-4 defensive scheme in the early 80s. Most folks remember the "Bermuda Triangle" from that time, with Fred Smerlas at nose tackle and Jim Haslett & (highly underrated) Shane Nelson at ILB, but Williams and Sherm White were the standout DE bookends to the triangle. Both DEs were tough against the run, great pass rushers and super steady/durable. Adding clever vet Butch Robertson and vicious hitter Lucius Sanford at OLB, and that front seven was just lethal ... I still think Bills would have won the 1980 Super Bowl if Fergy hadn't sprained his ankle. 1980 was my first of watching and my parents didn't so it was hard to keep up with the game. Definitely was bummed when Knox left though. 5 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: That defense was amazing. Fergy spraining his ankle cost us against the Chargers. dont remember that either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 23 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: i was watching then but didn't know many players. Its crazy the coverage we get nowadays, back then it was just the news paper, which i didnt get then. I remember Ferguson, Cribbs, Smerlas and Haslett and thats about it. Oh yeah. We had the newspapers, AM sports radio, and a young ESPN may have had some football coverage. There was much more anticipation back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: Oh yeah. We had the newspapers, AM sports radio, and a young ESPN may have had some football coverage. There was much more anticipation back then. I didn't have any of that. Heck my parents still Dont have cable and still use a rotary phone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: I didn't have any of that. Heck my parents still Dont have cable and still use a rotary phone. My grand parents were like that. They ate meat and potatoes every day, drank and lived to be 100! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 18 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: My grand parents were like that. They ate meat and potatoes every day, drank and lived to be 100! Cant beat that !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passepartout Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Oh my eating nothing but meat and potatoes. Wow! I have to have my veggies or I am not myself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stranded in Boston Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 6 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Well done. Most of the kids on this board have no recollection of how good that team was. I have no doubt Bills win SB with a healthy Ferguson in part to the fact the Raiders and Eagles were two of the weaker SB participants of all time. Bills D would have handled Raiders offense in AFC championship with ease as well as the Eagles offense in the SB. Hell yeah, Ethan ...The Bills had already dominated Oakland in the '80 regular season, holding them to zero points on offense, IIRC. In that game, Oakland also had no answer for Joe Cribbs, one of the best rookie backs I've ever seen before or since. Throw in WRs Frank Lewis and Jerry Butler and that tough offensive line, and we had a great O to match that stifling D. Good lord ... almost 40 years ago now -- where'd the time go? Now we look forward. For you youngins', I found a Youtube link to that 1980 Bills-Oakland game. Enjoy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 22 minutes ago, Stranded in Boston said: Hell yeah, Ethan ...The Bills had already dominated Oakland in the '80 regular season, holding them to zero points on offense, IIRC. In that game, Oakland also had no answer for Joe Cribbs, one of the best rookie backs I've ever seen before or since. Throw in WRs Frank Lewis and Jerry Butler and that tough offensive line, and we had a great O to match that stifling D. Good lord ... almost 40 years ago now -- where'd the time go? Now we look forward. For you youngins', I found a Youtube link to that 1980 Bills-Oakland game. Enjoy! That was a good team with a possibility that we will never know. Cribbs was electric. He wasn't the fastest guy, but once he bounced out of the backfield, he had good game speed upfield. I remember one scout describing him as "shifty and nifty" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 9 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: I didn't have any of that. Heck my parents still Dont have cable and still use a rotary phone. Do they still have a party line .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 7 hours ago, BuffaloBill said: Do they still have a party line .... technically yes, but the're the only one left so no lol. Friggin hated when someone else was on the line when you wanted to call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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