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A Few Thoughts About the *Pats game, in no particular order


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20 hours ago, Virgil said:

Again, I don’t care if he had more 3 and outs and they punted.  It’s the short field position that gave them a TD and field goal.  You just can’t make these mistakes and it seems to be getting worse.  Also, add in the sack that knocked us back 5 yards with the ensuing missed FG, and it’s another play that hurts us. 

 

The way we were punting int's on deep balls may have given us better field position!

 

After yesterdays game wonder if they are trying out punters as we speak.  Last two weeks Bojo's regressed.

 

I think the sacks also hurt alot as one time took us out of field goal range and other time on the miss made it 5 yards longer.  On the other hand if we had made both of those field goals, likely would have also kicked the one where we went for it on 4th down, plus on next to last drive would have kicked.

 

Belichick is known to do something to confuse the opposing offense, make me wonder if there was something he kept doing to confuse Allen to make him think he had the long ball wide open.

 

The question to me does Allen finally learn from this and realize what worked in Wyoming isn't going to work here.  He is still young, only played 2 years of college and not at the highest level competition wise, and he can certainly make the throws that very few others can.  Overall too the team is still weak offensively both at WR and O-line, think the interior of the line os good assuming they do move Ford in there, but at least one of not two tackle positions are shaky.  Could also use either a true #1 WR from the draft or sign another strong #2 like Brown.

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21 hours ago, Virgil said:

 

4 - “I know if I am going to have any life anymore it is because, I am still willing to fight, and die for that inch because that is what living is. The six inches in front of your face.”

 

 

I don't have a lot of experience with this sort of thing, so I am going to have to take your word for it.

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21 hours ago, Virgil said:

Talk about an emotional day.  You could see it on the field, on TSW, on social media.  This game felt like a mini-series with plot twists, theme changes, and was just an overall rollercoaster. 
 

To be clear, there is absolutely no way I can cover everything that happened in this game and I’m just going to cover the big things that stood out to me.  
 

 

7 - Daboll - This is hard for me because I’m not an Xs and Os guy.  It seems like the Pats ran the same defense they ran all season and what they did against us last year.  With that, it seems like we were completely unprepared for them today.  It’s not just getting shut down, it’s the way we were shut down.  We looked confused.  Also, where was McKenzie in this game and all the stretch/sweeps we’ve been running?  Then, we score via hurry up and then abandon it on the next drive.   The trick play was nice, and I don’t blame Yeldon there as it wasn’t an easy catch.  Overall, Daboll needs to be better in this game 

 

 

-How was that not intentional grounding by Brady?

 

 

Nice post, as usual.   I want to make a couple of comments.

 

First, people know I write a column, too.   I travel to the games, so my post on the game isn't written until Monday morning.   I make it a point to write without looking at any of the posts here, or any articles or columns anywhere, really, so the thoughts are mine.   Still, somehow, for the second week in a row, Virgil and I have been saying the same things.   I don't recall exactly what it was last week, but a major theme in my column was the same there as Virgil's.   This week, it was what an emotional game it was.   If anyone noticed, it was in both cases, great minds thinking alike!

 

Daboll - I can't say I studied the game plan, but I would guess the plan wasn't as bad as you think.  McDermott sounded like he was very disappointed in Allen, and not just because of the INTs.  He commented about how things went fine in the third quarter when he just did what he was taught to do.   So I would guess that what we saw was less of a problem with Daboll and more of a problem with Allen failing to execute the way he was supposed to.  The Pats were allowing 200 yards per game allowed before they came to Buffalo, and they coughed up 375 to the Bills.   So I'd guess Daboll's plan wasn't too shabby.  The Bills were allowing 300 yards per game and gave up 225 to the Pats.   Is anyone saying the Pats had a bad game plan?

 

I think it's more about two really good defenses and offenses trying to figure any way at all to put together consistent drives.  

 

I thought there were two other plays where intentional grounding should have been called.  Let's be realistic.   It's become the custom in the league to allow QBs to throw the ball at the feet of a screen pass receiver when the QB decides the play is busted.   It's obviously grounding, but it's not called.  Okay, I get that, although the league could just say "tough, the guy's not open, throw it someplace else.  Get out of the tackle box and throw it past the line of scrimmage."   But that's not how it's called.  I get it.

 

But what Brady is doing is something new.   He is very obviously intentionally throwing the ball away in the field of play and claiming it's okay because there was a receiver "in the vicinity."  Well, the point of the rule is that you're supposed to be trying to make a play, and Brady obviously is not.  This is the most accurate passer perhaps in the history of the league throwing the ball ten yards down the field and missing his receiver by ten yards.   Did you ever see him miss a short throw by ten yards and throw it into a cluster of defenders?  No.  The only time he misses by ten yards, he's throwing to grass.   It's a clear violation of the rule, and the league has to start calling it.   I don't know if there are any other NFL QBs doing that.   Way over the head of the receiver and out of bounds on the sideline, okay.  But throwing the ball to the middle field where no one is there is only permitted when the QB is outside the tackle box.  

 

It's another one of the smart way the Pats take advantage of interpretations of the rules.   I think they're breaking the rule and the refs are smart enough or don't have the guts to call it.  They will push the interpretation until someone calls them on it.   I suspect the officials will be discussing this play this week.  

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5 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Nice post, as usual.   I want to make a couple of comments.

 

First, people know I write a column, too.   I travel to the games, so my post on the game isn't written until Monday morning.   I make it a point to write without looking at any of the posts here, or any articles or columns anywhere, really, so the thoughts are mine.   Still, somehow, for the second week in a row, Virgil and I have been saying the same things.   I don't recall exactly what it was last week, but a major theme in my column was the same there as Virgil's.   This week, it was what an emotional game it was.   If anyone noticed, it was in both cases, great minds thinking alike!

 

Daboll - I can't say I studied the game plan, but I would guess the plan wasn't as bad as you think.  McDermott sounded like he was very disappointed in Allen, and not just because of the INTs.  He commented about how things went fine in the third quarter when he just did what he was taught to do.   So I would guess that what we saw was less of a problem with Daboll and more of a problem with Allen failing to execute the way he was supposed to.  The Pats were allowing 200 yards per game allowed before they came to Buffalo, and they coughed up 375 to the Bills.   So I'd guess Daboll's plan wasn't too shabby.  The Bills were allowing 300 yards per game and gave up 225 to the Pats.   Is anyone saying the Pats had a bad game plan?

 

I think it's more about two really good defenses and offenses trying to figure any way at all to put together consistent drives.  

 

I thought there were two other plays where intentional grounding should have been called.  Let's be realistic.   It's become the custom in the league to allow QBs to throw the ball at the feet of a screen pass receiver when the QB decides the play is busted.   It's obviously grounding, but it's not called.  Okay, I get that, although the league could just say "tough, the guy's not open, throw it someplace else.  Get out of the tackle box and throw it past the line of scrimmage."   But that's not how it's called.  I get it.

 

But what Brady is doing is something new.   He is very obviously intentionally throwing the ball away in the field of play and claiming it's okay because there was a receiver "in the vicinity."  Well, the point of the rule is that you're supposed to be trying to make a play, and Brady obviously is not.  This is the most accurate passer perhaps in the history of the league throwing the ball ten yards down the field and missing his receiver by ten yards.   Did you ever see him miss a short throw by ten yards and throw it into a cluster of defenders?  No.  The only time he misses by ten yards, he's throwing to grass.   It's a clear violation of the rule, and the league has to start calling it.   I don't know if there are any other NFL QBs doing that.   Way over the head of the receiver and out of bounds on the sideline, okay.  But throwing the ball to the middle field where no one is there is only permitted when the QB is outside the tackle box.  

 

It's another one of the smart way the Pats take advantage of interpretations of the rules.   I think they're breaking the rule and the refs are smart enough or don't have the guts to call it.  They will push the interpretation until someone calls them on it.   I suspect the officials will be discussing this play this week.  


Brady’s been doing this for years and they’ve never called it.  I don’t think they want to mess with “intent” on penalties. But more likely, not mess with Kraft

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46 minutes ago, Virgil said:


Brady’s been doing this for years and they’ve never called it.  I don’t think they want to mess with “intent” on penalties. But more likely, not mess with Kraft

True. The funny thing is, of course, earlier in the game, after the play was over they decided to call an intentional grounding when it wasn't originally thrown. And then later, when it is a worse example, they don't call it.

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57 minutes ago, Virgil said:


Brady’s been doing this for years and they’ve never called it.  I don’t think they want to mess with “intent” on penalties. But more likely, not mess with Kraft

I don't recall Brady doing this.  One reason I think it's new is that no one else does it.   Everyone has learned how to ground it on the screen pass, and they all do it.  If Brady had been doing this for years, others would have copied it by now.   Maybe I'm wrong.  

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19 hours ago, Virgil said:


credit their defensive blitz scheme.  They’ve been prolific 

No doubt a great scheme - however, I would have expected that the OL was prepared for that based on film work and while I only listened to the game not watched it, it sure sounded like the OL was getting dominated.  

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On 9/29/2019 at 6:23 PM, whatdrought said:

Allen played dumb and scared (minus the time he probably should have been scared) all day which cost us big time. That being said, the offensive line can’t be let off the hook. They need to play better. 

 

Also, I’m not sure I love the offensive play calling... not sure if Allen was taking those shots on his own, or if the calls encouraged it, but the profecient Beasley attack was curiously missing.

 

I have been wondering if one of our problems was that Belicheat was in Daboll's head.

 

The game Sunday seemed to totally deviate from the effective play calling in the first 3 games.

 

Daboll may have put additional "bogymen" in Josh's head.

 

Just a thought...

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