Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: 6 tracked dropped passes right now for Knox. Remember that dropped passes as a stat are the blatant, obvious ones. They don't include all passes that were catchable in some way. I said in that post Allen needs a big, reliable receiver. I assume you brought up Knox as a counter to that--I guess you're somehow trying to argue that Knox is that guy? If Knox were that guy and Knox alone didn't drop any passes (but everyone else on the Bills still did), Allen's completion percentage right now would be 60.1%. And then just imagine if Bills WRs could actually come down with some of those acrobatic catchable passes you see consistently across the NFL... You're right that Allen could improve his accuracy. Absolutely. But the approach of leaving him without some big bodied reliable WRs in favor of all smurfs is a disservice to a young, raw QB. From your mouth to Beane's ears, @transplantbillsfan. I'm unpersuaded that Duke is "that guy" as of yet. If he works hard on his route running and his release, sets the Juggs on high in the offseason and conditions for speed and cutting ability, it's possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: Well, for one, I watched the games. For another, the QB attempted 420 passes in 14 games despite playing from behind an appreciable amount of time. Allen had roughly the same number of attempts per game despite that the Bills were rarely trailing. And when they were, he usually lead them back to the lead. But if you feel that strongly that Taylor would've easily replicated Allen's production, despite there being zero supporting evidence, then I'll leave you to that. That’s odd. Are you implying that Taylor passed as much as Josh because the 2017 Bills trailed in more games? Let’s go through that math together. Jets, Bengals, Pats, Dolphins, Eagles, Browns, Cowboys, Ravens, Steelers, Pats were all games we trailed at some point this year. If we count games where the score was tied, that list grows even larger. Is 10 games where we trailed at some point really “rarely” trailing? It looks like an appreciable amount of games to me. Maybe you didnt watch those games though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: That’s odd. Are you implying that Taylor passed as much as Josh because the 2017 Bills trailed in more games? Let’s go through that math together. Jets, Bengals, Pats, Dolphins, Eagles, Browns, Cowboys, Ravens, Steelers, Pats were all games we trailed at some point this year. If we count games where the score was tied, that list grows even larger. Is 10 games where we trailed at some point really “rarely” trailing? It looks like an appreciable amount of games to me. Maybe you didnt watch those games though. Oh I watched, which is how I was able to estimate the result of the search that I just did before I actually did it. The 2019 Bills ranked 8th in the NFL in average scoring lead per drive at 0.72 points ahead per drive (according to Football Outsiders). The 2017 Bills ranked 19th in the NFL in that stat; they were BEHIND by an average of 2.72 points per drive. So yeah, I'm sure of what I said. 2019 Bills: Rarely trailed. 2017 Bills: seldomly ahead. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Oh I watched, which is how I was able to estimate the result of the search that I just did before I actually did it. The 2019 Bills ranked 8th in the NFL in average scoring lead per drive at 0.72 points ahead per drive (according to Football Outsiders). The 2017 Bills ranked 19th in the NFL in that stat; they were BEHIND by an average of 2.72 points per drive. So yeah, I'm sure of what I said. 2019 Bills: Rarely trailed. 2017 Bills: seldomly ahead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 54 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Well I am not quite there yet. I hope so. But he still has to keep improving for that to happen. All I am saying is he is pretty much on track at this stage but I am not ready to go to "he is definitely the guy for 10 plus years". Josh is ahead of schedule IMO. I said last year if he had a Trubisky type jump or put up a year like Baker’s rookie season, we’d be in great shape. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: You don't often see such a devastating takedown, but here we are. Btw, where do people even come up with these stats? That seems so specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 hour ago, pop gun said: I would like to know what your definition of "franchise quarterback" is, because Josh Allen is going to be the Bills QB for at least the next 10-12 years. He may be the starting QB for that long but IMO that doesn't equal franchise QB. IMO examples of franchise QB's are Brady, Brees, Rogers and Mahomes is starting to belong in that category. Guys that are top 10 in passing, TDs and completion %. I see Allen more in the tier below. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 30, 2019 Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: From your mouth to Beane's ears, @transplantbillsfan. I'm unpersuaded that Duke is "that guy" as of yet. If he works hard on his route running and his release, sets the Juggs on high in the offseason and conditions for speed and cutting ability, it's possible. The thing is... I really don't think and never did think that Duke is that guy for the team long term, though it's possible. But he could have served as a stopgap for at least this year. Other than the Eagles loss, every single one of our losses was a one score game where a play of two might have changed the outcome of an L to a W. Duke ran 2 deep routes yesterday and he had more of an impact on those 2 deep routes for the team than Foster did all season. Notice that he came close to catching that first one from Allen? It just boggles my mind at this point that Daboll can't find some use in the offense for the guy at this point. I watched him on multiple running plays just mauling defenders, too. Draft a guy in the offseason and let Duke fight for a roster spot next year, but the Robert Foster decoy strategy is simply not working and not helping Allen out at all considering he seems to feel an urge to throw it to him on those deep routes even when he isn't open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Jrb1979 said: He may be the starting QB for that long but IMO that doesn't equal franchise QB. IMO examples of franchise QB's are Brady, Brees, Rogers and Mahomes is starting to belong in that category. Guys that are top 10 in passing, TDs and completion %. I see Allen more in the tier below. So "franchise QB" = first ballot HOFer to you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So "franchise QB" = first ballot HOFer to you? Close. IMO franchise QBs are the top 5 QBs in the league. I don't consider a QB that starts multiple seasons a franchise QB. Tannehill has been been a starter for multiple seasons and no one considers him a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuelTime Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Jrb1979 said: He may be the starting QB for that long but IMO that doesn't equal franchise QB. IMO examples of franchise QB's are Brady, Brees, Rogers and Mahomes is starting to belong in that category. Guys that are top 10 in passing, TDs and completion %. I see Allen more in the tier below. 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So "franchise QB" = first ballot HOFer to you? I don't think you need to be a first ballot HOFer to be 10 top in passing.. Guys like Newton, Dalton, Ryan, Rivers, Goff, Wilson, Garoppolo, and even Carr and Cousins are all capable of leading the league in either of those metrics, and could be considered "franchise" QBs. Throw in guys like Wentz, Prescott, and Watson, and you'll realize about 15 teams are poised to sink or swim depending on how well their QB plays. The other teams are building strong defenses and run games in order to accumulate wins while trying to find their guy. If Josh can win a playoff game or two (or Super Bowl), and improve next year, I'd be ready to anoint him as the "franchise" QB. The reality is he went from below average QB with potential to average QB with potential. Lets hope that he doesn't regress next year and leaves the Bills in QB limbo for another decade (or two). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said: Close. IMO franchise QBs are the top 5 QBs in the league. I don't consider a QB that starts multiple seasons a franchise QB. Tannehill has been been a starter for multiple seasons and no one considers him a franchise QB. I've always interpreted the term "franchise QB" to mean "a guy you can win a Super Bowl with even if everything else isn't excellent around him". The top group are what I term "elite". Right now, for me, that's a very small group that consists of Mahomes, Wilson, Lamar, Brees, and probably Rodgers (though he's in decline). Then there's the rest of the franchise guys, which include (again IMO): Watson Garoppolo Goff Stafford Cousins Ryan Dak Wentz Then you've got your promising-but-not-yet-there types: Allen Darnold Murray Jones Everyone else, IMO, is probably looking over their shoulder at this point. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Jrb1979 said: Close. IMO franchise QBs are the top 5 QBs in the league. I don't consider a QB that starts multiple seasons a franchise QB. Tannehill has been been a starter for multiple seasons and no one considers him a franchise QB. What about Matthew Stafford, Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers and Derek Carr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: What about Matthew Stafford, Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers and Derek Carr? I consider them a tier below the top QBs. That's where I think Allen will most likely end up. They are good but most likely not going to carry their offense like Brees, Rogers and Mahomes do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: From your mouth to Beane's ears, @transplantbillsfan. I'm unpersuaded that Duke is "that guy" as of yet. If he works hard on his route running and his release, sets the Juggs on high in the offseason and conditions for speed and cutting ability, it's possible. I've argued for Duke all season. It's not that I necessarily think he is that guy... its more so I think he is that guy this year. The closest thing we have to it. I go back to what if it was him going for that ball to Beasley end of Pats game. What if it were Duke going for that ball end of Ravens game. Do things work out different? I'm not sure but I think Duke would have a better chance. He is good in his hands. He is good and making contested catches. He is a bigger target. He is better and boxing out the defender. That's the guy this offense needed all season. 8 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: That’s odd. Are you implying that Taylor passed as much as Josh because the 2017 Bills trailed in more games? Let’s go through that math together. Jets, Bengals, Pats, Dolphins, Eagles, Browns, Cowboys, Ravens, Steelers, Pats were all games we trailed at some point this year. If we count games where the score was tied, that list grows even larger. Is 10 games where we trailed at some point really “rarely” trailing? It looks like an appreciable amount of games to me. Maybe you didnt watch those games though. I'll throw one in the ringer. Josh is way better at picking up third and longs. One of the best in the league in fact. Taylor was check down king on third and long. I'm a guy that loved Taylor his first couple years. I seen a mile away he wasn't fit for Dennison offense. I also felt it was finally time to move on. I don't think Taylor has us where we are right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jrb1979 said: I consider them a tier below the top QBs. That's where I think Allen will most likely end up. They are good but most likely not going to carry their offense like Brees, Rogers and Mahomes do. Okay then. So your standard for Franchise QB truly is HOF QB. What about Eli? You can't possibly think he was a Franchise QB and not think Ryan is. Flacco? Cam? None of those 3, I suspect, you would qualify as Franchise QBs by your definition, but they have 4 Super Bowl appearances, 3 Lombardis, and one NFL MVP between them. Ryan was also an NFL MVP and had a Super Bowl appearance. Matthew Stafford has played for a pretty dysfunctional organization his entire career, yet he has as many 4th Quarter comebacks in his 10 seasons in the NFL as Favre did in his entire career. I think your standard for Franchise QB is silly. Edited December 31, 2019 by transplantbillsfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Scott7975 said: I've argued for Duke all season. It's not that I necessarily think he is that guy... its more so I think he is that guy this year. The closest thing we have to it. I go back to what if it was him going for that ball to Beasley end of Pats game. What if it were Duke going for that ball end of Ravens game. Do things work out different? I'm not sure but I think Duke would have a better chance. He is good in his hands. He is good and making contested catches. He is a bigger target. He is better and boxing out the defender. That's the guy this offense needed all season. I'll throw one in the ringer. Josh is way better at picking up third and longs. One of the best in the league in fact. Taylor was check down king on third and long. I'm a guy that loved Taylor his first couple years. I seen a mile away he wasn't fit for Dennison offense. I also felt it was finally time to move on. I don't think Taylor has us where we are right now. 3rd and long was a automatic punt with Tyrod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, DuckyBoys said: 3rd and long was a automatic punt with Tyrod And in 4th quarter, down by a score it was a guaranteed loss. That’s why I’m happy with what Josh is doing. He’s played his best ball in the 4th and that’s where games are decided. Edited December 31, 2019 by BananaB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 14 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Okay then. So your standard for Franchise QB truly is HOF QB. What about Eli? You can't possibly think he was a Franchise QB and not think Ryan is. Flacco? Cam? None of those 3, I suspect, you would qualify as Franchise QBs by your definition, but they have 4 Super Bowl appearances, 3 Lombardis, and one NFL MVP between them. Ryan was also an NFL MVP and had a Super Bowl appearance. Matthew Stafford has played for a pretty dysfunctional organization his entire career, yet he has as many 4th Quarter comebacks in his 10 seasons in the NFL as Favre did in his entire career. I think your standard for Franchise QB is silly. If you read what thebandit27 posted a few posts above yours that is what a franchise QB is. They are the guys that don't always need everything to go right for them to win. All those QBs you mentioned had everything go right for them to win. Yes they are elite QBs but not franchise ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 18 hours ago, thebandit27 said: I've always interpreted the term "franchise QB" to mean "a guy you can win a Super Bowl with even if everything else isn't excellent around him". The top group are what I term "elite". Right now, for me, that's a very small group that consists of Mahomes, Wilson, Lamar, Brees, and probably Rodgers (though he's in decline). Then there's the rest of the franchise guys, which include (again IMO): Watson Garoppolo Goff Stafford Cousins Ryan Dak Wentz Then you've got your promising-but-not-yet-there types: Allen Darnold Murray Jones Everyone else, IMO, is probably looking over their shoulder at this point. I'd take Wentz, Goff and depending on the day Watson off that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Jrb1979 said: If you read what thebandit27 posted a few posts above yours that is what a franchise QB is. They are the guys that don't always need everything to go right for them to win. All those QBs you mentioned had everything go right for them to win. Yes they are elite QBs but not franchise ones. Soooo... For you, Franchise QBs are a notch above Elite QBs???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: Soooo... For you, Franchise QBs are a notch above Elite QBs???? Maybe elite isn't the word. Those QBs are great but not on the same level as the top 5 ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 With the season being over we can concentrate on post season stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: With the season being over we can concentrate on post season stats Bruh... once again... ignore the threads you want to ignore. You constantly scream about how the ignore feature is great for posters, well since there isn't an ignore feature for threads, use whatever self discipline you might have and just don't click on the threads you don't want to read... and then add an extra measure of self discipline--I have faith you have enough--and don't bother posting in it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) This years QB grid came out. I thought this thread is basically trying to show Allen's improvement so here is his two year's of grids... Edited January 4, 2020 by Scott7975 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: This years QB grid came out. I thought this thread is basically trying to show Allen's improvement so here is his two year's of grids... Hapless posted the grid for last year and this year. Just by looking at this year, one can determine how Allen is performing relative to the rest of the league. Green is above average, yellow within the average, red below. In order to see the actual improvement (or regression) one would have to look at last year's grid for Josh. When one does so, it is evident that he has improved significantly, especially in throws before the los and in the 10 to 20 range right and left side. Edited January 4, 2020 by Dr. Who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Hapless posted the grid for last year and this year. Just by looking at this year, one can determine how Allen is performing relative to the rest of the league. Green is above average, yellow within the average, red below. In order to see the actual improvement (or regression) one would have to look at last year's grid for Josh. When one does so, it is evident that he has improved significantly, especially in throws before the los and in the 10 to 20 range right and left side. I did not see his post. In any case, at first it would not let me post both. Said I used too much space. They are both posted now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Scott7975 said: I did not see his post. In any case, at first it would not let me post both. Said I used too much space. They are both posted now. I never know how that posting thing works. Every time I try to post a funny meme or the like, it always seems to be a too much space situation. Board is missing out on comedy gold because I am incompetent in figuring out such things 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 23 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: This years QB grid came out. I thought this thread is basically trying to show Allen's improvement so here is his two year's of grids... I think that jives with what we've seen. He's certainly improved his short to intermediate passing immensely. For whatever reason, he struggles a bit throwing to the right side of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
switz1610 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I think that jives with what we've seen. He's certainly improved his short to intermediate passing immensely. For whatever reason, he struggles a bit throwing to the right side of the field. Right-handed QBs tend to scramble more to their right. Josh was terrible throwing on the run this year and also learned to throw the ball away more often leading to more incompletions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Give me Josh's adjusted after throwaways. I bet it goes up 5-10 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: I think that jives with what we've seen. He's certainly improved his short to intermediate passing immensely. For whatever reason, he struggles a bit throwing to the right side of the field. It may jibe with what we’ve seen. Allen doesn’t speak jive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: Give me Josh's adjusted after throwaways. I bet it goes up 5-10 points. Not a bad game to play here. Let's try adjusted completion percentage for Allen taking away both drops (22 was the number before the Jets game) and Throwaways (25) http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=232&type=Receiving https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/passing_advanced.htm?sr&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool#ks_passing_detailed_accuracy Adjusted Completion percentage = 69% Actually... just look at this reference for advanced passing stats with regard to accuracy... pretty interesting: Highest drop percentage by 1 % (which is a lot) 3 spikes (tied for 4th most) 10 batted passes (13th most) Okay. Adding the batted passes and spikes, Allen's accuracy percentage (and we still haven't looked at passes that weren't dropped but may have been catchable but were well defended or the WR wasn't looking or whatever...): Adjusted Completion percentage = 71.8% Edited January 4, 2020 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: It may jibe with what we’ve seen. Allen doesn’t speak jive Jus' hang loose, blood. She gonna catch ya up on da rebound on da med side. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuelTime Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 If he doesn't go 10/20 90 yds 0 td 1 int, I want to see him back next year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said: Not a bad game to play here. Let's try adjusted completion percentage for Allen taking away both drops (22 was the number before the Jets game) and Throwaways (25) http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=232&type=Receiving https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/passing_advanced.htm?sr&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool#ks_passing_detailed_accuracy Adjusted Completion percentage = 69% Actually... just look at this reference for advanced passing stats with regard to accuracy... pretty interesting: Highest drop percentage by 1 % (which is a lot) 3 spikes (tied for 4th most) 10 batted passes (13th most) Okay. Adding the batted passes and spikes, Allen's accuracy percentage (and we still haven't looked at passes that weren't dropped but may have been catchable but were well defended or the WR wasn't looking or whatever...): Adjusted Completion percentage = 71.8% What does that number tell us in a vacuum without a comparison vs the rest of the league? PFR has a nifty stat called “on target passing.” It excludes spikes and throwaways. It’s your percentage of throws on target. Josh ranks 21st in the NFL. Edited January 4, 2020 by BringBackOrton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: What does that number tell us in a vacuum without a comparison vs the rest of the league? PFR has a nifty stat called “on target passing.” It excludes spikes and throwaways. It’s your percentage of throws on target. Josh ranks 21st in the NFL. Yep. That's not the 32nd he currently ranks in completion percentage. Pretty massive jump. And I would say he falls very much within the standard deviation of accuracy for good NFL QBs in that range. Remember, accuracy and completion percentage in particular is not the Olympics; you don't have to be #1, you just have to be in a certain range overall. Allen had a higher on target percentage than Brady, Wentz, Goff, Stafford and Mayfield, among others, was 0.2% lower than Kyler Murray and 1.5% lower than Aaron Rodgers. The difference of 10 spots between him at 21 and Russell Wilson at 11 is a mere 3%, which is interesting considering Wilson's completion percentage was 7.3% higher than him. So if you're one of those people who believe where you're ranked in the NFL in terms of accuracy is what's most important, then obviously Allen being 21st out of 32 means he's not very good--though clearly he's a lot better than that 32nd in completion percentage would indicate. But like I said, accuracy is not the Olympics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Yep. That's not the 32nd he currently ranks in completion percentage. Pretty massive jump. And I would say he falls very much within the standard deviation of accuracy for good NFL QBs in that range. Remember, accuracy and completion percentage in particular is not the Olympics; you don't have to be #1, you just have to be in a certain range overall. Allen had a higher on target percentage than Brady, Wentz, Goff, Stafford and Mayfield, among others, was 0.2% lower than Kyler Murray and 1.5% lower than Aaron Rodgers. The difference of 10 spots between him at 21 and Russell Wilson at 11 is a mere 3%, which is interesting considering Wilson's completion percentage was 7.3% higher than him. So if you're one of those people who believe where you're ranked in the NFL in terms of accuracy is what's most important, then obviously Allen being 21st out of 32 means he's not very good--though clearly he's a lot better than that 32nd in completion percentage would indicate. But like I said, accuracy is not the Olympics. I don’t believe it’s the most important but it is important. I think that 21st in the NFL in on target passing means there’s room for improvement. Especially when Josh is top 5 in bad throw%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: Give me Josh's adjusted after throwaways. I bet it goes up 5-10 points. on deep balls? Hard to tell what’s a throw away and what’s not he’s missed open guys by 10 yards at times this year. Cute gif though Edited January 4, 2020 by JoPoy88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 6 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: on deep balls? Hard to tell what’s a throw away and what’s not he’s missed open guys by 10 yards at times this year. Cute gif though It's really not that difficult to figure out what's a throwaway vs what's a straight up miss if you're watching the plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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