AB accused for 3 instances of sexual assualt & rape against 1 woman. Lawsuit filed against him

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Buffalo86 said:

 

Me neither.  I'm just saying it wouldn't be the slightest bit surprising if he is guilty.

Right 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

6 minutes ago, MDH said:

 

Yeah, I dislike AB but everybody deserves to have to facts looked at before it impacts their livelihood. 

 

There is plenty of time for an investigation and still suspend him this year if the facts warrant it. 

If this story impacts his availability on game day I say vive le justice!  

[plenzmd1]

think of the position with Kraft and Goddell..since deflategate punishment

 

1) Nothing for Kraft and the Massage stuff

2) Gordon gets a pretty quick reinstatement

3) Nothing on Chung

4) now this

 

if he does nothing, people start to think he making up for a wrong decision in deflategate?

 

BTW, still nothing, NADA, from the league

Edited September 11, 2019 by plenzmd1

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/antonio-brown-patriots-rape-accusation-nfl-043308169.html

 

Pats caught by surprise.  

 

Awwwe.  Lmao.  

 

SUCKERS!!!!

 

[vincec]

10 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

That's understandable because you have a unique personal perspective, but I'd love to go back to a time when the accused were presumed innocent until proven guilty. That's kind of the American way; or it's supposed to be.

 

If you separate the way you feel about AB from the details here, you just might find yourself on the skeptical side. We'll see what happens.

What time was that? Unfortunately, that's never been the case as far as I can think. It would be great if Brown were presumed innocent until proven guilty and also if the victim wasn't tried and slandered in the media, but neither of these things will happen.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, Virgil said:

Does the NFL ever do things about Civil suits?  

Seems like it’ll be a non-issue 

 

It does not, normally.  However, it has loudly touted a "zero tolerance" policy towards domestic violence and sexual assault.

 

Big Ben Roethlisberger was suspended for 4 games (reduced from 6) in part because of a civil lawsuit filed by a Harrah's hotel employee, and in part because of a rape accusation (no criminal case was ever filed).  It was said at the time (quick search doesn't find good link) that it was the civil lawsuit followed by the rape accusation that caused Goodell to act.

 

 

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

man, usually like GMFB on NFL network..no mention of AB stuff yet..wow

I like GMFB as much as the next guy - but ultimately they are primarily a PR outlet for the league

[plenzmd1]

Just now, stevewin said:

I like GMFB as much as the next guy - but ultimately they are primarily a PR outlet for the league

agreed, but i was shocked they did not even acknowledge it ..combine that with no statement from the league at all yet..it does make ypu wonder

 

think this article gives a little glimpse of each side at the moment, obviously much may change

 

https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2019/09/11/patriots-antonio-brown-rape-allegations-lawsuit

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Where’s the outcry and protest lines from the Me Too movement in liberal New England? Or doesn’t it count when it’s a Patriot player?

One of the things I am actually hopeful for is Me Too marches/demonstrations outside their stadium at all home games - covered by the media.  At a minimum have it create some embarrassment and negative public opinion 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

25 minutes ago, MDH said:

Yeah, I dislike AB but everybody deserves to have to facts looked at before it impacts their livelihood.

There is plenty of time for an investigation and still suspend him this year if the facts warrant it. 

 

I actually agree with this.

 

However, with other players since 2014, Goodell has made use of the Commissioner's Exempt List, which is an attempt to have it both ways - show that the league is tough and cares about stuff while not impacting their livelihood (exempt list players still get paid).  I do not like the Exempt List, but it exists and is being used, so I think it should be used consistently

 

It is being used for lesser players whose careers need the games more - for example, Buffalo's Tyrell Dodson is on the Commissioner's Exempt List.  Now to be fair, he was arrested and arraigned on 3 misdemeanor charges, but it sounds relatively lightweight, and the point is - he's on the list WHILE the league investigates and WHILE the legal process takes place, they did not wait to complete an investigation or wait for the legal process to complete.

Again, if the league is gonna use this list, they should use it consistently, which does NOT involve waiting for an investigation to complete or for the legal process to complete.

[MAJBobby]

24 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

If this story impacts his availability on game day I say vive le justice!  

 

Not like the need him Sunday. After all they are playing the HS team that is the Mia Dolphins

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t think Big Ben’s accuser(s) filed criminal charges either. Civil suits will get you the wrath of the nfl too. 

 

One accuser filed a civil lawsuit.  The other did not file criminal charges and Big Ben was not charged.  6 games reduced to 4.

[1ManRaid]

5 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

 

When’s the last time you heard or read a white athlete, or any white guy, called a thug? What about that guy that dove into the back of Josh Allen’s knees the other day? Did you hear or see anyone call him a “thug?” Do get lost.

Yeah, I called that guy a thug too, cuz he is one.  Take your SJW crusade elsewhere, not everything is racist.

 

 

 

 

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[Keukasmallies]

AB should have some interesting conversations with Robert Kraft given the "birds of a feather" thing now in play.

[plenzmd1]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I actually agree with this.

 

However, with other players since 2014, Goodell has made use of the Commissioner's Exempt List, which is an attempt to have it both ways - show that the league is tough and cares about stuff while not impacting their livelihood (exempt list players still get paid).  I do not like the Exempt List, but it exists and is being used, so I think it should be used consistently

 

It is being used for lesser players whose careers need the games more - for example, Buffalo's Tyrell Dodson is on the Commissioner's Exempt List.  Now to be fair, he was arrested and arraigned on 3 misdemeanor charges, but it sounds relatively lightweight, and the point is - he's on the list WHILE the league investigates and WHILE the legal process takes place, they did not wait to complete an investigation or wait for the legal process to complete.

Again, if the league is gonna use this list, they should use it consistently, which does NOT involve waiting for an investigation to complete or for the legal process to complete.

i think the exempt list is a good idea for the NFL.Gives them time to do their own investigation and protect the Shield a bit..before it they are in a dmaned if ya do, damned if dont situation, this gives them some time to try and get the facts as best they can

[Hapless Bills Fan]

33 minutes ago, Buffalo86 said:

This seems pretty believable, if only because it follows the same exact pattern as Brown's actions with the Raiders:

1. Act like an ***hole
2. Issue a (supposedly) heartfelt apology
3. Act like an even bigger ***hole

Add in the fact that Brown is a complete douchebag who doesn't think the rules apply to him, and it's really hard to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

I'm quite willing to give Brown the benefit of the doubt.  I would also like to give the benefit of the doubt to his accuser and find it odd that some of the people speaking loudest about benefit of the doubt for Brown are also speaking loudest attacking his accuser.

 

The thing is, in the case of other players accused of DV and sexual assault, the Commissioner's Exempt List has been used while the "benefit of the doubt" and the legal process (if there was one) or league investigation took place.  If you're gonna use it, use it.  If you're not gonna use it consistently, lose it #freetyrel

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, Keukasmallies said:

AB should have some interesting conversations with Robert Kraft given the "birds of a feather" thing now in play.

paying for handy is a whole nother world from sexual assault and rape

Edited September 11, 2019 by plenzmd1

[RochesterRob]

59 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

They will investigate and determine whether to put him on the exempt list first. The accuser said she intends to cooperate with the NFL, which is typically the biggest hurdle because they aren’t allowed to subpoena her. 

  If it looks serious the NFL and the Pats will attempt to reach a settlement with the accuser to make it all fade away.  Rumor always was that during our SB years something similar was done involving allegations against a couple of Bills players.     

[plenzmd1]

Just now, RochesterRob said:

  If it looks serious the NFL and the Pats will attempt to reach a settlement with the accuser to make it all fade away.  Rumor always was that during our SB years something similar was done involving allegations against a couple of Bills players.     

not a prayer of that happening on the NFL side. AB can make the whole thing go away with a financial settlement, no doubt. But NFL aint gunna be a part of that ..take that to the bank

[Keukasmallies]

Just now, plenzmd1 said:

paying for handy is a whole nother world from sexual assault and rape

 

Yet the attitudes toward women are under the same tent so to speak.  It's a continuum of sleaze, you can decide on placement for yourself.

[plenzmd1]

Just now, Keukasmallies said:

 

Yet the attitudes toward women are under the same tent so to speak.  It's a continuum of sleaze, you can decide on placement for yourself.

i cant make that leap..i go to the Sundowner occasionally when in town for the game...does that make me and someone who sexually assaults a woman the same?

[RochesterRob]

2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

not a prayer of that happening on the NFL side. AB can make the whole thing go away with a financial settlement, no doubt. But NFL aint gunna be a part of that ..take that to the bank

Chances are you are correct on the league's actions but I would not put the probability at zero.  The Pats are still perceived as being in their SB window so it would be good for ratings if the Pats are unencumbered in their quest for another Lombardi Trophy.

[Cmdjr85]

29 minutes ago, vincec said:

What time was that? Unfortunately, that's never been the case as far as I can think. It would be great if Brown were presumed innocent until proven guilty and also if the victim wasn't tried and slandered in the media, but neither of these things will happen.

Not a criminal case. Hes either liable or hes not liable. 

[1ManRaid]

2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Can’t stress this enough. Civil burden of proof is preponderance of evidence rather than “beyond reasonable doubt” so everyone here saying he’s “innocent until proven guilty” are a little ahead of the game. You also have to consider the “statute of limitations” (the time in which you must commence a civil action). Not sure what FL’s SOL is for intentional tort, but in NY you must commence action within one year after the alleged assault. So I can see her commencing the lawsuit now to preserve her right to a civil judgment. The “statute of limitations” for the criminal charge of rape is much longer than one year. Don’t be surprised when the FL authorities investigate from a criminal standpoint. As we saw with Tyreek Hill, they can open and re-open criminal investigations if evidence is uncovered. 

Thanks, I hadn't even considered statute of limitations. I had considered asking my sister (who is a prosecutor and married to a judge) for their take on it but didn't get around to it.

[Your Brown Eye]

[Cmdjr85]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

The league is  investigating currently per the statement from the team. Because there isn’t a criminal suit pending , they don’t need to wait. Also, the accuser said she will cooperate fully with the nfl which should help the investigation because the nfl can’t subpeona non players or non nfl employees. 

That’s why the Nfl does an investigation 

Not by Roger’s standards. Zeke was never charged with anything. 6 games. 

There is no criminal charges because the alledged victim didnt go to the police and file a report. Of course she understands making a false police report can lead to some consequenses. Where as going down this road their is no repercussion for making a bogus claim. 

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

Chances are you are correct on the league's actions but I would not put the probability at zero.  The Pats are still perceived as being in their SB window so it would be good for ratings if the Pats are unencumbered in their quest for another Lombardi Trophy.

I don’t think this matters at all with ratings. It may even be negative  for ratings, if anything. 

[vincec]

10 minutes ago, Cmdjr85 said:

Not a criminal case. Hes either liable or hes not liable. 

Even in civil cases, the defendant is given the benefit of the doubt until the evidence is heard.

[plenzmd1]

9 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

Thanks, I hadn't even considered statute of limitations. I had considered asking my sister (who is a prosecutor and married to a judge) for their take on it but didn't get around to it.

damn, would not  want to the defendant when they in the same courtroom

Edited September 11, 2019 by plenzmd1

[BurpleBull]

11 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I have two daughters.  I hear what happens to some of their friends.  Not to the extent claimed in the AB case but I side on the womens’ side until proven wrong.

 

The league has to look into this, as do the authorities.  And we’ll see what happens.

 

We all have female relatives and having them doesn't change the fact that there are still two types of women: victims and victimizers. 

 

Just as you hear stories of what happens to your daughters' friends, I've heard of stories involving manipulation at the hands of females that either did or could have resulted in severe punishment for the guy involved with her.

 

AB is a rather flamboyant personality, he's no saint, but that doesn't blur the picture for me; too many times a halo gets placed over the heads of horned figures, on the strength of being female.

 

I'm not going for it. 

[RochesterRob]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I don’t think this matters at all with ratings. It may even be negative  for ratings, if anything. 

  It will only be negative if there are clear cut facts to be put out in the open.  This will stay at "he said, she said" as it is improbable any real evidence is sitting at the ready to be used.  Did this woman go to a police station and let them go through the routine as far as examination of a raped woman goes?  Probably not.

[Boca BIlls]

1 hour ago, 5 Wide said:

Patrick Chung is going through the legal process with Cocaine possession.... the Kraft Prostitution thing.... the shine has to start to come off the Patriot way sooner or later.

 

24 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

paying for handy is a whole nother world from sexual assault and rape

Exactly Kraft probably be like "Dude just give her money"

[vincec]

2 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said:

 

Exactly Kraft probably be like "Dude just give her money"

$1.6mm is a lot for a handy.

Edited September 11, 2019 by vincec

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  It will only be negative if there are clear cut facts to be put out in the open.  This will stay at "he said, she said" as it is improbable any real evidence is sitting at the ready to be used.  Did this woman go to a police station and let them go through the routine as far as examination of a raped woman goes?  Probably not.

Negative in terms of outside of patriot nation, it may not help ratings if the Pats appear to have an unencumbered road to the SB again. There is a ton of patriot fatigue and people are bored with that. I’m way more likely to tune in for Browns-Texans on a Sunday, for example, than Pats vs almost anyone 

Edited September 11, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[1ManRaid]

5 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

damn, would not  want to the defendant when they in the same courtroom

I don't know if she would be excused from cases he is trying, but they're both Canadian so it's chill.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Not by Roger’s standards. Zeke was never charged with anything. 6 games. 

 

Exactly.  And Big Ben.

[plenzmd1]

7 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

We all have female relatives and having them doesn't change the fact that there are still two types of women: victims and victimizers. 

 

Just as you hear stories of what happens to your daughters' friends, I've heard of stories involving manipulation at the hands of females that either did or could have resulted in severe punishment for the guy involved with her.

 

AB is a rather flamboyant personality, he's no saint, but that doesn't blur the picture for me; too many times a halo gets placed over the heads of horned figures, on the strength of being female.

 

I'm not going for it. 

I do think rich athletes especially have target on their back for manipulation, but lots of them also have been taught from high school the rules dont apply to them. Hard to know what is happening in any paritcular case i think unless more facts come out.

7 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  It will only be negative if there are clear cut facts to be put out in the open.  This will stay at "he said, she said" as it is improbable any real evidence is sitting at the ready to be used.  Did this woman go to a police station and let them go through the routine as far as examination of a raped woman goes?  Probably not.

Think this is where some attitudes are changing. Many women are not in the emotional state to be thinking clearly right after thus act of violence has been perpetrated upon them..and people are more understanding of that now. Having said that, how do you then prove any sex occurred, let alone whether it was consensual. Tough calls all the way around.

 

I mean look at all the church stuff now..i know my friend was assaulted by a priest and never reported it, and yet it happened and he just recieved payment and the priest is no longer working

Edited September 11, 2019 by plenzmd1

[oldmanfan]

6 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

We all have female relatives and having them doesn't change the fact that there are still two types of women: victims and victimizers. 

 

Just as you hear stories of what happens to your daughters' friends, I've heard of stories involving manipulation at the hands of females that either did or could have resulted in severe punishment for the guy involved with her.

 

AB is a rather flamboyant personality, he's no saint, but that doesn't blur the picture for me; too many times a halo gets placed over the heads of horned figures, on the strength of being female.

 

I'm not going for it. 

Then don't.  I think something bad happened, but we'll have to wait and see what the investigations tell us. 

[BurpleBull]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Then don't.  I think something bad happened, but we'll have to wait and see what the investigations tell us. 

 

Oh, I won't. 

[Returntoglory]

4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

I do think rich athletes especially have target on their back for manipulation, but lots of them also have been taught from high school the rules dont apply to them. Hard to know what is happening in any paritcular case i think unless more facts come out.

Think this is where some attitudes are changing. Many women are not in the emotional state to be thinking clearly right after thus act of violence has been perpetrated upon them..and people are more understanding of that now. Having said that, how do you then prove any sex occurred, let alone whether it was consensual. Tough calls all the way around

Wasn't she the one with the target on her back ?