Bills Players Kneeling in End Zone

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

I respect the service men and women.

 

Don doesn't .. Just ask him about your children born while you are on deployment.  

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

However, in doing so they are disrespecting the anthem. In doing that they are disrespecting the very veterans who DIED to bring that right to them.

 

No they arent. Youre just too lazy to bother to understand why they are doing it. If you really cared about your service, and the foundation of our country, you would actually support them.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

This is a bunch of crap made up to piss off the political bases 

[Peace Frog]

12 minutes ago, BlazinBill said:

So you have a special hatred for people that are possibly exercising the rights that you fought to protect and then since your Christian if they are doing something that agrees with you -it’s cool. Yeah that pretty much sums up people today. 

For the record I too am a veteran. And go ahead blast away, I won’t be mad because we’re allowed to have differing opinions- for now

Veteran, as well.  If players kneel during the anthem, that's their choice.  They're not harming anyone and are merely exercising one of our country's freedoms.

[Bills4Ever4Life]

38 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

When's the last time you body slammed a 12 year old child for not removing his hat during the anthem?

Look, I have literally said that I am a PROPONENT of the social injustice movement. I agree that something needs to be done. NOT the topic of my post though. I have edited this and many other messages, if not outright deleting them because I didn't want THIS. I simply wanted to post something i thought was cool. 

Edited August 30, 2019 by Bills4Ever4Life

[thebandit27]

5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

1 Screw Tebow.   

2  If Tebow were black what then? 

 

Take this to the PPP.   

 

 

 

Dude, c'mon...plenty of black athletes knelt and prayed on the field before games.  The only reason the kneeling became an issue was because it occurred during the anthem.

 

You know that.

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, Bills4Ever4Life said:

First off, I never claimed to be a "tough-guy" just a veteran. Someone who was deployed and actually fought for the very freedoms that they are using. I am not dictating to people what they should or should not be doing I am simply stating that it sucks that they did it and are still doing it in some cases. "Hey, these guys fought for our freedom to say what we want!! Let's use that to attack the thing they stood for while fighting for us!!". Not a big fan of that. Am I going around screaming for them to be removed etc. Nah. Last time I checked though I also had that same freedom of speech that I fought for and am allowed to state that I am not cool with it.

 

You seem to be very proud that you're a veteran - as you should be.

 

The national anthem is just a song.  How can an inanimate object feel disrespected?  Same goes for the flag.  I don't get that logic at all.

 

The ability/right to silently protest is one of the things veterans "fight/fought" for. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

 

Dude, c'mon...plenty of black athletes knelt and prayed on the field before games.  The only reason the kneeling became an issue was because it occurred during the anthem.

 

You know that.

 

Bandit,

This crap is old.   Like I said it was turned into a political tool.

 

Who's God?     God the Father, Jesus. Allah, Buddha, Jehovah etc etc etc ?

 

[mannc]

1 minute ago, Bills4Ever4Life said:

Look, I have literally said that I am a PROPONENT of the social injustice movement. I just didn't like how they went about using their freedoms to disrespect the very thing that gave them those freedoms to get their point across. I feel like their could be a good compromise that would get the message across without being so disrespectful.

Flags and anthems are inanimate objects.  They aren’t capable of being “disrespected”, nor are they capable of feeling anything at all.  And by the way, “Oh Canada” is a much better anthem than ”The Star Spangled Banner”.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

You seem to be very proud that you're a veteran - as you should be.

 

The national anthem is just a song.  How can an inanimate object feel disrespected?  Same goes for the flag.  I don't get that logic at all.

 

The ability/right to silently protest is one of the things veterans "fight/fought" for. 

Amen  /mic drop 

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  3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

However, in doing so they are disrespecting the anthem. In doing that they are disrespecting the very veterans who DIED to bring that right to them.

 

No they arent. Youre just too lazy to bother to understand why they are doing it. If you really cared about your service, and the foundation of our country, you would actually support them.

 

 

 

Are you arguing with yourself??

[May Day 10]

they have been doing this for years.  They are praying.  They are probably thankful for the ability to play.  Maybe fearful their livelihood could end in an instant during the game.  Who knows?  Im not a religious guy, but good for them to take a moment in the chaos for some spiritualism.  

 

Whenever I go to a game, this is the most real and human moment I witness.

[klos63]

47 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said:

 

So I have zero issues with players kneeling as long as its not during the anthem. I am a veteran and have a special hatred for those that will do anything but stand with one hand over there heart and hats removed etc. This was NOT during the anthem.

At first I thought it was the new protest. However, they didn't all kneel and stand up together. Their heads are down as if they are praying. Just wondering if anything was said about this and whether this is the new "kneel" strategy (which i approve of since its not during the anthem) or whether this is just the more spiritual players praying before the game. I had never seen this at all last year. 

I also thought it was super cool that they came out to Skillet's new song Legendary. Sweet song that is kid friendly despite being hard rock. Oh and also I loved the new Buffalo Bills props that were all synced up blowing out smoke as the player ran out. That was pretty cool too. Glad to see they didn't plan on just keeping the same old intro for a decade ;).

I hope you're not a cop.  Anyone with a special hatred of peaceful demonstrators shouldn't be anywhere near a gun or a badge.

[Bills4Ever4Life]

Just now, May Day 10 said:

they have been doing this for years.  They are praying.  They are probably thankful for the ability to play.  Maybe fearful their livelihood could end in an instant during the game.  Who knows?  Im not a religious guy, but good for them to take a moment in the chaos for some spiritualism.  

 

Whenever I go to a game, this is the most real and human moment I witness.

Thank you May Day 10. I can't believe I missed it all last year. Very cool. 

[DrDawkinstein]

6 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said:

Look, I have literally said that I am a PROPONENT of the social injustice movement. I just didn't like how they went about using their freedoms to disrespect the very thing that gave them those freedoms to get their point across. I feel like their could be a good compromise that would get the message across without being so disrespectful.

 

So people are being systematically killed in the streets, but they should be VERY CAREFUL about how they get the word out as not to offend your delicate feelings. Because that is more important than initiating change to prevent our government killing our citizens. Man, they really got you brain-washed.

[klos63]

Just now, Bills4Ever4Life said:

OMG I am editing that line if not completely taking it out. It was a bit over dramatic anyway. It wasn't what I wanted my post to be about. 

Probably a good idea, but like they say  , you can't unring the bell.

[oldmanfan]

while this thread has nothing to do with football and should be moved to the politics section, I have to say it is a microcosm of what the problem is with our country today.  Instead of talking TO each other, we talk AT each other.  Instead of being able to realize that people can have different opinions on a given topic, and that it doesn't make them evil either way, we jump on folks who dare to speak something we don't agree with.

For the record, I think it's great players kneel down and pray before and after games; at the end of games I think it's great that the teams come together to do so.  I am religious and like that, but if you're not and you don't like it then that is fine by me.  I simply disagree.  As for the anthem I always stand at games, take my hat off and face the flag as a show of respect.  I do not think it's a sign of trashing our military if a player decides to kneel during the anthem as a sign of protest against what he believes in mistreatment of minorities, he has a perfect right to do that so long as his employer is OK with him using company time as it were to do so.  I know some veterans whose blood boils at that, and I respect their thoughts on it, just as I know some veterans who believe they fought just so a player can choose to exercise his convictions in that manner.  And I respect their thoughts on the subject as well. 

 

No one here is evil because they have a different opinion than you.  They simply have a different opinion.  We have to get to a point in this country where we all understand that, or we're going to fall apart.

[thebandit27]

2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

Bandit,

This crap is old.   Like I said it was turned into a political tool.

 

Who's God?     God the Father, Jesus. Allah, Buddha, Jehovah etc etc etc ?

 

 

I have no idea what you're saying here, but the point I was making is simple: the comparison to Tebow is misplaced. A guy kneeling to pray on the sideline right before he takes the field for an offensive possession is not going to be viewed the same as a guy kneeling in protest during the anthem.

 

And yes, the kneeling has become a political tool. 

 

2 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said:

Agreed, however I would also like to state that I fully support their ABILITY to do so, while NOT being okay with it at the same time. I'm ALLOWED to think its disrespectful and to wish that they would do it at a different time. No I don't want to see any action taken against them I just wish they would move it to a different time so people could focus on the real issues their cause is about instead of their disrespect.

 

I've said from the beginning: the players are allowed to kneel, I'm allowed to think that they're buffoons for doing so, and the owners are allowed to cut them if they don't like it.

[Gugny]

5 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said:

Agreed, however I would also like to state that I fully support their ABILITY to do so, while NOT being okay with it at the same time. I'm ALLOWED to think its disrespectful and to wish that they would do it at a different time. No I don't want to see any action taken against them I just wish they would move it to a different time so people could focus on the real issues their cause is about instead of their disrespect.

 

Of course you're entitled to your opinion.  Being a veteran, however, is irrelevant.

[Max Fischer]

Damn right, the flag is not a symbol of the Constitution and the freedoms for which our country has fought and died. The flag is a dividing line between those who want a particular way of life protected and segregated from all those others who bent on destroying what we hold dear. I don’t care what those people have to say because it’s clear they don’t have the same values as the rest of us and they just hate America for not being the way we want it. When they start abiding by our standards then just maybe we’ll give them a minute to speak up but not while my favorite show is on, oh, and not if they say anything I don’t want to believe.  

[klos63]

Whatever happened to - "do this on your own time, not at work"... of course , unless you agree with it, then do it on 'our' time.

[MarkAF43]

20 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said:

Maybe special hatred is too strong. More like, a great dislike for the arrogance and ignorance of the masses. I was deployed. I have many friends who were deployed and some who never made it home. I wasn't even alive for some of the wars that took a HUGE amount of life in comparison so I can't imagine how those veterans feel. However, if you were in the military you know that standing and saluting or putting your hand over your heart during the anthem is a RESPECT thing. Do I feel they don't have the RIGHT to do what they are doing? Of course they do. However, in doing so they are disrespecting the anthem. In doing that they are disrespecting the very veterans who DIED to bring that right to them. So it all comes full circle. Sure, my friends and thousands over the years died for the right for them to do as they wish. However, they would all be rolling in their graves if they knew that how they decided to use that freedom was to disrespect the country they fought and died for. 

 

 

 

As a veteran and a current member of our military your statement is full of assumptions and opinions rather than truth. You assume all of them think and see it like you do, you assume and think it’s a disrespect to everyone who paid the ultimate price 

 

the flag has a universal meeting but it also has very individualistic meanings to many people. 

 

To assume or think all veterans living or not think the same way you do is very short sighted and truthfully just plain wrong.  

[Mango]

10 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said:

Look, I have literally said that I am a PROPONENT of the social injustice movement. I just didn't like how they went about using their freedoms to disrespect the very thing that gave them those freedoms to get their point across. I feel like their could be a good compromise that would get the message across without being so disrespectful.

 

Kneeling during the anthem was never intended to be disrespectful. In fact it was a vet that suggested it to Kaep himself. Do you find Retired Army Green Beret Nate Boyer disrespectful as well?

 

History treated Jesse Owens just fine, and it will do the same to Kaep.

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, Bills4Ever4Life said:

I disagree. It's kind of like saying that a person without kids can understand what it's like to have kids and be a parent. If you aren't a veteran. If you don't know people that DIED for the very rights that they are using. If you don't know how important that song and flag are to you when you are trying to find meaning in those deaths and all the many thousands of deaths before. Then you see people doing everything you were told was disrespectful to those symbols in your life. Yeah, its something you just don't understand as well unless you lived it. So yes, being a veteran is relevant.

 

It really isn't.

 

You really think you fought someone to protect our rights?  Who, exactly, was threatening to take them away during this battle?

 

I am so tired of veterans putting themselves above others.  You're no different than anyone who didn't spend time in the military, as far as rights go.  It's one constitution.

 

[klos63]

27 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said:

Maybe special hatred is too strong. More like, a great dislike for the arrogance and ignorance of the masses. I was deployed. I have many friends who were deployed and some who never made it home. I wasn't even alive for some of the wars that took a HUGE amount of life in comparison so I can't imagine how those veterans feel. However, if you were in the military you know that standing and saluting or putting your hand over your heart during the anthem is a RESPECT thing. Do I feel they don't have the RIGHT to do what they are doing? Of course they do. However, in doing so they are disrespecting the anthem. In doing that they are disrespecting the very veterans who DIED to bring that right to them. So it all comes full circle. Sure, my friends and thousands over the years died for the right for them to do as they wish. However, they would all be rolling in their graves if they knew that how they decided to use that freedom was to disrespect the country they fought and died for. 

 

Yes, this has nothing to do with the anthem and honestly I should have taken my opinions out of the first line of my OP. I was genuinely just trying to figure out what was going on because I hadn't seen it before. 

Yeah, I don't think you come across any less of an a$$ this way.

[Not at the table Karlos]

8 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said:

I disagree. It's kind of like saying that a person without kids can understand what it's like to have kids and be a parent. If you aren't a veteran. If you don't know people that DIED for the very rights that they are using. If you don't know how important that song and flag are to you when you are trying to find meaning in those deaths and all the many thousands of deaths before. Then you see people doing everything you were told was disrespectful to those symbols in your life. Yeah, its something you just don't understand as well unless you lived it. So yes, being a veteran is relevant.

Holy brainwash Batman

[MarkAF43]

3 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said:

Wow, I can only imagine that you are either lying or that you think these statements will never get back to your peers / those in charge of you. I can, without a doubt, tell you that that is NOT how the military viewed the flag or the anthem while I was in. Do you talk to your commander with that mouth?! "The flag has a universal meaning and very individualistic meanings" .....wth??? In what branch? I DARE you to send this statement to your supervisor / commander. I beg it of you. Let me know how your article 5 feels.

 

Wow. You’re something else. You know nothing of me and you’re going to accuse me of lying about my service? I’ve had these discussions with my Commander and supervisor. article 5? You are clearly confused. 

 

Edit. Show me where I said anything that would be considered negative. I’ll wait. 

Edited August 30, 2019 by MarkAF43

[Not at the table Karlos]

3 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said:

Wow, I can only imagine that you are either lying or that you think these statements will never get back to your peers / those in charge of you. I can, without a doubt, tell you that that is NOT how the military viewed the flag or the anthem while I was in. Do you talk to your commander with that mouth?! "The flag has a universal meaning and very individualistic meanings" .....wth??? In what branch? I DARE you to send this statement to your supervisor / commander. I beg it of you. Let me know how your article 5 feels.

Yeah they got you pretty good. It’s sad when people can’t think for themselves. 

[Bills4Ever4Life]

Allright I give up. My true intentions with this post were to find out what was going on with the kneeling over there. Thought it was cool and it's turned into a heated debate (fueled by myself)....so I am taking away the fuel. Sorry for stirring the pot. I won't respond to anything anymore unless it has to do with my original intent.

[MarkAF43]

9 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

It really isn't.

 

You really think you fought someone to protect our rights?  Who, exactly, was threatening to take them away during this battle?

 

I am so tired of veterans putting themselves above others.  You're no different than anyone who didn't spend time in the military, as far as rights go.  It's one constitution.

 

 

Gugny,

 

these are are the types of veterans that worry me. As someone with 15 years of service and counting, this is what I hope I don’t become as I get older. 

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, Bills4Ever4Life said:

Oh absolutely. Totally agree with you. Thank GOD that I didn't actually kill anyone while I was out there. Although I had plenty of friends I made while over there that did. I was in operation shock and awe and I am telling you that good people DID die for you. You don't think good people died for your rights in WW1? WW2? You think that you would still have any rights had all of them up and decided to not fight for you? WTF?

 

Unless you were in one of the World Wars, then stop pretending you defended anyone's freedom/rights.  You didn't  There was NO THREAT!

 

Your service is absolutely appreciated.  But no one owes you a damn thing.  You're an American just like all other Americans.

 

Stop pretending you're above others just because you served in the military. 

[row_33]

1 hour ago, Bills4Ever4Life said:

I've just been to a ton of games and somehow missed it before. I think its actually very cool. 

 

 

the effect of a dance routine in the EZ is captured by at most 5% of the stadium but TV makes it look like a big deal

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I wasn't calling you out. I was just pointing out that some people do that, mostly on Facebook.

 

Yep, and people of all political persuasions do it. Social media is a cesspool of fake news and endless outrage one-upmanship.

[Bills4Ever4Life]

14 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Yeah, I don't think you come across any less of an a$$ this way.

That is why I have literally deleted half my messages and edited the other half. I never wanted this and I get too heated when it comes to all of this. It's sad really because I support the cause that they are speaking about. I've been to rallies and truly do believe in it. I hate how I let my own personal feelings from my life cloud that and how I let them seep through to derail what could have been a quaint but fun topic.

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Posted just now

  3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

However, in doing so they are disrespecting the anthem. In doing that they are disrespecting the very veterans who DIED to bring that right to them.

 

No they arent. Youre just too lazy to bother to understand why they are doing it. If you really cared about your service, and the foundation of our country, you would actually support them.

 

 

 

Are you arguing with yourself??

 

Hahaha, weird! That is a quote from OP, not sure how the board injected my username in there. I defintely didnt say that.

[BringBackFergy]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Hahaha, weird! That is a quote from OP, not sure how the board injected my username in there. I defintely didnt say that.

I always thought it would be funny to have a poster argue with himself in a thread. No worries.

[MarkAF43]

6 minutes ago, Bills4Ever4Life said:

That is why I have literally deleted half my messages and edited the other half. I never wanted this and I get too heated when it comes to all of this. It's sad really because I support the cause that they are speaking about. I've been to rallies and truly do believe in it. I hate how I let my own personal feelings from my life cloud that and how I let them seep through to derail what could have been a quaint but fun topic.

 

So accusing someone of lying about service is who you are? That’s quite an interesting approach. 

 

I’m not sure about how long ago you served, how long, tank, with who, but if you’re that person who attacks when confronted with difficult conversations, you’re someone I’d absolutely distance myself from while serving. Way too much negativity and hostility. 

Edited August 30, 2019 by MarkAF43

[row_33]

15 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

I always thought it would be funny to have a poster argue with himself in a thread. No worries.

 

what's wrong with me and my 500 mults doing this?

 

[Bills4Ever4Life]

16 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Unless you were in one of the World Wars, then stop pretending you defended anyone's freedom/rights.  You didn't  There was NO THREAT!

 

Your service is absolutely appreciated.  But no one owes you a damn thing.  You're an American just like all other Americans.

 

Stop pretending you're above others just because you served in the military. 

 

3 minutes ago, MarkAF43 said:

 

So accusing someone of lying about service is who you are? That’s quite an interesting approach. 

You know what. That was uncalled for. Like I said I get heated. I know that myself and all my friends I have that are veterans are all annoyed by this. However, obviously not all current military forces are. I apologize for the assumption and hopefully we can move on. 

[Gugny]

15 minutes ago, MarkAF43 said:

 

Gugny,

 

these are are the types of veterans that worry me. As someone with 15 years of service and counting, this is what I hope I don’t become as I get older. 

 

Mark,

 

I'm very proud of my four years in the Navy.  But it's not like I stormed the beaches of Normandy.  People need to put stuff into perspective.