CuddyDark Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, thebandit27 said: Nice cop out. We're talking about a video, not a life choice here. You can pause a video; it's easy. It will also tell you what you're missing. I'm honestly not sure if you're even being serious at this point. Could Zay pause the video then make the catch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Do we really have to dissect every throw Allen makes in PRESEASON? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, CincyBillsFan said: When did he lead Beasley into traffic? I saw two completions to Beasley both of which hit him dead center. On one Beasley was able to turn up field for an extra 5 yards. I don't think he targeted him any other times? He didn't. Cuddy doesn't know what he's looking at. 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: Could Zay pause the video then make the catch? No but he could have caught it when it hit him in the hands...both hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, njbuff said: Do we really have to dissect every throw Allen makes in PRESEASON? Yes, because there's a cadre of people who INSIST he had a bad night based on completion percentage. Neglecting, of course, the fact that he hit Zay Jones in the hands with a beauty that would have had him finishing at 63% 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: Pause life before you make the wrong career choice. Zay stacked the CB and was wide open. The safety was able to get to the play because of there the ball was placed. QBs make this throw easy. Are you watching the same play that everyone else is watching? How many people have to explain that the only reason Zay takes the massive hit is because he's the one who exposed himself with the drop? If he makes the catch, he takes a hard, but routine hit. A bonafide NFL slot receiver makes the catch of that particular pass, and is safely on the ground before the safety closes in. The trajectory of the ball leads Zay to catch and land on the 1 yard line, and NOT take the hit to the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 52 minutes ago, AllenLongBall said: He did not lead Zay into the endzone, Zay had to rotate his torso 90 deg. That is NOT a "perfect" pass like some here want to claim. It should have been caught, but c'mon with the perfect pass stuff. Crossing routes, slants, posts, etc are often thrown without leading the receiver. Digs are commonly thrown low. The point is to deliver the ball in a manner which allows the receiver to slow down and protect himself. It’s par for the course when there’s a lurking safety or LB. If those balls are thrown out in front or high receivers tend to get lit up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Gunner I couldn't see the fame. thanks for your summary. It's really encouraging. Glad to hear Allen was better than his stats. Glad to hear what you said about Edminds and Oliver. Good sober comments on Singletary. Back to the process. Get better every day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: Yes, because there's a cadre of people who INSIST he had a bad night based on completion percentage. Neglecting, of course, the fact that he hit Zay Jones in the hands with a beauty that would have had him finishing at 63% I don't care about % with JA. I've said that many times. If he's 55% and hits on some big throws and a couple runs his % won't matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Didn't hit him in stride. He had to turn his body sideways and reach for the ball. If it was in stride it would have hit him in the right shoulder and he would have walked in to the endzone. Sideways but yet his front leg is still in front.... Ball placed in the direct center of his body. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: Sideways but yet his front leg is still in front.... Ball placed in the direct center of his body. INACCURATE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Could Zay pause the video then make the catch? What. Does. That. Have. To. Do. With. The. Ball. Placement. Discussion. Okay, you've convinced me: you're not actually serious about this topic. You almost had me for a minute too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 39 minutes ago, AllenLongBall said: Consistent accuracy is a component of completion percentage. Of course so are many other things like play calling and dropped balls. However, to say Allen is an accurate passer is not being truthful. It's more like wishful thinking... wishful thinking? there you go again. ignorant post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, GG said: Are you watching the same play that everyone else is watching? How many people have to explain that the only reason Zay takes the massive hit is because he's the one who exposed himself with the drop? If he makes the catch, he takes a hard, but routine hit. A bonafide NFL slot receiver makes the catch of that particular pass, and is safely on the ground before the safety closes in. The trajectory of the ball leads Zay to catch and land on the 1 yard line, and NOT take the hit to the head. And how many times do I have to say I don't agree with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, CuddyDark said: And how many times do I have to say I don't agree with this? Yes, that's obvious because you're watching a different video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: And how many times do I have to say I don't agree with this? Whether you agree or not with it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Sideways but yet his front leg is still in front.... Ball placed in the direct center of his body. The ball because of it's placement made Zay open his hips and torso to the defender. If the ball is placed on his right shoulder the catch pulls him away from the defender into the endzone. It's a routine throw for most QB. Catchable, yes. Perfect throw, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, Bangarang said: This is such a preseason argument. Sloppy all around. Time to get the starters out. Preseason for the message board too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: And how many times do I have to say I don't agree with this? Well then you're not agreeing with common sense then. Multiple and I mean multiple people have stated this. A few of these guys know the sport very well, know how to evaluate and breakdown film. I wouldn't be surprised if you thought a quarterback was a refund. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: Whether you agree or not with it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong. In your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, CuddyDark said: In your opinion. This isn't a matter of opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: You're simply incorrect on this, and you'd be really wise not to comment on career choices of other people--in this instance, it could end up making you look even sillier than you already do. I'm assuming @CuddyDark picked one that doesn't require eye sight...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Well then you're not agreeing with common sense then. Multiple and I mean multiple people have stated this. A few of these guys know the sport very well, know how to evaluate and breakdown film. I wouldn't be surprised if you thought a quarterback was a refund. You're so secure in your position that you spend most of your time making lame jokes. As if your lame jokes are somehow fact. Just now, Stank_Nasty said: I'm assuming @CuddyDark picked one that doesn't require eye sight...... You would be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: For a man who said "the oline opened up some holes for me" my question would be "well why did you only average 3 yards a carry then?" I think Singletary will have a role on this team in 2019. But it is a 3rd down guy and a change of pace guy. Because the Oline did open up a few nice holes. His 10 yard run was an example, the line got him the first 5 yds and he got the second with that wicked little duck under move. Little runners can use that to their advantage, getting small in the hole. I see Gunners point with speed though, Singletary isn't fast. He ran a lousy 4.66 at his pro day, which is about what Ed Oliver ran with an extra 80 pounds on his frame. ( incredible). He'll never be a homerun hitter in the NFL, but very few backs can get outside the edge and upfield in the pros. We watched CJ Spiller try to do it for years with limited success and he was blazing fast. Singletary is the same size as Barry Sanders 5'7 200ish. They can make guys miss, and move the chains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: The ball because of it's placement made Zay open his hips and torso to the defender. If the ball is placed on his right shoulder the catch pulls him away from the defender into the endzone. It's a routine throw for most QB. Catchable, yes. Perfect throw, no. You have now twisted yourself into a place where you're claiming that a ball throws 5" further toward the defender would take the receiver further away from the defender. Friendly suggestion: hit pause on this discussion and re-evaluate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: This isn't a matter of opinion. Then what is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, CuddyDark said: The ball because of it's placement made Zay open his hips and torso to the defender. If the ball is placed on his right shoulder the catch pulls him away from the defender into the endzone. It's a routine throw for most QB. Catchable, yes. Perfect throw, no. This the exact point where the ball hits Zay right in the hands. Where is his hip open? If he hip was open, it would be facing the DB behind him. This is a still photo, you see the exact situation. How in the hell are you now going to argue that he had to open up his hip to catch this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: The ball because of it's placement made Zay open his hips and torso to the defender. If the ball is placed on his right shoulder the catch pulls him away from the defender into the endzone. It's a routine throw for most QB. Catchable, yes. Perfect throw, no. and that's a routine catch for a wr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, CuddyDark said: Then what is it? Objective fact. Ball hits jones in stride in the hands and he drops it. NOT an inaccurate pass by ANY definition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, CuddyDark said: Then what is it? you can have an opinion.... that doesn't mean its not an awful and extremely inaccurate one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: The ball because of it's placement made Zay open his hips and torso to the defender. If the ball is placed on his right shoulder the catch pulls him away from the defender into the endzone. It's a routine throw for most QB. Catchable, yes. Perfect throw, no. I actually agree with you that the ball was more thrown on frame as opposed to leading him (although I dont think leading him would have helped cause the safety was right there, leading him would have been worse) But to say this is a routine throw for most QBs is disingenuous. That far down field a ball that is there needs to be caught. Allen certainly is not the most accurate QB in the league but your acting like a ball being off by 1.5 feet 20 yards in the air downfield is a simple toss and catch for most QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: You're so secure in your position that you spend most of your time making lame jokes. As if your lame jokes are somehow fact. You would be wrong. WTF.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: This the exact point where the ball hits Zay right in the hands. Where is his hip open? If he hip was open, it would be facing the DB behind him. This is a still photo, you see the exact situation. How in the hell are you now going to argue that he had to open up his hip to catch this. He had to open his hips to the DB out of frame. You know the only one that matters. The one that was going to hit him. If the ball is thrown to his right shoulder he catches it going upfield into the endzone. 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: Objective fact. Ball hits jones in stride in the hands and he drops it. NOT an inaccurate pass by ANY definition. We don't agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: This the exact point where the ball hits Zay right in the hands. Where is his hip open? If he hip was open, it would be facing the DB behind him. This is a still photo, you see the exact situation. How in the hell are you now going to argue that he had to open up his hip to catch this. not to mention, that without the bobble, he's not getting lit up here..... instead he opened himself up by bobbling and having to search for his own screw up...….. Edited August 9, 2019 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Ittakestime said: Singletary is slow. He's slippery but he doesn't have that immediate explosiveness to turn it into anything significant. Bodine was fine. People think its so easy to go from snapping to a 6'5 huge QB to a maybe 6'2 QB. Bodine makes the run game better. Except it was Feliciano that was snapping the ball to Allen. Not Bodine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: We don't agree. Now you're just being stubborn in your ignorance. I won't waste more keystrokes on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: you can have an opinion.... that doesn't mean its not an awful and extremely inaccurate one. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, CuddyDark said: He had to open his hips to the DB out of frame. You know the only one that matters. The one that was going to hit him. If the ball is thrown to his right shoulder he catches it going upfield into the endzone. Okay I'm done. This is just getting more stupid that I thought it could be. Geezus dude...how stubborn can one person be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 9, 2019 Author Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Da webster guy said: Because the Oline did open up a few nice holes. His 10 yard run was an example, the line got him the first 5 yds and he got the second with that wicked little duck under move. Little runners can use that to their advantage, getting small in the hole. I see Gunners point with speed though, Singletary isn't fast. He ran a lousy 4.66 at his pro day, which is about what Ed Oliver ran with an extra 80 pounds on his frame. ( incredible). He'll never be a homerun hitter in the NFL, but very few backs can get outside the edge and upfield in the pros. We watched CJ Spiller try to do it for years with limited success and he was blazing fast. Singletary is the same size as Barry Sanders 5'7 200ish. They can make guys miss, and move the chains. He absolutely can use those little duck under moves. Singletary can get through holes that are not holes for other guys. How many times have we watched Dion Lewis convert for New England running into a pile on third down but finding the slightest little crease to squeeze through? I'm not anti-Singletary and as I made quite clear in my initial post I don't really think he had a "bad" night last night. But it was a reality check for those who are talking about him being the #1 back and forcing them to trade or cut Shady. He has a role on this team. I just don't think he is a genuine every down back..... at least not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Okay I'm done. This is just getting more stupid that I thought it could be. Geezus dude...how stubborn can one person be? I'm asking myself that exact question. I want JA to be good. I want JA to make every throw as perfect as possible. I will not blindly claim he is good or that his passes are perfect. 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Now you're just being stubborn in your ignorance. I won't waste more keystrokes on you. Listen, I'm here wasting my time with half the guys on this MB who claimed Peterman would be better than Tyrod. LMAO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: He had to open his hips to the DB out of frame. You know the only one that matters. The one that was going to hit him. If the ball is thrown to his right shoulder he catches it going upfield into the endzone. We don't agree. I agree that it is totally unacceptable and unreasonable to expect Zay Jones - or ANY receiver - to catch a ball knowing they might (gasp) get hit after catching it. This isn't ***** rugby, guys!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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