Democrat Debates

[keepthefaith]

4 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....so just Bernie & Joe ??....

 

 

Well this will be interesting.  Bernie played mostly nice with Hillary in the debates in 2016.  She was such an easy target, he could have hammered her on so many things but he mostly chose not to.  Even after he learned the thing was somewhat rigged against him, he only complained mildly. 

 

Now Bernie's getting ganged up on again by his adopted party that doesn't like him.  Joe will be another sitting duck in the debate and one that represents the corporate and party Democrat establishment.  All the things Bernie rails against.  Let's see if Bernie who has not a damn thing to lose at this point of the campaign and at his age will let Joe have it the same way he gives it to the right. 

 

I'm guessing he won't do that to his old friend Joe.  He'll toe the party line of the party that is ***** with him again.  In the end that makes Bernie a wuss that when the chips are down won't fight for his supporters.  We'll see but that is my guess.  He backs down. 

Edited March 7, 2020 by keepthefaith

[TPS]

Ha! Trump pimping for Bernie!

 

 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, TPS said:

Ha! Trump pimping for Bernie!

 

 

Trump's not an idiot.  It's hard to scream socialism when every other country has various types of single payer.  What's crazy about the exit polls in every state in the primary on Super Tuesday Democratic voters supported single payer over a public option.  They even added the caveat you'd have to give up your private insurance and they still favored it. 

 

Voters bought the Biden is more electable narrative line, hook, and sinker.  It's a huge mistake. Burisma, the Iraq War vote, NAFTA, career politician, and going senile gives Trump a lot to work with.  It will be like 2016 all over again.

 

1 hour ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Well this will be interesting.  Bernie played mostly nice with Hillary in the debates in 2016.  She was such an easy target, he could have hammered her on so many things but he mostly chose not to.  Even after he learned the thing was somewhat rigged against him, he only complained mildly. 

 

Now Bernie's getting ganged up on again by his adopted party that doesn't like him.  Joe will be another sitting duck in the debate and one that represents the corporate and party Democrat establishment.  All the things Bernie rails against.  Let's see if Bernie who has not a damn thing to lose at this point of the campaign and at his age will let Joe have it the same way he gives it to the right. 

 

I'm guessing he won't do that to his old friend Joe.  He'll toe the party line of the party that is ***** with him again.  In the end that makes Bernie a wuss that when the chips are down won't fight for his supporters.  We'll see but that is my guess.  He backs down. 

Bernie would be somewhat off brand if he makes personal attacks outside policy but he might as he's in desperation mode.  I wouldn't even agree to a debate if I was Biden.  There's zero upside in it for him.

[IDBillzFan]

39 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

 Burisma, the Iraq War vote, NAFTA, career politician, and going senile gives Trump a lot to work with.

 

I keep hearing the left leaning folks talk about the Iraq War vote vote.

 

I think the only people who care about this don't account for enough votes in this matter. Hillary voted for it...hell, she explained to Code Pink why she voted for it. It''s not the reason she lost.

 

Biden has two problems, the biggest of which USED to be Burisma, but somehow, sadly, has become his age. Rhetorical flourish has turned to dementia. If he freezes on stage during the debate, he could be running again Chester A. Arthur, and he'd lose. He's a massive liability, and he needs to bow out...even if it means running Bernie.

 

 

[Prickly Pete]

6 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

I keep hearing the left leaning folks talk about the Iraq War vote vote.

 

I think the only people who care about this don't account for enough votes in this matter. Hillary voted for it...hell, she explained to Code Pink why she voted for it. It''s not the reason she lost.

 

Biden has two problems, the biggest of which USED to be Burisma, but somehow, sadly, has become his age. Rhetorical flourish has turned to dementia. If he freezes on stage during the debate, he could be running again Chester A. Arthur, and he'd lose. He's a massive liability, and he needs to bow out...even if it means running Bernie.

 

 

 

He is gonna lose it on stage for sure. What happens if he drops out, do they have some kind of redo primary, or his running mate takes over? Or does Killary step in?

[Doc Brown]

22 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

I keep hearing the left leaning folks talk about the Iraq War vote vote.

 

I think the only people who care about this don't account for enough votes in this matter. Hillary voted for it...hell, she explained to Code Pink why she voted for it. It''s not the reason she lost.

 

Biden has two problems, the biggest of which USED to be Burisma, but somehow, sadly, has become his age. Rhetorical flourish has turned to dementia. If he freezes on stage during the debate, he could be running again Chester A. Arthur, and he'd lose. He's a massive liability, and he needs to bow out...even if it means running Bernie.

 

 

It's just one of many reasons that point to poor judgment.  Same thing with Hillary.  Trump ran as an isolationist pounding the point ad nauseum that the Iraq War was a disaster and the Dems decide to run two candidates that voted for it.  Brilliant job guys.  Trying to run a bland "electable" establishment candidate against an incumbent is a death wish (Dole, Kerry, Romney).  At least they weren't going senile. 

[B-Man]

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

11 hours ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

I keep hearing the left leaning folks talk about the Iraq War vote vote.

 

I think the only people who care about this don't account for enough votes in this matter. Hillary voted for it...hell, she explained to Code Pink why she voted for it. It''s not the reason she lost.

 

Biden has two problems, the biggest of which USED to be Burisma, but somehow, sadly, has become his age. Rhetorical flourish has turned to dementia. If he freezes on stage during the debate, he could be running again Chester A. Arthur, and he'd lose. He's a massive liability, and he needs to bow out...even if it means running Bernie.

 

 

 

 

...as ignorant as I am and probably bigoted as well, I will never back off my assertion that Wolfowicz and Pearle were THE two biggest orchestrators of the Iraq war, solely for the purpose of protecting their Motherland......Hawks with their claws exposed and Bush took the bait............

[Hedge]

 

 

[Doc Brown]

58 minutes ago, Hedge said:

 

 

It doesn't matter.  Biden's going to win Michigan big and this sucker will be over by the time the debate even happens.  Biden will have a majority of delegates and it will be a normal convention.  The media will try to hide his mental decline but it will become obvious over the next six months.  Bernie will campaign for him because he's an adult who sees the bigger picture, but good luck energizing the base to turn out for him come November.

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 hour ago, Hedge said:

 

 

I'm sure the Trump Team will agree to this if (when) Biden ends up being the candidate and the two do debate.    Prolonging the inevitable. At some point, the population-at-large will learn that Joe Biden has cognitive issues.

 

[Prickly Pete]

2 hours ago, Hedge said:

 

 

 

 

"How about this. We'll have them seated for the debate, so Joe can nap when the camera is not on him? Let CNN know, and we'll get 1 minute intervals between camera shots on Joe. He'll be fresh for the duration then! If CNN won't agree, maybe we can give Joe some cocaine?"

 

 

 

 

Edited March 9, 2020 by 32ABBA

[3rdnlng]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

It doesn't matter.  Biden's going to win Michigan big and this sucker will be over by the time the debate even happens.  Biden will have a majority of delegates and it will be a normal convention.  The media will try to hide his mental decline but it will become obvious over the next six months.  Bernie will campaign for him because he's an adult who sees the bigger picture, but good luck energizing the base to turn out for him come November.

Does the "bigger picture" include campaigning for someone with cognitive issues for President of the United States? One would think that if Bernie were to do that he would be putting his partisanship and/or bias ahead of his country. 

[RochesterRob]

5 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

It doesn't matter.  Biden's going to win Michigan big and this sucker will be over by the time the debate even happens.  Biden will have a majority of delegates and it will be a normal convention.  The media will try to hide his mental decline but it will become obvious over the next six months.  Bernie will campaign for him because he's an adult who sees the bigger picture, but good luck energizing the base to turn out for him come November.

  The media has the Soviet model to refer to when shielding Biden but will require some tweaking to make it passable here.  Don't be surprised if the media pushes for a pre-recorded "debate" to isolate Biden from the world.  Trump would be a fool to agree to this but the network gets the last word on how things are done on their medium. The narrative will be that nearly all Americans do not get to attend a debate to see it live so why does it matter if it is prerecorded?  If Biden were to be elected I would expect direct access to him to be nearly impossible.  This would set the stage for a de facto government led by any number of people.  At its worst this government could take on a "Patterns of Force" type tone with a strong man (or woman) effectively running things.

[3rdnlng]

11 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  The media has the Soviet model to refer to when shielding Biden but will require some tweaking to make it passable here.  Don't be surprised if the media pushes for a pre-recorded "debate" to isolate Biden from the world.  Trump would be a fool to agree to this but the network gets the last word on how things are done on their medium. The narrative will be that nearly all Americans do not get to attend a debate to see it live so why does it matter if it is prerecorded?  If Biden were to be elected I would expect direct access to him to be nearly impossible.  This would set the stage for a de facto government led by any number of people.  At its worst this government could take on a "Patterns of Force" type tone with a strong man (or woman) effectively running things.

The return of the Deep State. They're salivating.

[B-Man]

THE FIX IS IN: 

 

DNC Changes Debate Format — Bernie Staffer Says They’re Protecting Biden.

According to the Democratic National Committee, the next debate — which is all but certain to be a head-to-head matchup between Sanders and Biden — will allow both candidates to be seated and take audience questions. This would be a dramatic change from the previous debates, during which the candidates faced questions from the moderators and stood behind lecterns for several hours.

 

“The DNC has changed the format for the next debate, where Joe Biden would have had to stand at a lectern for two hours and answer questions from professional moderators, to one where both men will be seated and answer questions from the audience,” tweeted Common Dreams senior editor and writer Eoin Higgins.

 

 

At the first presidential debate this fall, maybe Trump should come out on stage carrying a chair for Biden.

 

 

 

 

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[OldTimeAFLGuy]

31 minutes ago, B-Man said:

THE FIX IS IN: 

 

DNC Changes Debate Format — Bernie Staffer Says They’re Protecting Biden.

According to the Democratic National Committee, the next debate — which is all but certain to be a head-to-head matchup between Sanders and Biden — will allow both candidates to be seated and take audience questions. This would be a dramatic change from the previous debates, during which the candidates faced questions from the moderators and stood behind lecterns for several hours.

 

“The DNC has changed the format for the next debate, where Joe Biden would have had to stand at a lectern for two hours and answer questions from professional moderators, to one where both men will be seated and answer questions from the audience,” tweeted Common Dreams senior editor and writer Eoin Higgins.

 

 

At the first presidential debate this fall, maybe Trump should come out on stage carrying a chair for Biden.

 

 

 

 

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...Weinstein is renting out his walker for extra cash...………..

[Nanker]

On 3/7/2020 at 11:53 AM, B-Man said:

 

Jawohl. 

Weissschlonggetfirmer!

 

Edited March 9, 2020 by Nanker

[Koko78]

9 hours ago, Hedge said:

 

 

 

Honestly, I'd guess ratings. How many times do they need to have the same debate with the same issues and the same answers?

 

Doing something different may help their tanking debate ratings.

Edited March 9, 2020 by Koko78

[3rdnlng]

19 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Honestly, I'd guess ratings. How many times do they need to have the same debate with the same issues and the same answers?

 

Doing something different may help their tanking debate ratings.

I think I'll tune in to see them sit instead of stand. -)

[Foxx]

10 hours ago, Hedge said:

 

 

will the audience members be plants asking questions already fed to Obiden?

[3rdnlng]

6 minutes ago, Foxx said:

will the audience members be plants asking questions already fed to Obiden?

My guess is it probably wouldn't help him. 

[Nanker]

5 minutes ago, Foxx said:

will the audience members be plants asking questions already fed to Obiden?

I remember Biden’s debate with Sarah Palin. She repeatedly called him O’Biden and he just sat there with a *****-eating grin because he was told to not be mean to her. 

[Koko78]

12 minutes ago, Foxx said:

will the audience members be plants asking questions already fed to Obiden?

 

I thought that was a given.

[/dev/null]

The dust up over whether Bernie & Biden should debate sitting down or standing up can be resolved by allowing Tulsi Gabbard to participate in the debate and going with the Whose LIne Is It Anyway Sit/Stand/Lay Down format

 

 

[IDBillzFan]

10 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

It doesn't matter.  Biden's going to win Michigan big and this sucker will be over by the time the debate even happens.  

 

This assume Biden doesn't spend the next week or with another string of dementia videos.

 

Even the DNC isn't stupid enough to prop him up if he keeps releasing the oatmeal in his noggin'.

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Does the "bigger picture" include campaigning for someone with cognitive issues for President of the United States? One would think that if Bernie were to do that he would be putting his partisanship and/or bias ahead of his country. 

The bigger picture is electing a Democrat who can replace Ginsburg on the Supreme Court and any other openings that may arise.  It's increasing environmental regulations, raising taxes back to 39.6% on the top tax income bracket to increase the social safety net, raise the minimum wage to help give raise increases to about 40 million people by the end of his first term, and push for a reduction in military spending.  Bernie's all for those things even though he wants to go farther so he will fall in line and endorse.  

[3rdnlng]

9 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

The bigger picture is electing a Democrat who can replace Ginsburg on the Supreme Court and any other openings that may arise.  It's increasing environmental regulations, raising taxes back to 39.6% on the top tax income bracket to increase the social safety net, raise the minimum wage to help give raise increases to about 40 million people by the end of his first term, and push for a reduction in military spending.  Bernie's all for those things even though he wants to go farther so he will fall in line and endorse.  

If you haven't noticed that the rising economy has raised wages at the lower end because of supply and demand created by that same hot economy that was in turn created by the tax cuts and elimination of silly and duplicate regulations. We don't need a weaker military like it was with Obama when we didn't have spare parts even for our equipment. Oh, and you don't want Supreme Court justices that adhere to the Constitution?

[SoCal Deek]

37 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

The bigger picture is electing a Democrat who can replace Ginsburg on the Supreme Court and any other openings that may arise.  It's increasing environmental regulations, raising taxes back to 39.6% on the top tax income bracket to increase the social safety net, raise the minimum wage to help give raise increases to about 40 million people by the end of his first term, and push for a reduction in military spending.  Bernie's all for those things even though he wants to go farther so he will fall in line and endorse.  

Give me a break! You’all raised my tax rate when we were in a recession because I was told I needed to ‘help out’ in a time of crisis. I didn’t complain. I paid them. Now we’re in a time of plenty and you need to raise them back up again? RAISE YOUR OWN DAMN RATES! 

[US Egg]

So the DNC & CNN dropped their request that Bernie fan Biden with ostrich feathers and hand him crib notes throughout the debate ?

 

At least they're not making a mockery of Bernie this primary like they did in 2016.

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, I am the egg man said:

So the DNC & CNN dropped their request that Bernie fan Biden with ostrich feathers and hand him crib notes throughout the debate ?

 

At least they're not making a mockery of Bernie this primary like they did in 2016.

Should be right about time for Donna Brazil to start handing the debate questions to Uncle Joe.

[reddogblitz]

2 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

If you haven't noticed that the rising economy has raised wages at the lower end because of supply and demand created by that same hot economy that was in turn created by the tax cuts and elimination of silly and duplicate regulations. We don't need a weaker military like it was with Obama when we didn't have spare parts even for our equipment. Oh, and you don't want Supreme Court justices that adhere to the Constitution?

 

The best social program is a job.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

 

....so we have our "crash test dummy".............

Sanders faces pushback over call to make coronavirus vaccine free

 

By Andrew O'Reilly | Fox News

 

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., is facing pushback for his call over the weekend to make a future coronavirus vaccine free to the public, with critics noting the move would disincentivize pharmaceutical companies developing such a vaccine.

"Once a vaccine for coronavirus is developed, it should be free," the Democratic presidential candidate tweeted Sunday.

Tom Schatz, the president of Citizens Against Government Waste, called the pitch "a bad idea" and questioned how the government would be able to force a private company to hand over a vaccine free of charge.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sanders-faces-pushback-over-call-to-make-coronavirus-vaccine-free

 

 

[reddogblitz]

14 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....so we have our "crash test dummy".............

Sanders faces pushback over call to make coronavirus vaccine free

 

By Andrew O'Reilly | Fox News

 

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., is facing pushback for his call over the weekend to make a future coronavirus vaccine free to the public, with critics noting the move would disincentivize pharmaceutical companies developing such a vaccine.

"Once a vaccine for coronavirus is developed, it should be free," the Democratic presidential candidate tweeted Sunday.

Tom Schatz, the president of Citizens Against Government Waste, called the pitch "a bad idea" and questioned how the government would be able to force a private company to hand over a vaccine free of charge.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sanders-faces-pushback-over-call-to-make-coronavirus-vaccine-free

 

 

 

The obvious answer is the the government will buy the vaccines and then give them away like they do everything else they do that's "free".  And they will pay twice as much.  Plenty of motivation to develop a vaccine to sell to feds for twice what they would normally get. 

 

 

[RochesterRob]

8 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

The obvious answer is the the government will buy the vaccines and then give them away like they do everything else they do that's "free".  And they will pay twice as much.  Plenty of motivation to develop a vaccine to sell to feds for twice what they would normally get. 

 

 

  Development will not start until the check is cut.  Nobody is spending 100's of millions without a firm commitment namely payment to at least the extent of covering the company's cost in doing so.  

[3rdnlng]

3 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

The best social program is a job.

Yes, that's true but the dems still complain when people get taken off food stamps, not because the government is mean but because their circumstances have improved with the economic improvement. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

Bad for Biden imo

 

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[RochesterRob]

20 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

Bad for Biden imo

 

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  I'm afraid that no audience opens the door for shenanigans by those involved.  If Bernie had really wanted this he would have come after Biden much much much harder than he did.  Would Bernie lay down or not call attention to cue cards for Biden if another lavish property was promised to him?

[Koko78]

36 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

Bad for Biden imo

 

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So... a CNN personality will have to ask all of the questions that CNN wrote for the audience to ask?

[3rdnlng]

33 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  I'm afraid that no audience opens the door for shenanigans by those involved.  If Bernie had really wanted this he would have come after Biden much much much harder than he did.  Would Bernie lay down or not call attention to cue cards for Biden if another lavish property was promised to him?

Make it a dacha and the deal is sealed.