The PERFECT Steak

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 minutes ago, BUFFALOKIE said:

Enjoy brother. No way would I do all that for just myself.

 

...thanks bro...unfortunately lost my wife tragically four years ago....my kids are both local but have their own lives/agendas....we do go out to dinner together weekly...you make the best of the cards you're dealt or rot on the vine.....used to chef up Sunday dinners before her passing....

Edited July 21, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Augie]

17 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...thanks bro...unfortunately lost my wife tragically four years ago....my kids are both local but have their own lives/agendas....we do go out to dinner together weekly...you make the best of the cards you're dealt or rot on the vine.....

 

Hats off to you for having the attitude and making the effort to prepare that meal! My wife travels....a LOT. Usually about 3 weeks/month for at least part of the week. Sometimes Sunday to Friday evening. I get to eat the things she doesn’t like while she gone, but I rarely go to that much effort just for myself. But I will experiment on new stuff, as I hate to entertain with a meal I’ve never made before.  

 

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Edited July 21, 2019 by Augie

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Just now, Augie said:

 

Hats off to you for having the attitude and making the effort to prepare that meal! My wife travels....a LOT. Usually about 3 weeks/month four at least part of the week. Sometimes Sunday to Friday evening. I get to eat the things she doesn’t like while she gone, but I rarely go to that much effort just for myself. But I will experiment on new stuff, as I hate to entertain with a meal I’ve never made before.  

....Augie, as you know, my hat will ALWAYS be off to you with what you have been through.....No need to rehash.....despite posting friendship only, I envision you as a preeminent, top notch individual bar none..... I am truly honored to be in your presence and humbled by our exchange of posts...GOOD SHOW BRO.....

[Augie]

1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said:

It’s funny, I always dust steaks with kosher salt and coarse ground pepper before cooking. Then I inevitably put salt and pepper on the steak again when ready to eat it. So you don’t salt and pepper the steak before grilling/cooking?

 

I do the same thing, seasoning before I cook. Some of the best chefs in the country will tell you not to add the pepper, as it will burn and add a bitter taste. Thomas Keller (of French Laundry and Per Se fame) says salt enhances a flavor (like acid) and pepper adds a new flavor. He uses very little pepper.

 

It’s interesting the conflicting views on things we all think we know (see the Seriouseats article @plenzmd1 linked). Well, as long as we like the finished product who cares? 

[Misterbluesky]

42 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...today is flank steak marinated in a chimichurri marsala sauce, marinated lemon pepper mushrooms caps and green/red/jalapeno peppers...grand finale is roasted corn on the cob with olive oil and reggiano parmigiano....party of one though....

Never heard of chimichurri sauce OT.I

bride went to Wegmans yesterday for bison..no bison for the kabobs..she bought pre-made from the butcher.. Chicken(boneless)soaked in Wegmans italian.No pineapple,mini tomato or peppers.It was darn lousy..28 bucks for 4.Never again.I

You say olive oil for the corn..you grease the grill with olive oil or rub it into the kernels and then put the husk back on..

[Doc Brown]

My issue with steak is it's nearly impossible to reheat it without losing some or most of its flavor.  The best you can do is eat it cold.

[Misterbluesky]

28 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I do the same thing, seasoning before I cook. Some of the best chefs in the country will tell you not to add the pepper, as it will burn and add a bitter taste. Thomas Keller (of French Laundry and Per Se fame) says salt enhances a flavor (like acid) and pepper adds a new flavor. He uses very little pepper.

 

It’s interesting the conflicting views on things we all think we know (see the Seriouseats article @plenzmd1 linked). Well, as long as we like the finished product who cares? 

When I tried to nearly kick the salt habit..we went with Mrs dash.

just ok but good if you like a lemon zest kick.

P.S.- my brother loves Montreal on his steaks (heavy pepper).

 

Peace

 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

Never heard of chimichurri sauce OT.I

bride went to Wegmans yesterday for bison..no bison for the kabobs..she bought pre-made from the butcher.. Chicken(boneless)soaked in Wegmans italian.No pineapple,mini tomato or peppers.It was darn lousy..28 bucks for 4.Never again.I

You say olive oil for the corn..you grease the grill with olive oil or rub it into the kernels and then put the husk back on..

 

FYI - I’ve only seen ground bison around here. There is a nice restaurant nearby that has elk on the menu, and it was surprisingly good! I think that’s the only place I’ve seen elk before, but I’m glad I tried it. 

1 minute ago, Misterbluesky said:

When I tried to nearly kick the salt habit..we went with Mrs dash.

just ok but good if you like a lemon zest kick.

P.S.- my brother loves Montreal on his steaks (heavy pepper).

 

Peace

 

 

I have Mrs Dash for when my sister (post quadruple bypass) visits and it’s not bad at all. I also went thru a Montreal seasoning phase, and liked that quite a bit. Truth be told, we rarely have red meat any more.  I kind of think of it as a special occasion. 

[Misterbluesky]

2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

My issue with steak is it's nearly impossible to reheat it without losing some or most of its flavor.  The best you can do is eat it cold.

Hey doc..not sure if you like Mexican food..but you can do a quick heat up for a fajita..with grilled peppers and onion..sour cream etc..not bad.

Also..I am home alone a lot..so I can reheat in Gravy..low heat and the toast bread.

Open face beef sandwich..pretty tasty! I add a bit of horseradish..

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, Misterbluesky said:

Hey doc..not sure if you like Mexican food..but you can do a quick heat up for a fajita..with grilled peppers and onion..sour cream etc..not bad.

Also..I am home alone a lot..so I can reheat in Gravy..low heat and the toast bread.

Open face beef sandwich..pretty tasty! I add a bit of horseradish..

Who doesn't like Mexican food?  I mostly like leftovers for lunch and all I have access to is a microwave at work so maybe I'll soak it in gravy next time.  At least if the steak sucks I can enjoy the gravy  

[Augie]

10 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

My issue with steak is it's nearly impossible to reheat it without losing some or most of its flavor.  The best you can do is eat it cold.

 

I enjoy a cold steak sandwich on a nice toasted roll with arugula, tomato and horseradish. I’m also not above just eating it doused in Worcestershire sauce! I love me some W sauce! 

[Misterbluesky]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

Who doesn't like Mexican food?  I mostly like leftovers for lunch and all I have access to is a microwave at work so maybe I'll soak it in gravy next time.  At least if the steak sucks I can enjoy the gravy  

My wife does not like spice..she won't eat much mexican..I do like it,just not fire hot.

[Doc Brown]

Just now, Misterbluesky said:

My wife does not like spice..she won't eat much mexican..I do like it,just not fire hot.

I'm with you in that I don't mind a little spice but not to the point it burns my mouth.  The easiest way to ruin a meal is to make it too hot where it numbs your taste buds.

[Misterbluesky]

9 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I enjoy a cold steak sandwich on a nice toasted roll with arugula, tomato and horseradish. I’m also not above just eating it doused in Worcestershire sauce! I love me some W sauce! 

Tell me how underrated Worcestershire really is??? Many top star eateries use it but they don't announce it because it's basically sun fried anchovie oil..people don't want to hear that word.

Edited July 21, 2019 by Misterbluesky

[Misterbluesky]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I'm with you in that I don't mind a little spice but not to the point it burns my mouth.  The easiest way to ruin a meal is to make it too hot where it numbs your taste buds.

I have family and friends down in Louisiana?they go your way...add flavor to your jambalaya,shrimp etoufee,crawfish boil..etc..just don't overwhelm the food.

if folks want more of the hot sauce..the bottles are on the tables.

Doc Brown..you know cooking?

[SinceThe70s]

45 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

My issue with steak is it's nearly impossible to reheat it without losing some or most of its flavor.  The best you can do is eat it cold.

 

This is very true. But....

 

38 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

Hey doc..not sure if you like Mexican food..but you can do a quick heat up for a fajita..with grilled peppers and onion..sour cream etc..not bad.

Also..I am home alone a lot..so I can reheat in Gravy..low heat and the toast bread.

Open face beef sandwich..pretty tasty! I add a bit of horseradish..

 

...so is this. A few times recently I took the left-over steak, shredded it and made tacos/burritos. They were phenomenal. 

[Doc Brown]

3 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

I have family and friends down in Louisiana?they go your way...add flavor to your jambalaya,shrimp etoufee,crawfish boil..etc..just don't overwhelm the food.

if folks want more of the hot sauce..the bottles are on the tables.

Doc Brown..you know cooking?

If you eat enough spicy food the pain neurotransmitter from your taste buds to your brain is depleted and you start to crave spicy foods.  I'm just not willing at this point in my life to make that transition  

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Misterbluesky said:

Tell me how underrated Worcestershire really is??? Many top star eateries use it but they don't announce it because it's basically sun fried anchovie oil..people don't want to hear that word.

 

I recently learned that there is anchovy in there. Good to know with the son’s GF a vegetarian (doubt she is aware though, but still....play nice). Apparently there is a kind without the anchovy for the vegan world. 

[Gugny]

2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

My issue with steak is it's nearly impossible to reheat it without losing some or most of its flavor.  The best you can do is eat it cold.

 

2 hours ago, Misterbluesky said:

Hey doc..not sure if you like Mexican food..but you can do a quick heat up for a fajita..with grilled peppers and onion..sour cream etc..not bad.

Also..I am home alone a lot..so I can reheat in Gravy..low heat and the toast bread.

Open face beef sandwich..pretty tasty! I add a bit of horseradish..

 

Leftover steak is also good for a nice chili.

[plenzmd1]

5 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

My issue with steak is it's nearly impossible to reheat it without losing some or most of its flavor.  The best you can do is eat it cold.

for the most part true...but if you have the time reheating steak in  a 225 oven for 30 minutes on a wire rack on a bking sheet, then a quick re-sear in a skillet 30 seconds each side...pretty damn close to what it was the night before. Take stime no doubt.

 

 

BTW, i totally screwed up in this thread...the perfect steak  is duck breast. End of thread

[BringBackFergy]

26 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

for the most part true...but if you have the time reheating steak in  a 225 oven for 30 minutes on a wire rack on a bking sheet, then a quick re-sear in a skillet 30 seconds each side...pretty damn close to what it was the night before. Take stime no doubt.

 

 

BTW, i totally screwed up in this thread...the perfect steak  is duck breast. End of thread

What surprises me is how very few chose filet as best steak (other than the fella that cooked a whole tenderloin on the grill - which I will try sometime). 

 

EDIT: By the way, start your own damn duck thread. 

 

 

Or tell tell me how to make it here. LOL. Sounds great. 

Edited July 22, 2019 by BringBackFergy

[plenzmd1]

19 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

What surprises me is how very few chose filet as best steak (other than the fella that cooked a whole tenderloin on the grill - which I will try sometime). 

 

EDIT: By the way, start your own damn duck thread. 

 

 

Or tell tell me how to make it here. LOL. Sounds great. 

Lots o ways to do duck breast. The basics are as follow

 

1) score the poop out of the fat cap 

 

2) season heavily with salt and pepper

 

3) medium heat on a skillet/grill,  fat cap down, slowly render the fat  cover with a metal bowl or something similar to trap heat and cook more evenely

 

4 ) continually pour the fat into a vessel that can be stored , duck fat more valuable than gold in my house. 

 

5) once most the fat has been rendered, flip the duck and recover

 

6) cook to 125, let rest 10 minutes. 

 

We have always loved duck breast in our house so. So much so that several servers at restuatanys questioned my 8 -13 year old daughter order of duck, medium rare!  

 

Tonight i I did a recipe by Jamie Oiliver, awesome, simple and delicious. 

 

Just two two of us tonight , and this is not a meal to get “ stuffed” but in a hot summer night just perfect

 

https://www.jamieoliver.com/recipes/duck-recipes/duck-orange-salad/

 

 

 

 

 

[Augie]

24 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

What surprises me is how very few chose filet as best steak (other than the fella that cooked a whole tenderloin on the grill - which I will try sometime). 

 

EDIT: By the way, start your own damn duck thread. 

 

 

Or tell tell me how to make it here. LOL. Sounds great. 

 

For me, there is filet....and then a big drop to all the others. For doing the whole tenderloin (and other “fitting” reasons), I get the 50 foot roll of sous vide wrap. It’s the perfect way to get perfect steak. I finish with a sear on a flat grill pan on a smoking hot grill to save the house from smoke. 

 

I had a buddy visit and we went to the store to buy steak. I went tenderloin and he said “no, I prefer ribeye”. I reminded him he wasn’t cooking, and did not get a vote. He told me the next day he woke up in the middle of the night dreaming of his steak, wondering if any was left. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

What surprises me is how very few chose filet as best steak (other than the fella that cooked a whole tenderloin on the grill - which I will try sometime). 

 

EDIT: By the way, start your own damn duck thread. 

 

 

Or tell tell me how to make it here. LOL. Sounds great. 

 

Filet is too low in fat. Ribeye is the Lord and master of all steaks.

[plenzmd1]

11 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Filet is too low in fat. Ribeye is the Lord and master of all steaks.

the get yourself a duck breast..its like having a steak with bacon on top!

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

30 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

the get yourself a duck breast..its like having a steak with bacon on top!

 

I enjoy duck. Ever have wild goose? That's a treat

Edited July 22, 2019 by Joe in Winslow

[mead107]

1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I enjoy duck. Ever have wild goose? That's a treat

I’ve had goose jerky.  One of the bosses would make it and bring it in.  Very good.  

[plenzmd1]

4 hours ago, mead107 said:

I’ve had goose,,, jerky.  One of the bosses would make it and bring it in.  Very good.  

why you call Joe jerky?

[mead107]

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

why you call Joe jerky?

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[TPS]

Appreciate the thread. My golf group is coming over for a post-game swim and steak. Going to do the reverse seat on aged ribeyes. One quirk, I have an electric smoker I will use for stage one @225, without the smoke of course...

[Johnny Hammersticks]

https://www.amazon.com/Weber-Chicago-Steak-Seasoning-Pack/dp/B007NLKUF4/ref=asc_df_B007NLKUF4/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=344004307193&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16559989641635941298&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9003089&hvtargid=pla-524468065611&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=66686195262&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=344004307193&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16559989641635941298&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9003089&hvtargid=pla-524468065611

 

This Weber Chicago Steak Seasoning is the only seasoning (other than salt and pepper) that I will use on a good steak.  Only use it once in a while for a change up.

[The Plastic Cup]

On 7/21/2019 at 3:47 PM, Doc Brown said:

My issue with steak is it's nearly impossible to reheat it without losing some or most of its flavor.  The best you can do is eat it cold.

 

If it was originally on the rare side, I’ll slice it thin and cook it for 30 seconds in a hot pan and make a cheesesteak.

[Jauronimo]

Did a sous vide ribeye last night.  Slight tweak to my usual method which bore great results.  

 

Rather than cook at 125-128 F and guess about how much internal temp rise to expect during searing I went up to my target final temp of 133 and went twice as long as normal for a cook time of 3 hours.  After 3 hours in the bath I shocked the steak in ice water for about 10 minutes while heating up my pan.  Then dried the meat, lightly re-seasoned with salt, and tossed in the pan with a little grapeseed oil and butter.  i flipped every 30 seconds or so, basting with butter/oil mixture for a total of 4 minutes.

 

The ice bath sufficiently stops the cooking process and cools the meat such that you buy more time for searing to achieve that perfect steakhouse crust.  My final internal temp was actually 130!  Edge to edge goodness and a perfect crust.  

[mrags]

On 7/16/2019 at 11:28 AM, BringBackFergy said:

Wondering how you fellas prepare steak, what type, heat source and, ultimately, how you eat that mutha.

 

Let's assume you have everything at your disposal: type of beef, cooking utensils, pans, herbs/seasonings, knives, grills/ovens, etc.

 

How do you do it?

 

Fergy's Perfect Steak:

* A 20 ounce prime ribeye with good marbling and thick cut at 2+ inches. Let steak get to room temp and coat with light olive oil.

* Kosher salt and black pepper (peppercorns crushed with a mallet inside a bag. Cover steak with plenty of crushed peppercorns)

* A cast iron skillet real. Olive oil in skillet and bring to medium high temp.  Have two sprigs of thyme and rosemary and two cloves crushed garlic handy as well as 2 tbsp of butter.

* Lay ribeye in skillet and sear first side for two minutes, flip and put thyme and rosemary and butter in skillet. As searing the second side, baste with the butter and herbs.

* Let sear for three minutes, flip and sear another minute to get buttery herb mix on both sides..

* Take off heat and put in oven at 300 for about 10-15 minutes to cook through to medium rare.

* Take out of oven, remove steak from skillet and place on cutting board with loose "tin fole". Pour any remaining juices over top of steak before covering.

* Let that mutha rest for 15 mins.

* Remove "tin fole" and get a sharp ass knife.  Cut ribeye in diagonal direction across grain with 1" slices (I may get some argument here, but sliced steak is really solid and tender rather than trying to cut your way through an entire whole steak).

* My wife loves it this way. It's a panty dropper.

 

I'll hear some argument about charcoal grilling a steak or Sue Vidae (which are all great), but screw it. This is my perfect steak. Make your own!!

 

I do similar process but reverse seared with a Himalayan Salt Block

 

1. Let filet/strip/ribeye rest to room temperature
2. Lightly coat with olive oil
3. Pepper steak heavily
4. Place Hemilayan Salt Slab in oven and set to 250 degrees 
5. Place steak on salt slab with rosemary sprig and garlic clove on top and cook until internal temperature has reached 115 degrees (flip steak at 90 degrees)
6. While waiting for steak to finish, Set grill on high with cast iron pan 
7. Remove steak from oven and cover immediately with tin foil and let sit for 10-15 minutes (depending on thickness) 
8. Place steak on cast iron pan with rosemary and garlic on top and close grill lid, sear for 1 minute
9. Flip steak and place 1Tblsp of butter cube directly on top of steak, close grill lid and sear for 1 minute
10. Rotate and sear all sides of steak
11. Serve and enjoy

Just like my ribs at the tailgate years ago, I’ll gladly put my steak up against anyone and be confident saying I will prevail. 

 

 

50 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Did a sous vide ribeye last night.  Slight tweak to my usual method which bore great results.  

 

Rather than cook at 125-128 F and guess about how much internal temp rise to expect during searing I went up to my target final temp of 133 and went twice as long as normal for a cook time of 3 hours.  After 3 hours in the bath I shocked the steak in ice water for about 10 minutes while heating up my pan.  Then dried the meat, lightly re-seasoned with salt, and tossed in the pan with a little grapeseed oil and butter.  i flipped every 30 seconds or so, basting with butter/oil mixture for a total of 4 minutes.

 

The ice bath sufficiently stops the cooking process and cools the meat such that you buy more time for searing to achieve that perfect steakhouse crust.  My final internal temp was actually 130!  Edge to edge goodness and a perfect crust.  

I feel like I should add in an ice bath after my oven step before the searing begins. 

[shrader]

29 minutes ago, mrags said:

Just like my ribs at the tailgate years ago, I’ll gladly put my steak up against anyone and be confident saying I will prevail.

 

I would gladly be the judge of any steak contest.  You know who wins?  Me.

[BringBackFergy]

34 minutes ago, mrags said:

I do similar process but reverse seared with a Himalayan Salt Block

 

1. Let filet/strip/ribeye rest to room temperature
2. Lightly coat with olive oil
3. Pepper steak heavily
4. Place Hemilayan Salt Slab in oven and set to 250 degrees 
5. Place steak on salt slab with rosemary sprig and garlic clove on top and cook until internal temperature has reached 115 degrees (flip steak at 90 degrees)
6. While waiting for steak to finish, Set grill on high with cast iron pan 
7. Remove steak from oven and cover immediately with tin foil and let sit for 10-15 minutes (depending on thickness) 
8. Place steak on cast iron pan with rosemary and garlic on top and close grill lid, sear for 1 minute
9. Flip steak and place 1Tblsp of butter cube directly on top of steak, close grill lid and sear for 1 minute
10. Rotate and sear all sides of steak
11. Serve and enjoy

Just like my ribs at the tailgate years ago, I’ll gladly put my steak up against anyone and be confident saying I will prevail. 

 

 

I feel like I should add in an ice bath after my oven step before the searing begins. 

Yeah, the ice bath trick is a good idea to stop the internal cooking if you reverse sear like Jauronimo.  Wouldn't really work for me because I sear first...the proper method. LOL

[Jauronimo]

Worth the watch.  Much of this is common knowledge to participants in this thread.

 

https://www.seriouseats.com/2019/09/food-lab-video-episode-2-steak-lies.html

37 minutes ago, mrags said:

 

I feel like I should add in an ice bath after my oven step before the searing begins. 

 

I should clarify that I kept the steak in the sous vide bag during the ice bath.  Getting that perfect crust is all about starting with a dry surface.  As the video I posted above details, the crust won't form until ALL surface moisture is gone and it takes a ton of heat energy to evaporate surface moisture.

[BringBackFergy]

3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Worth the watch.  Much of this is common knowledge to participants in this thread.

 

https://www.seriouseats.com/2019/09/food-lab-video-episode-2-steak-lies.html

 

I should clarify that I kept the steak in the sous vide bag during the ice bath.  Getting that perfect crust is all about starting with a dry surface.  As the video I posted above details, the crust won't form until ALL surface moisture is gone and it takes a ton of heat energy to evaporate surface moisture.

@mrags gets a nice crust by adding Ritz cracker crumbs to the top of his steak before microwaving it. 

[GoBills808]

Yikes yall cook a ribeye the same way as a filet?

[Jauronimo]

26 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Yikes yall cook a ribeye the same way as a filet?

splain yourself!