Badanswer Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) I didn't see to much news going on here today so....why not Who would have thunk a 7th rounder could be this good? We talk a lot on this board about where guys could/should have been picked in the draft, we covet high draft picks in hopes of building a powerhouse and sometimes we dismiss late round picks as camp fodder. But teams find gems once in awhile that shine brighter than anyone can imagine. Jordan Poyer is one of those gems. Saw this come across my feed last night and it got me pumped up....hope it makes your day a little better too So....when we talk about ONLY getting a 6th or 7th for a trade and say "bah only that for him...not good" think again Have a great and stress free day fellas Edited June 21, 2019 by Badanswer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Definitely a steal for us. Love our secondary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) I recommended Bills look at him before they signed him. Edited June 21, 2019 by Limeaid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I remember during the senior bowl that year, during practices and such, Charles Davis loved him. He was heaping praise on him left and right and so I was pretty surprised when he was drafted in the seventh round. They were talking about him as a 3rd or 4th rounder. So I always kind of remembered his name, but he kind of fell off my radar. He's a good player with some good instincts and a move to safety was huge for his career. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, Limeaid said: I recommended Bills look at him before they signed him. Always considered the Pack my 2nd team. Was actually offered a job in Minnesota once and the company mentioned that they could get valued employees tickets to NFL game and I said "Great, I am a Packers fan." The conversation went a different direction than recruiter planned but we continued talking. Back breaker was requirement that I move to Minnesota as soon as hired with them paying for move and any loss I'd have on house. Told recruiter not ready to uproot my family until I see I am good fit in job and recruiter tried pushing saying they get whole families involved even helping spouses find jobs if needed. Poyer never played for the Pack. That was Hyde. 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I remember during the senior bowl that year, during practices and such, Charles Davis loved him. He was heaping praise on him left and right and so I was pretty surprised when he was drafted in the seventh round. They were talking about him as a 3rd or 4th rounder. So I always kind of remembered his name, but he kind of fell off my radar. He's a good player with some good instincts and a move to safety was huge for his career. for some reason he sticks out for me from his combine. I remember him running well, if i'm not mistaken, and I think he actually worked out with the corners maybe??? and yes, I remember him being talked about as a mid rounder. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Just now, Stank_Nasty said: for some reason he sticks out for me from his combine. I remember him running well, if i'm not mistaken, and I think he actually worked out with the corners maybe??? and yes, I remember him being talked about as a mid rounder. Yea he was seen as a corner coming out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Poyer never played for the Pack. That was Hyde. 28 minutes ago, Limeaid said: You are right. I was recommending both during off season and I got them mixed up. Edited June 21, 2019 by Limeaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I’m glad we got Poyer when we did. And thank you Cleveland for the development work. Because I suspect that had we drafted him, he would have been cut or otherwise given up on before he blossomed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Yea he was seen as a corner coming out. just.... what a player. hopefully the team starts winning and he gets recognized like we all know he should...…. although I get slightly annoyed with how "pretty"(her words) my wife thinks he is. if I watched blake lively movies 16 sundays a year and routinely reminded my darling of how "pretty" blake was I may not live to see a 17th week.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: just.... what a player. hopefully the team starts winning and he gets recognized like we all know he should...…. although I get slightly annoyed with how "pretty"(her words) my wife thinks he is. if I watched blake lively movies 16 sundays a year and routinely reminded my darling of how "pretty" blake was I may not live to see a 17th week.... Oh I think he is very pretty too. Not a mad fan of the back tattoo but those eyes...... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I remember a lot of people hating on the Poyer signing because he was a late round pick and he came from Cleveland. I was concerned with his durability, but liked him as a player. I have enjoyed watching him on the field. He and Hyde are crucial. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 22 minutes ago, R Y G A R said: I remember a lot of people hating on the Poyer signing because he was a late round pick and he came from Cleveland. I was concerned with his durability, but liked him as a player. I have enjoyed watching him on the field. He and Hyde are crucial. Poyer and Hyde have been absolute gems. Both were marginal players in their prior teams and systems and marginal prospects coming out. In buffalo they have flourished. McDermotts defense is secondary friendly. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Poyer and Hyde have been absolute gems. Both were marginal players in their prior teams and systems and marginal prospects coming out. In buffalo they have flourished. McDermotts defense is secondary friendly. I didn't know much about Poyer but I thought Hyde was criminally underused and undervalued in Green Bay. He was a victim of his own versatility. Every time they had an injury he was the guy who got moved to cover.... safety, corner, slot and back again. Which meant he never got the chance to really nail down a spot as his own. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Why you should always trade down not up in the draft. Its a total crap shoot and none of these GMs are any better at finding talent than any of the others. The examples of busts and misses are limitless. Beane has no idea if Allen will ever be able to consistently complete a 10 yard crossing pattern or if a 19 year old kid can continue to develop any more than the other 31 general managers. Trade down and add more players. Every once in a while you will find a Stevie Johnson or even better an Antonio Gates. Of course there are always gems in UDFA like Jason Peters, too bad the Bills couldn't find a guy like that. I mean a future HOF player at LT. Bills just never seem to find those guys. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I didn't know much about Poyer but I thought Hyde was criminally underused and undervalued in Green Bay. He was a victim of his own versatility. Every time they had an injury he was the guy who got moved to cover.... safety, corner, slot and back again. Which meant he never got the chance to really nail down a spot as his own. Was a solid STer there as well. But it I think if he was as good there at any of the spots in their system as compared to the other DBs he would have locked in to a spot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Was a solid STer there as well. But it I think if he was as good there at any of the spots in their system as compared to the other DBs he would have locked in to a spot. See I think he was as good. I just think they never saw him in a spot for long enough to really value him. I said it when he was there too. He was one of my favourite players in the league long before he was a Bill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Was a solid STer there as well. But it I think if he was as good there at any of the spots in their system as compared to the other DBs he would have locked in to a spot. I have a buddy that is a very knowledgeable packers fan. he was furious they let him just walk. told me he was a real asset. so didn't know much about him but that gave me a good feeling... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 20 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Why you should always trade down not up in the draft. Its a total crap shoot and none of these GMs are any better at finding talent than any of the others. The examples of busts and misses are limitless. Beane has no idea if Allen will ever be able to consistently complete a 10 yard crossing pattern or if a 19 year old kid can continue to develop any more than the other 31 general managers. Trade down and add more players. Every once in a while you will find a Stevie Johnson or even better an Antonio Gates. Of course there are always gems in UDFA like Jason Peters, too bad the Bills couldn't find a guy like that. I mean a future HOF player at LT. Bills just never seem to find those guys. The sarcasm may not be clear enough for some on here. Wasn't him being traded a forced issue? Like he just wanted out of Buffalo or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 49 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: I have a buddy that is a very knowledgeable packers fan. he was furious they let him just walk. told me he was a real asset. so didn't know much about him but that gave me a good feeling... For what little it worth I played madden those years using the packers typically because the bills were so aweful and he was a solid returner and playmaker in the secondary ?♂️ in real life, he seemed like an average athlete that had a real nose for the football and a knack for making plays no matter the position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Poyer and Hyde have been absolute gems. Both were marginal players in their prior teams and systems and marginal prospects coming out. In buffalo they have flourished. McDermotts defense is secondary friendly. Hyde was kind of a utility DB for the packers. He played some safety and some slot CB as well as special teams. Green Bay liked their safeties, I guess, so Hyde never got a shot to start for them. Poyer was a depth safety for the Browns. McDermott surmised he had the talent to start and took a chance. Both were great signings for Buffalo, but I'm getting the impression that one advantage of McDermott's defensive scheme is that it tends to get the most out of players who might be marginal for other teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 1 minute ago, TigerJ said: I'm getting the impression that one advantage of McDermott's defensive scheme is that it tends to get the most out of players who might be marginal for other teams. This is so deep it's beyond my comprehension... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, TigerJ said: Hyde was kind of a utility DB for the packers. He played some safety and some slot CB as well as special teams. Green Bay liked their safeties, I guess, so Hyde never got a shot to start for them. Poyer was a depth safety for the Browns. McDermott surmised he had the talent to start and took a chance. Both were great signings for Buffalo, but I'm getting the impression that one advantage of McDermott's defensive scheme is that it tends to get the most out of players who might be marginal for other teams. so what could it do with his shiny new toy, "Big" Ed?!?! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 38 minutes ago, eball said: This is so deep it's beyond my comprehension... I'm just looking at the number of players, either free agents from other teams, draft picks and UDFAs who have outplayed expectations that observers outside of Buffalo have had for them: Hyde, Poyer, Milano, Zo, Levi Wallace, Taron Johnson. Even a first round pick like Tre White has been as productive as a couple CBs picked ahead of him. We haven't seen so much of that out of the line, but maybe there's something about the scheme that helps the LBs and DBs look better at the expense of the line. I do think having a difference maker like Ed Oliver could do some real interesting things for the defense this year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Beane has no idea if Allen will ever be able to consistently complete a 10 yard crossing pattern or if a 19 year old kid can continue to develop any more than the other 31 general managers. I am sure a 19 year old kid can continue to develop ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD more than the other 31 general managers. 2 hours ago, 1ManRaid said: The sarcasm may not be clear enough for some on here. Wasn't him being traded a forced issue? Like he just wanted out of Buffalo or something? After negotiating a new contract his agent, currently in hell, wanted to renegotiate since he was moved from RT to LT with three years left and he told his client to hold out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 19 minutes ago, TigerJ said: I'm just looking at the number of players, either free agents from other teams, draft picks and UDFAs who have outplayed expectations that observers outside of Buffalo have had for them: Hyde, Poyer, Milano, Zo, Levi Wallace, Taron Johnson. Even a first round pick like Tre White has been as productive as a couple CBs picked ahead of him. We haven't seen so much of that out of the line, but maybe there's something about the scheme that helps the LBs and DBs look better at the expense of the line. I do think having a difference maker like Ed Oliver could do some real interesting things for the defense this year Or maybe McD and his staff are good coaches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Draft position literally means NOTHING once your in the league Poyer is a good system player and fits the scheme but he is pretty one dimensional He is fantastic in coverage but below average in run support and misses way to many tackles. But his contract is a bargain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 40 minutes ago, eball said: Or maybe McD and his staff are good coaches. I think they are, but part of being a good coach is putting your players in a position to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badanswer Posted June 21, 2019 Author Share Posted June 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Poyer is a good system player and fits the scheme but he is pretty one dimensional I must disagree....he's all over the field and pretty good in all phases 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Badanswer said: I must disagree....he's all over the field and pretty good in all phases You can have your opinion and yes he is all over the field but he misses the most tackles on our team It would take hours to go through a whole season and make a video of just poyer tackle attempts but there would be a lot of misses and getting trucked and stiff armed Hyde is smaller and A MUCH Sounder tackler and he's average against the run . ... Poyer is below average against the run and misses tackles weekly He is great against the pass but not that great against the run It's not being mean it's the truth Edited June 21, 2019 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badanswer Posted June 21, 2019 Author Share Posted June 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: You can have your opinion Discussion is always good :)....no sweat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Just now, Badanswer said: Discussion is always good :)....no sweat Can't wait for the season ! This is our year! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I am much higher than 716 on Poyer and we have debated it before. I think he is average against the run and borderline elite in coverage and he excels defending in the redzone. In this day in age give me the safety will elite cover skills against the safety who can run up and stuff the running back every single day of every single week. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 3 hours ago, TigerJ said: Hyde was kind of a utility DB for the packers. He played some safety and some slot CB as well as special teams. Green Bay liked their safeties, I guess, so Hyde never got a shot to start for them. Poyer was a depth safety for the Browns. McDermott surmised he had the talent to start and took a chance. Both were great signings for Buffalo, but I'm getting the impression that one advantage of McDermott's defensive scheme is that it tends to get the most out of players who might be marginal for other teams. Scheme fit matters for every team. That’s why free agents can go from boom or bust, to boom or bust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 7 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said: just.... what a player. hopefully the team starts winning and he gets recognized like we all know he should...…. although I get slightly annoyed with how "pretty"(her words) my wife thinks he is. if I watched blake lively movies 16 sundays a year and routinely reminded my darling of how "pretty" blake was I may not live to see a 17th week.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 7 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I am much higher than 716 on Poyer and we have debated it before. I think he is average against the run and borderline elite in coverage and he excels defending in the redzone. In this day in age give me the safety will elite cover skills against the safety who can run up and stuff the running back every single day of every single week. I didn't think I ever said he wasn't a good football player He has some really good traits especially for the modern NFL but he absolutely has weaknesses like most players His is top notch in man to man as a safety and has good awareness in zone so he is a versatile FS I like him , certainly a good football player , I just wish we had someone on the roster who has shown he can cover and lay the wood... Rare combination I know Poyer and Hyde certainly are in the running as best playmaking safety tandem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 The OP makes a good point and another example is emerging in Foster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) On 6/21/2019 at 10:32 AM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Poyer and Hyde have been absolute gems. Both were marginal players in their prior teams and systems and marginal prospects coming out. In buffalo they have flourished. McDermotts defense is secondary friendly. Hyde was pretty good in GB. Their fan base was pissed they didnt resign him. IIRC On 6/21/2019 at 11:03 AM, Ethan in Portland said: Why you should always trade down not up in the draft. Its a total crap shoot and none of these GMs are any better at finding talent than any of the others. The examples of busts and misses are limitless. Beane has no idea if Allen will ever be able to consistently complete a 10 yard crossing pattern or if a 19 year old kid can continue to develop any more than the other 31 general managers. Trade down and add more players. Every once in a while you will find a Stevie Johnson or even better an Antonio Gates. Of course there are always gems in UDFA like Jason Peters, too bad the Bills couldn't find a guy like that. I mean a future HOF player at LT. Bills just never seem to find those guys. Beane should have waited so we could get the next JP Losman or waited even longer for the next EJ.?? The draft is about what they could become. Potential. Safe drafters lose their jobs. Edited June 22, 2019 by formerlyofCtown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 17 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Hyde was pretty good in GB. Their fan base was pissed they didnt resign him. IIRC A good former Bills comparison is NRC- the 12 best player on d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: A good former Bills comparison is NRC- the 12 best player on d. They probably did think he was the 12 best player but had plenty of guys he was better than. They apparently just didnt know it yet. Edited June 22, 2019 by formerlyofCtown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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