Thinking of getting married? Try Halftime at Pats-Bills Game

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

Easy, we're just kidding with you over your self-appointed exalted status. I do appreciate you reading my every word though.

it was taken as such..as i hope my original pst was as it was intended as a joke as well

[SoCal Deek]

Does it count that I renew my vows of Bills fanaticism every year right before the opening kickoff? That relationship predates my wife!

[Putin]

2 hours ago, MacGyver said:

 

For a man, marriage is generally a huge financial burden. And if you want to get out of it, it's financially fatal to most.

 

NYS isn't a common law state, so it's best to have a live-in GF vs. a wife. You can get out of a bad situation with a lot less financial loss. It's just common sense economics. Just don't introduce any children into the dynamic.

 

Now, if your goal is to raise a family, you really should get married, but you have to really think about giving your life away, because that's essentially what you're doing. Your wife and kids lives and finances will ALWAYS come before your own, that's what's expected of you as a married man in today's culture. You are perpetually in last place when married with children. Some men can live like this, many cannot.

 

It's much easier for women. They just need to find a man who brings in a decent salary, get pregnant, and they own his finances for 26 years, don't have to hold a job, don't have to get married, and can use the legal system to keep the father of their child away from them, AND get money from him.  That's like the best deal you can get in modern western culture when it comes to free money.

Wish you would have posted this 29 years ago , ( it's too late for me ) but to all you singles out there READ THIS ^^^^

[Captain Hindsight]

12 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

I can't imagine this works well unless the wife is as big as, or a bigger football fan than the husband. Anyone pushing this on some poor girl who wanted a nice quiet ceremony is dooming the relationship before it starts.

Agreed. Both parties have to be on board with proposals, ceremony, reception. Compromises of course, but if I'd proposed to my wife during a TV timeout at a game, she would have said yes, but wouldnt have been happy about it

[Patrick Duffy]

18 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Agreed. Both parties have to be on board with proposals, ceremony, reception. Compromises of course, but if I'd proposed to my wife during a TV timeout at a game, she would have said yes, but wouldnt have been happy about it

You could just use that same short leash you were talking about in another thread, just keep yours on a choke chain ? That should keep her in check hoss

Edited June 18, 2019 by Patrick_Duffy

[Captain Hindsight]

2 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

You could just use that same short leash you were talking about in another thread, just keep yours on a choke chain ? That should keep her in check hoss

She'd rip it off.

 

Hell hath no fury like a women scorned haha

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, Captain Hindsight said:

She'd rip it off.

 

Hell hath no fury like a women scorned haha

Lol, agreed, very much agreed.

[RiotAct]

17 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

You're saying you get to sanctify your marriage at the 50 yard line at halftime?!?!?!!

yes you do!  I think I saw it in the fine print

[Hapless Bills Fan]

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[Augie]

4 hours ago, MacGyver said:

 

For a man, marriage is generally a huge financial burden. And if you want to get out of it, it's financially fatal to most.

 

NYS isn't a common law state, so it's best to have a live-in GF vs. a wife. You can get out of a bad situation with a lot less financial loss. It's just common sense economics. Just don't introduce any children into the dynamic.

 

Now, if your goal is to raise a family, you really should get married, but you have to really think about giving your life away, because that's essentially what you're doing. Your wife and kids' lives and finances will ALWAYS come before your own, that's what's expected of you as a married man in today's culture. You are perpetually in last place when married with children. Some men can live like this, many cannot.

 

It's much easier for women. They just need to find a man who brings in a decent salary, get pregnant, and they own his finances for 26 years, don't have to hold a job, don't have to get married, and can use the legal system to keep the father of their child away from them, AND get money from him.  That's like the best deal you can get in modern western culture when it comes to free money.

 

I suppose that’s one way to look at it, and many will say that’s been their experience. My experience has been very different. It’s not always easy, but it can be great. For one thing, I suppose I always expected to have a family. But I won’t tell anyone else how to live. 

[BuffaloBillies]

Gotto get this guy to be the wedding singer after.

 

 

[MacGyver]

50 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I suppose that’s one way to look at it, and many will say that’s been their experience. My experience has been very different. It’s not always easy, but it can be great. For one thing, I suppose I always expected to have a family. But I won’t tell anyone else how to live. 

 

Right, it worked great for my parents, but they married in the 1950's, the world is a much different place these days. 

[Augie]

4 hours ago, MacGyver said:

 

Right, it worked great for my parents, but they married in the 1950's, the world is a much different place these days. 

I was married in 1985, and it’s been a blessing. It still can work these days. My son will probably be married next year. He’s been living with his GF for a while, which I think is a good test. It’s nice to know what you’re really getting into, and living together gives you a glimpse of the real person. That was less popular decades ago. My son is pretty accomplished, but I think she actually makes more than he does (as is currently the case with me and my wife). It doesn’t have to be about this finances, if you’re doing it right. 

 

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Edited June 18, 2019 by Augie

[MacGyver]

 

24 minutes ago, Augie said:

It doesn’t have to be about this finances, if you’re doing it right.

 

That all depends upon the type of woman tbh, hence the lottery comment... Also, you (or your son) not being the bread winner is part of it.  The vast majority of women want to marry up, not down. However, with the way things are going in our academic culture, women will have to get used to being the bread winners, will have to get used to marrying down, if they want to get married...

Edited June 18, 2019 by MacGyver

[Just Jack]

6 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

First, if people would read EVERY post i make, they would have had a two week jump on the application process as I  reported this was happening from the Fan Board meeting !!!!! I am disappointed in you people!

 

It wasn't formally announced back then though. 

[teef]

46 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

 

 

That all depends upon the type of woman tbh, hence the lottery comment... Also, you (or your son) not being the bread winner is part of it.  The vast majority of women want to marry up, not down. However, with the way things are going in our academic culture, women will have to get used to being the bread winners, will have to get used to marrying down, if they want to get married...

Dude...save some ***** for the rest of us!

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

7 hours ago, MacGyver said:

 

For a man, marriage is generally a huge financial burden. And if you want to get out of it, it's financially fatal to most.

 

NYS isn't a common law state, so it's best to have a live-in GF vs. a wife. You can get out of a bad situation with a lot less financial loss. It's just common sense economics. Just don't introduce any children into the dynamic.

 

Now, if your goal is to raise a family, you really should get married, but you have to really think about giving your life away, because that's essentially what you're doing. Your wife and kids' lives and finances will ALWAYS come before your own, that's what's expected of you as a married man in today's culture. You are perpetually in last place when married with children. Some men can live like this, many cannot.

 

It's much easier for women. They just need to find a man who brings in a decent salary, get pregnant, and they own his finances for 26 years, don't have to hold a job, don't have to get married, and can use the legal system to keep the father of their child away from them, AND get money from him.  That's like the best deal you can get in modern western culture when it comes to free money.

 

Money has cost me more after my divorce actually.

 

She didn't take any of my savings or retirement so I'm good there.  Now I'm giving her almost a $1,000 a month for preschool and child support.  Child support needs to be adjusted badly.  The $421.00 a month is about twice the amount she needs for child support....especially since we have shared 50/50 custody.  

Edited June 18, 2019 by Royale with Cheese

[Misterbluesky]

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Money has cost me more after my divorce actually.

 

She didn't take any of my savings or retirement so I'm good there.  Now I'm giving her almost a $1,000 a month for preschool and child support.  Child support needs to be adjusted badly.  The $421.00 a month is about twice the amount she needs for child support....especially since we have shared 50/50 custody.  

Should have stayed married.

[MacGyver]

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

She didn't take any of my savings or retirement so I'm good there.

 

Wow, that's kind of amazing...

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

Should have stayed married.

 

No way.....no way.

3 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

 

Wow, that's kind of amazing...

 

She's got that "I don't need a man, I'm independent" attitude.  She's always got a chip on her shoulder.  I used to hate it but now I don't mind it because it kept her from taking my hard earned savings/retirement.

[MacGyver]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

No way.....no way.

 

She's got that "I don't need a man, I'm independent" attitude.  She's always got a chip on her shoulder.  I used to hate it but now I don't mind it because it kept her from taking my hard earned savings/retirement.

 

HAHA, well I guess your ex being a feminist is good for one thing!

Edited June 18, 2019 by MacGyver

[teef]

21 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Money has cost me more after my divorce actually.

 

She didn't take any of my savings or retirement so I'm good there.  Now I'm giving her almost a $1,000 a month for preschool and child support.  Child support needs to be adjusted badly.  The $421.00 a month is about twice the amount she needs for child support....especially since we have shared 50/50 custody.  

are you going to start selling your body?

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

are you going to start selling your body?

 

How much are you offering?

[Misterbluesky]

10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

No way.....no way.

 

 

A day might come when you go pick up your son and you see a caddie in her driveway...you bought it..but won't be allowed in it.

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Misterbluesky said:

A day might come when you go pick up your son and you see a caddie in her driveway...you bought it..but won't be allowed in it.

 

Well then I have to balance out living in misery or giving her a caddie....I'll take the latter.  

[Misterbluesky]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Well then I have to balance out living in misery or giving her a caddie....I'll take the latter.  

I get you,if she's taking that much money from you..well,she must be a (fill in the blank).Same thing happened to my best bud...and she was cheating on him.

[Royale with Cheese]

9 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

I get you,if she's taking that much money from you..well,she must be a (fill in the blank).Same thing happened to my best bud...and she was cheating on him.

 

Yeah I don’t think she ever cheated.  Our personalities just don’t line up.  I don’t like in her in general.  She’s not a bad person, there’s just some people you just can’t be around.  She’s mine...I wish I would have realized this 7 years ago.

[BillsfaninSB]

8 hours ago, MacGyver said:

 

For a man, marriage is generally a huge financial burden. And if you want to get out of it, it's financially fatal to most.

 

NYS isn't a common law state, so it's best to have a live-in GF vs. a wife. You can get out of a bad situation with a lot less financial loss. It's just common sense economics. Just don't introduce any children into the dynamic.

 

Now, if your goal is to raise a family, you really should get married, but you have to really think about giving your life away, because that's essentially what you're doing. Your wife and kids' lives and finances will ALWAYS come before your own, that's what's expected of you as a married man in today's culture. You are perpetually in last place when married with children. Some men can live like this, many cannot.

 

It's much easier for women. They just need to find a man who brings in a decent salary, get pregnant, and they own his finances for 26 years, don't have to hold a job, don't have to get married, and can use the legal system to keep the father of their child away from them, AND get money from him.  That's like the best deal you can get in modern western culture when it comes to free money.

 

I totally get your point and the man needs to think it through very carefully before getting married and having children.   It certainly can come off the rails in a big way and there is a lot of financial exposure and unhappiness. 

 

However, your post about the woman side of things is a little insensitive.  Out of all the couples I have known who have gone through a divorce it was the woman who was ripped apart and crushed by the process.  It wasn’t their grand plan and they would have given anything to have it the way it was.

 

Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure there are wives who are manipulative.

 

[MacGyver]

4 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure there are wives who are manipulative.

 

Most women in general use manipulation to get what they want. It's how human females evolved to survive in a male physical dominance environment.  In terms of modern day marriage I suspect most if not all women use some form of manipulation, either verbal or emotional.

[teef]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

How much are you offering?

how much are you willing to degrade yourself?

32 minutes ago, MacGyver said:

 

Most women in general use manipulation to get what they want. It's how human females evolved to survive in a male physical dominance environment.  In terms of modern day marriage I suspect most if not all women use some form of manipulation, either verbal or emotional.

what in god's name happened to you t-bomb/white dwarf/macgyver?

[Royale with Cheese]

24 minutes ago, teef said:

how much are you willing to degrade yourself?

 

I don't think degrade is the right word.  How can it be degrading if you're smiling?

[teef]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I don't think degrade is the right word.  How can it be degrading if you're smiling?

you really know how to open a man's wallet...don't you?

[Augie]

2 hours ago, MacGyver said:

 

 

That all depends upon the type of woman tbh, hence the lottery comment... Also, you (or your son) not being the bread winner is part of it.  The vast majority of women want to marry up, not down. However, with the way things are going in our academic culture, women will have to get used to being the bread winners, will have to get used to marrying down, if they want to get married...

 

It’s not that we are not the “breadwinner”. We all work(ed), and my son will almost certainly out-earn his GF given time, and he’s not far behind right now. He’s investing in his future right now gaining terrific experience and going back for his MBA.  My wife and I were neck and neck for many, many years until she got some breaks and really took off. I can also tell you when we married in 1985 we earned less than $30k/year combined, split about evenly. And we were extremely happy! Nobody married up or down. She loves her work, so she keeps doing it. I don’t have to work, so I no longer do (but I gladly would if I found something I’d enjoy as much as she enjoys her work).  It was about the relationship, not finances. If the relationship is healthy the rest takes care of itself, in our case. We’ve always lived well within our means and never wanted for anything important. 

[Nineforty]

I'm getting married the 28th and really want to go to the game the next day.  I'm told there are a lot of things to do the next day (there are, sigh).  

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

It’s not that we are not the “breadwinner”. We all work(ed), and my son will almost certainly out-earn his GF given time, and he’s not far behind right now. He’s investing in his future right now gaining terrific experience and going back for his MBA.  My wife and I were neck and neck for many, many years until she got some breaks and really took off. I can also tell you when we married in 1985 we earned less than $30k/year combined, split about evenly. And we were extremely happy! Nobody married up or down. She loves her work, so she keeps doing it. I don’t have to work, so I no longer do (but I gladly would if I found something I’d enjoy as much as she enjoys her work).  It was about the relationship, not finances. If the relationship is healthy the rest takes care of itself, in our case. We’ve always lived well within our means and never wanted for anything important. 

yeah...the married up vs down comments are particular.  his motives are totally financial.  that's not the whole of it.  for many it depends on parenting philosophies, educational levels, material wants, interests. etc.  there's a lot that can go into a marriage to make it good or bad.  i just don't know how anyone can boil it down to one specific as he had.

 

either one of two explanations to mac...either he's been burned very badly before, (most of us have) or he's just scared/non-understanding of women.

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

yeah...the married up vs down comments are particular.  his motives are totally financial.  that's not the whole of it.  for many it depends on parenting philosophies, educational levels, material wants, interests. etc.  there's a lot that can go into a marriage to make it good or bad.  i just don't know how anyone can boil it down to one specific as he had.

 

either one of two explanations to mac...either he's been burned very badly before, (most of us have) or he's just scared/non-understanding of women.

 

That’s why I’m happy my son is living with his GF and they are taking their time. Marry quickly and you run the risk of not uncovering all the little things that could annoy you to death! Find out first, then decide if you should pull the trigger. My parents would have freaked if I went that path, but my 91 year old mother now see the benefits. 

 

Since we did NOT live together first, I’m glad we took 5 years to grow together before having kids. That can be a real stresser!  Don’t rush into any aspect of the relationship! 

[Captain Hindsight]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

How much are you offering?

What does 5 bucks get me?

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Captain Hindsight said:

What does 5 bucks get me?

 

A Krafty Special! 

[MacGyver]

24 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

It’s not that we are not the “breadwinner”. We all work(ed), and my son will almost certainly out-earn his GF given time, and he’s not far behind right now. He’s investing in his future right now gaining terrific experience and going back for his MBA.  My wife and I were neck and neck for many, many years until she got some breaks and really took off. I can also tell you when we married in 1985 we earned less than $30k/year combined, split about evenly. And we were extremely happy! Nobody married up or down. She loves her work, so she keeps doing it. I don’t have to work, so I no longer do (but I gladly would if I found something I’d enjoy as much as she enjoys her work).  It was about the relationship, not finances. If the relationship is healthy the rest takes care of itself, in our case. We’ve always lived well within our means and never wanted for anything important. 

 

You found a good one that's for sure. It's a rare thing these days. I knew at an early age watching the dynamics of my huge family that marriage and children were definitely not for me. And given the state of our culture these days, I feel like I really chose the correct path.

[Royale with Cheese]

31 minutes ago, teef said:

you really know how to open a man's wallet...don't you?

 

Many people call it a gift, I call it a curse.  

6 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

What does 5 bucks get me?

 

It depends on the $5.

Is it all in ones?  One 5 dollar bill?  20 quarters?