Stanley Cup Finals: Bruins Vs Blues

[ExiledInIllinois]

He's still wearing Sabres jersey in pic.  LoL

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_O'Reilly_(ice_hockey)

[T&C]

On 5/27/2019 at 7:14 PM, CommonCents said:

How fitting. Blues fan? How about Bruins hater? 

 

I don’t know what is going to be better seeing them win the cup or listening to you B word about it. 

 

Remember that dagger Toronto put in Boston after game 1? 

I'm casual... 

[ExiledInIllinois]

On 5/27/2019 at 6:14 PM, CommonCents said:

How fitting. Blues fan? How about Bruins hater? 

 

I don’t know what is going to be better seeing them win the cup or listening to you B word about it. 

 

Remember that dagger Toronto put in Boston after game 1? 

[Lurker]

56 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

ROR quit on us last year. Watching him play in STL this year should make that very clear to everyone. 

 

B.S.!   Don't conflate his honesty at cleanout day with the effort he gave while here--with a piss poor team surrounding him

 

					Scoring					Goals				Assists			Shots			Ice Time
Season	Age	Tm	Lg	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	EV	PP	SH	S	S%	TSA	TOI	ATOI	FOW	FOL	FO%	BLK	HIT	TK	GV	Awards
6 yrs		COL	NHL	427	90	156	246	-13	64	66	20	4	12	115	39	2	881	10.2	1405	7868	18:26	2924	2719	51.8	239	219	457	157
3 yrs		BUF	NHL	224	65	111	176	-40	20	32	31	2	8	68	38	5	576	11.3	898	4774	21:19	3336	2390	58.3	136	80	170	94
1 yr		STL	NHL	82	28	49	77	22	12	21	6	1	5	31	16	2	234	12.0	368	1702	20:46	1086	824	56.9	36	31	94	33
Career		10 yrs	NHL	733	183	316	499	-31	96	119	57	7	25	214	93	9	1691	10.8	2671	14344	19:34	7346	5933	55.3	411	330	721	284
2009-10	18	COL	NHL	81	8	18	26	4	18	6	0	2	2	18	0	0	135	5.9	211	1358	16:46	485	529	47.8	53	37	69	31
2010-11	19	COL	NHL	74	13	13	26	-7	16	10	2	1	0	10	2	1	119	10.9	181	1188	16:03	531	494	51.8	31	53	72	23	Selke-53
2011-12	20	COL	NHL	81	18	37	55	-1	12	14	4	0	3	26	11	0	189	9.5	302	1582	19:32	762	681	52.8	50	62	101	34	Byng-46,Selke-14
2012-13	21	COL	NHL	29	6	14	20	-3	4	3	3	0	0	11	3	0	66	9.1	118	537	18:30	241	215	52.9	14	7	34	10	Selke-33
2013-14	22	COL	NHL	80	28	36	64	-1	2	19	9	0	6	23	13	0	201	13.9	320	1586	19:49	192	179	51.8	43	22	83	33	AS-11,Byng-1,Selke-6
2014-15	23	COL	NHL	82	17	38	55	-5	12	14	2	1	1	27	10	1	171	9.9	273	1617	19:43	713	621	53.4	48	38	98	26	Byng-9,Selke-12
2015-16	24	BUF	NHL	71	21	39	60	-16	8	12	8	1	2	25	14	0	157	13.4	243	1543	21:44	1024	788	56.5	43	17	47	28	Byng-5,Selke-33
2016-17	25	BUF	NHL	72	20	35	55	-1	10	11	8	1	3	18	16	1	189	10.6	297	1545	21:28	1039	752	58.0	45	21	58	27	Byng-10,Selke-11
2017-18	26	BUF	NHL	81	24	37	61	-23	2	9	15	0	3	25	8	4	230	10.4	358	1686	20:49	1273	850	60.0	48	42	65	39	Byng-2,Selke-11
2018-19	27	STL	NHL	82	28	49	77	22	12	21	6	1	5	31	16	2	234	12.0	368	1702	20:46	1086	824	56.9	36	31	94	33

 

[Turk71]

Congrats to the St. Louis Blues and their first Stanley Cup.

[Ol Dirty B]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I may be the only one who doesn’t care about  ROR success. He wasn’t a fit to move forward with the Sabres. So what, let him live. And revel in Bahhhston failure. 

 

 

I'm not sure how he wasn't a fit. That sounds ridiculous

[T&C]

16 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I'm not sure how he wasn't a fit. That sounds ridiculous

He didn't want to be with a ***** team.

[Ol Dirty B]

38 minutes ago, T&C said:

He didn't want to be with a ***** team.

 

So give him away for nothing. 

 

Nothing about the move is defensible in my opinion. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

6 hours ago, Lurker said:

 

B.S.!   Don't conflate his honesty at cleanout day with the effort he gave while here--with a piss poor team surrounding him

 

					Scoring					Goals				Assists			Shots			Ice Time
Season	Age	Tm	Lg	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	EV	PP	SH	S	S%	TSA	TOI	ATOI	FOW	FOL	FO%	BLK	HIT	TK	GV	Awards
6 yrs		COL	NHL	427	90	156	246	-13	64	66	20	4	12	115	39	2	881	10.2	1405	7868	18:26	2924	2719	51.8	239	219	457	157
3 yrs		BUF	NHL	224	65	111	176	-40	20	32	31	2	8	68	38	5	576	11.3	898	4774	21:19	3336	2390	58.3	136	80	170	94
1 yr		STL	NHL	82	28	49	77	22	12	21	6	1	5	31	16	2	234	12.0	368	1702	20:46	1086	824	56.9	36	31	94	33
Career		10 yrs	NHL	733	183	316	499	-31	96	119	57	7	25	214	93	9	1691	10.8	2671	14344	19:34	7346	5933	55.3	411	330	721	284
2009-10	18	COL	NHL	81	8	18	26	4	18	6	0	2	2	18	0	0	135	5.9	211	1358	16:46	485	529	47.8	53	37	69	31
2010-11	19	COL	NHL	74	13	13	26	-7	16	10	2	1	0	10	2	1	119	10.9	181	1188	16:03	531	494	51.8	31	53	72	23	Selke-53
2011-12	20	COL	NHL	81	18	37	55	-1	12	14	4	0	3	26	11	0	189	9.5	302	1582	19:32	762	681	52.8	50	62	101	34	Byng-46,Selke-14
2012-13	21	COL	NHL	29	6	14	20	-3	4	3	3	0	0	11	3	0	66	9.1	118	537	18:30	241	215	52.9	14	7	34	10	Selke-33
2013-14	22	COL	NHL	80	28	36	64	-1	2	19	9	0	6	23	13	0	201	13.9	320	1586	19:49	192	179	51.8	43	22	83	33	AS-11,Byng-1,Selke-6
2014-15	23	COL	NHL	82	17	38	55	-5	12	14	2	1	1	27	10	1	171	9.9	273	1617	19:43	713	621	53.4	48	38	98	26	Byng-9,Selke-12
2015-16	24	BUF	NHL	71	21	39	60	-16	8	12	8	1	2	25	14	0	157	13.4	243	1543	21:44	1024	788	56.5	43	17	47	28	Byng-5,Selke-33
2016-17	25	BUF	NHL	72	20	35	55	-1	10	11	8	1	3	18	16	1	189	10.6	297	1545	21:28	1039	752	58.0	45	21	58	27	Byng-10,Selke-11
2017-18	26	BUF	NHL	81	24	37	61	-23	2	9	15	0	3	25	8	4	230	10.4	358	1686	20:49	1273	850	60.0	48	42	65	39	Byng-2,Selke-11
2018-19	27	STL	NHL	82	28	49	77	22	12	21	6	1	5	31	16	2	234	12.0	368	1702	20:46	1086	824	56.9	36	31	94	33

 

 

Chris Johnston

 

✔ @reporterchris

 

 

Ryan O'Reilly is the first player to score in four straight Stanley Cup Final games since Wayne Gretzky in 1985.

 

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[ChevyVanMiller]

[PetermansRedemption]

How in the world do people hold a grudge against O’Reilly? The team around him sucked and showed no signs of getting better. I would probably lose my love for the game too if every night I played we lost. 

[row_33]

Blues goalie stood on his head and kept the Bs off the board

 

[GG]

53 minutes ago, Bills2ref said:

How in the world do people hold a grudge against O’Reilly? The team around him sucked and showed no signs of getting better. I would probably lose my love for the game too if every night I played we lost. 

 

They traded young assets to acquire him and gave him a pretty lucrative extension, then named him captain hoping that he would lead the rebuild of a talented young core.   

 

Instead he packed it in and sulked his way into a forced trade.   So excuse me for not sharing his newfound enthusiasm for a game.  Once a quitter, always a quitter. 

[Marv's Neighbor]

Anybody BUT Boston!!!  Life is good!

[row_33]

15 minutes ago, Marv's Neighbor said:

Anybody BUT Boston!!!  Life is good!

 

3 sports titles at once would be a bit much

 

 

[Lurker]

21 minutes ago, GG said:

Instead he packed it in and sulked his way into a forced trade.   So excuse me for not sharing his newfound enthusiasm for a game.  Once a quitter, always a quitter. 

 

Idiotic hot take. 

 

This fiction that ROR packed anything in in his final year tells me how stupid a segment of the fanbase is.     Look at those stats I posted above.    24 goals, 61 points (3 off the team lead),  15 PP goals (team lead), 1,686 minutes of ice time (highest of any forward), 1,273 faceoff wins (60%), voted second for the Byng, 11th for the Selke.    Those numbers were among the best of his career and only marginally less than what he put up this year in St. Louis with better talent supporting him.

[GG]

16 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

Idiotic hot take. 

 

This fiction that ROR packed anything in in his final year tells me how stupid a segment of the fanbase is.     Look at those stats I posted above.    24 goals, 61 points (3 off the team lead),  15 PP goals (team lead), 1,686 minutes of ice time (highest of any forward), 1,273 faceoff wins (60%), voted second for the Byng, 11th for the Selke.    Those numbers were among the best of his career and only marginally less than what he put up this year in St. Louis with better talent supporting him.

 

The hotter take is that Botts shipped him out of town based on a 25 second snippet to reporters on locker clean out date. 

 

You do not ship out your captain who've you already invested $10's millions into, without something serious going on behind the camera lens.

[Dr. Who]

18 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

Idiotic hot take. 

 

This fiction that ROR packed anything in in his final year tells me how stupid a segment of the fanbase is.     Look at those stats I posted above.    24 goals, 61 points (3 off the team lead),  15 PP goals (team lead), 1,686 minutes of ice time (highest of any forward), 1,273 faceoff wins (60%), voted second for the Byng, 11th for the Selke.    Those numbers were among the best of his career and only marginally less than what he put up this year in St. Louis with better talent supporting him.

Why do you think ROR was traded? He sulked his way off the team the same way he sulked his way off Colorado. Don't know how the Sabres would have looked with a center spine of Eichel, O'Reilly, Mitts, and Asplund, but I'm guessing this coming year they might have been formidable, especially with a coaching change. He's a good player, not so good dude, imo. Feel free to think differently. Personally, I don't believe everyone who disagrees with me is dim, but that's your perogative as well.

[Lurker]

3 minutes ago, GG said:

 

The hotter take is that Botts shipped him out of town based on a 25 second snippet to reporters on locker clean out date. 

 

You do not ship out your captain who've you already invested $10's millions into, without something serious going on behind the camera lens.

 

So, what about your hot take that ROR  "packed it in?"   Huh?    Don't deflect the issue by pointing in another direction from what you wrote.   

 

We get enough of that **** from the tool in the WH...

[GG]

1 minute ago, Lurker said:

 

So, what about your hot take that ROR  "packed it in?"   Huh?    Don't deflect the issue by pointing in another direction from what you wrote.   

 

We get enough of that **** from the tool in the WH...

 

And where from your deductive reasoning did I mention that packing in referred simply to points output?  Especially, when I specifically referred to his captaincy and charge to lead a young team.  Care to explain his leadership qualities rubbing off on Eichel, Reinhart & others?  

[Lurker]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

Why do you think ROR was traded? He sulked his way off the team the same way he sulked his way off Colorado. Don't know how the Sabres would have looked with a center spine of Eichel, O'Reilly, Mitts, and Asplund, but I'm guessing this coming year they might have been formidable, especially with a coaching change. He's a good player, not so good dude, imo. Feel free to think differently. Personally, I don't believe everyone who disagrees with me is dim, but that's your perogative as well.

 

Define sulk.   He showed up night after night for 81 games.   He had over 200+ more minutes of ice time than any other forward.   He had the second best scoring year of his career and was the Sabres go-to guy in every critical faceoff or defensive zone matchup.     

 

And perogative is to ignore people who make up **** like these kind of posts...

 

 

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

And where from your deductive reasoning did I mention that packing in referred simply to points output?  Especially, when I specifically referred to his captaincy and charge to lead a young team.  Care to explain his leadership qualities rubbing off on Eichel, Reinhart & others?  

 

Still deflecting I see...    

 

[Dr. Who]

8 minutes ago, Lurker said:

 

Define sulk.   He showed up night after night for 81 games.   He had over 200+ more minutes of ice time than any other forward.   He had the second best scoring year of his career and was the Sabres go-to guy in every critical faceoff or defensive zone matchup.     

 

And perogative is to ignore people who make up **** like these kind of posts...

 

So now folks who disagree with you are dim, make crappy posts, and ought to be ignored? You're a lovely fellow. Again, why was he traded? His play was not the issue. If you use your superior intellect you might discern I said he was a good player, so why are you quoting me stats to indicate he is a good player. I'm not disputing that. Teams don't ordinarily trade players like that who produce well and certainly not for questionable and generally poor returns unless they are forced to because of issues obvious or not. I surmise character problems that might be connoted broadly as a sulk.

Edited June 13, 2019 by Dr. Who

[Lurker]

https://buffalonews.com/2019/06/12/st-louis-blues-stanley-cup-ryan-oreilly-nhl-jordan-binnington/

 

O'Reilly never wanted to be traded when he said he had lost his passion for the game. He told TSN that last year at the World Championships, saying he was looking forward to playing with Rasmus Dahlin. His father reiterated the point on the Garden ice Wednesday night.

 

"His comment about being complacent with losing and we have a culture where we're not doing the hard work was what he believed," Brian O'Reilly said. "We've always told our kids if you want to find the truth, you've got to remove and point out what's false. And he pointed out the falsehood. There are false things and he called them out.

 

"He had no intention of leaving. He wanted to stay there and build it. But once something leaves your mouth, people pick up anything they want from it and make it into anything they want. I guess that's what happened.

 

We love Buffalo. I have the greatest respect for Terry (owner Terry Pegula). They treated him so well. I love the city. It was so nice to drive three hours and go to games. We were happy there. But they decided to move on."

[Dr. Who]

Who are these "people" who "pick up anything they want from it and make it into anything they want?" Do you think the hoi polloi got O'Reilly traded? Either JBots is as dim as the other folks you have contempt for or there was a problem.

[GG]

Interesting comments from dad.  One would imagine that the team captain would try to enforce that players worked hard to achieve the goal.  Isn't that a big reason for the big C on the sweater?

[Lurker]

https://theathletic.com/1003253/2019/05/31/ryan-oreillys-unique-approach-to-the-game-began-long-before-the-nhl/

 

“It’s been an absolute rollercoaster. Throughout the whole thing,” O’Reilly said.

 

“It’s crazy how one year can change so dramatically.  Being so disappointed. And not thinking I was going to be traded at all. Sitting there at the end of the year thinking how do I be a part of this change? Thinking I’ve got to do some things different in order to get this group in the right way.

 

Next thing you know I hear I’m kind of on the block and then I’m traded.”

[Dr. Who]

ROR can say whatever he wants for public consumption. If the fella didn't want out, he wouldn't have been traded. 

[GG]

6 minutes ago, Lurker said:

https://theathletic.com/1003253/2019/05/31/ryan-oreillys-unique-approach-to-the-game-began-long-before-the-nhl/

 

“It’s been an absolute rollercoaster. Throughout the whole thing,” O’Reilly said.

 

“It’s crazy how one year can change so dramatically.  Being so disappointed. And not thinking I was going to be traded at all. Sitting there at the end of the year thinking how do I be a part of this change? Thinking I’ve got to do some things different in order to get this group in the right way.

 

Next thing you know I hear I’m kind of on the block and then I’m traded.”

 

Sounds like he just admitted that he was a ***** captain.

[K-9]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

ROR can say whatever he wants for public consumption. If the fella didn't want out, he wouldn't have been traded. 

Yep. It was a carefully orchestrated exit. 

[Dr. Who]

40 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Yep. It was a carefully orchestrated exit. 

In which case, ROR's public expression ought to be ironized, no? He's not just some simple, hardworking emo who was blindsided by a trade. But maybe Jbots didn't realize ROR was a good player so he traded him for a bad return just because, you know, he's a dim.

[K-9]

7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

In which case, ROR's public expression ought to be ironized, no? He's not just some simple, hardworking emo who was blindsided by a trade. But maybe Jbots didn't realize ROR was a good player so he traded him for a bad return just because, you know, he's a dim.

Yeah, I’m pretty sure that’s it, too. JBotts simply had no idea O’Reilly was any good at all. He probably thought he got a steal from St. Louis in return, too. 

 

Seriously though, if Pegs had insisted on paying that $7.5m bonus BEFORE the trade, it probably would have opened up additional trade opportunities with other teams. 

 

Anyway, as good as ROR is, if not for Binnington’s arrival and, more importantly, the naming of Berube as coach, he’d still have been the sulking post game emo he was his first three months in St. Louis when he, once again, was helping his team to a last place position in the standings. 

[Q-baby!]

Lots of sour grapes here. 

[Doc]

O'Reilly is a follower, not a captain.  The Sabres mistake was thinking he was one.

[K-9]

13 minutes ago, Q-baby! said:

Lots of sour grapes here. 

Not from me. I congratulate Ryan O’Reilly on winning the cup and being named MVP.

 

I am also glad he’s no longer on my favorite team. Have been since we traded him. Good a player as he is. He wanted out and needed to go. It wasn’t a healthy situation for anybody concerned. 

 

 

[row_33]

Nice to see former Leaf Nancy Steen hoist the Cup

 

 

 

[JohnC]

41 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Not from me. I congratulate Ryan O’Reilly on winning the cup and being named MVP.

 

I am also glad he’s no longer on my favorite team. Have been since we traded him. Good a player as he is. He wanted out and needed to go. It wasn’t a healthy situation for anybody concerned. 

 

 

I've read and heard radio reports that the GM was determined to trade him. So that tells you that the situation was untenable. It was also reported that another team that was interested in him was Montreal who also needed a second line center. Apparently the return in each case was not so overwhelming. I have not and will not be critical of the trade because obviously the GM felt compelled that the locker room needed to be altered. What is noticeable about this deal is that I don't recall any players making any statements on or off the record criticizing the organization for this trade. 

 

 

[row_33]

13 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I've read and heard radio reports that the GM was determined to trade him. So that tells you that the situation was untenable. It was also reported that another team that was interested in him was Montreal who also needed a second line center. Apparently the return in each case was not so overwhelming. I have not and will not be critical of the trade because obviously the GM felt compelled that the locker room needed to be altered. What is noticeable about this deal is that I don't recall any players making any statements on or off the record criticizing the organization for this trade. 

 

 

 

some times it really is "all business"

 

[JohnC]

2 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

some times it really is "all business"

 

In hockey more than most sports the "mix" in the room is very important. It's has to be remembered that ROR was a captain and a core player. When an organization invests in a player like him and the player is not invested in the team then that is not a simple problem but a festering problem that needs to be addressed. The best way to deal with the fallout of the void created by his departure is to act as quickly to fill the void. This is going to be an important offseason for the GM to address some of the roster needs. 

[row_33]

13 minutes ago, JohnC said:

In hockey more than most sports the "mix" in the room is very important. It's has to be remembered that ROR was a captain and a core player. When an organization invests in a player like him and the player is not invested in the team then that is not a simple problem but a festering problem that needs to be addressed. The best way to deal with the fallout of the void created by his departure is to act as quickly to fill the void. This is going to be an important offseason for the GM to address some of the roster needs. 

 

i believe that Mark Messier had the ability to scare a teammate into trying a little harder, just by staring at him between the 2nd and 3rd.  No other sport can do that.

 

The Leafs always beat up a teammate who sleeps with the wife of another Leaf, pretty severe injuries dished out.

 

 

[JohnC]

Just now, row_33 said:

 

i believe that Mark Messier had the ability to scare a teammate into trying a little harder, just by staring at him between the 2nd and 3rd.  No other sport can do that.

 

The Leafs always beat up a teammate who sleeps with the wife of another Leaf, pretty severe injuries dished out.

 

 

Mark Messier was a genuine tough guy. What gave him credibility is not his words or menacing stare but his fanatical effort. No one on the ice was going to play harder. His passion was real. However, there are different styles of leadership. All of them revolve around authenticity. You can't be someone you are not. A player like Skinner shows leadership not through verbal fluidity but through effort in preparation and in the games. 

 

The sports world in every sport is a small world. There are few secrets. Having sex with a teammates wife or significant other is fraught with danger and complexity. The link below is about the infamous NY Yankee wife swap that at the time caused a public sensation but was well known by the baseball world before it became public. 

 

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/original-wife-swap-yankee-pitchers-trade-lives-article-1.2138703