Ol Dirty B 1,231 Posted June 8 12 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: well, ROR was not here for the tank..so he construction of the roster was meant to win. Now you can argue the roster stunk, i tend to think the coach stunk... Having said that, i am fine with the trade. As i have mentioned 1000 times..go back in the Sabres archived thread and look at most peoples posts from October and November. Blues were fighting in practice, in DFL in the NHL and Sabres were tied for 1st overall, and we all were saying ROR kills a room and Sabres are way better off without him. New coach comes in and voila'.. the argument prolly should be framed ROR for Housley... They won the November trophy... Yay. I don't even follow hockey much but this post is ridiculous. They aren't better with out him, not in anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plenzmd1 2,064 Posted June 8 8 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: They won the November trophy... Yay. I don't even follow hockey much but this post is ridiculous. They aren't better with out him, not in anyway. My point was all the fretting over the trade is revisionist history. People who are killing JBotts for the trade now( everywhere, not just in this thread) were praising him in November for getting rid of the room killer. I know you have not been in this thread, but as anyone on here can tell you, even in mid December i was screaming there was a big problem with the Sabres..and it was the coach. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnC 1,793 Posted June 8 5 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: My point was all the fretting over the trade is revisionist history. People who are killing JBotts for the trade now( everywhere, not just in this thread) were praising him in November for getting rid of the room killer. I know you have not been in this thread, but as anyone on here can tell you, even in mid December i was screaming there was a big problem with the Sabres..and it was the coach. It is unfair to say that he was a room killer. He wasn't. That is not to say that as a captain he was a leader. He wasn't. He's more of an insular person who is more comfortable working on his game and playing up to his high standards than demanding it from others. There are no players on the Sabres or in the league who will out work him in preparation and in the games. The Sabres traded with Colorado to get him. He came from a losing team. He played for Buffalo for a couple of years on a losing team with little near future prospects for success. He wanted out of that oppressive losing environment. I understand his perspective; and I understand the GM's perspective. You can't have one of your highly paid core players on a long-term deal openly express his desire for a change of scenery. That is not only untenable but it can be poisonous to the team. This situation of a player wanting to be moved happens frequently not only in the NHL but also in all pro sports. However, make no mistake about it when he was dealt it left a considerable void. How the GM handles the market this offseason will determine whether ROR's departure was crippling in the short or the longer run. If the GM can bolster the roster this offseason then his loss will be less damaging. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plenzmd1 2,064 Posted June 8 10 minutes ago, JohnC said: It is unfair to say that he was a room killer. He wasn't. That is not to say that as a captain he was a leader. He wasn't. He's more of an insular person who is more comfortable working on his game and playing up to his high standards than demanding it from others. There are no players on the Sabres or in the league who will out work him in preparation and in the games. The Sabres traded with Colorado to get him. He came from a losing team. He played for Buffalo for a couple of years on a losing team with little near future prospects for success. He wanted out of that oppressive losing environment. I understand his perspective; and I understand the GM's perspective. You can't have one of your highly paid core players on a long-term deal openly express his desire for a change of scenery. That is not only untenable but it can be poisonous to the team. This situation of a player wanting to be moved happens frequently not only in the NHL but also in all pro sports. However, make no mistake about it when he was dealt it left a considerable void. How the GM handles the market this offseason will determine whether ROR's departure was crippling in the short or the longer run. If the GM can bolster the roster this offseason then his loss will be less damaging. I am not arguing any of your points, and i am not saying he was or was not a room a room killer( i think it readily apparent Housley was the true room killer, but i digress), i am saying the vast majority of people killing JBotts for the trade now were praising him for the trade in July and November...but that's the nature of trades..ya win some, ya lose some...this one was almost universally praised as addition by subtraction.....hindsight is not so kind to it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alaska Darin 486 Posted June 8 2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: I am not arguing any of your points, and i am not saying he was or was not a room a room killer( i think it readily apparent Housley was the true room killer, but i digress), i am saying the vast majority of people killing JBotts for the trade now were praising him for the trade in July and November...but that's the nature of trades..ya win some, ya lose some...this one was almost universally praised as addition by subtraction.....hindsight is not so kind to it That's because most "fans" are far too quick to glean onto the smallest infractions and blow them out of proportion. O'Reilly was honest about the losing getting to him and any Sabres' fan who ripped him for it is a goddamn hypocrite. He's a smart player who works his ass off and I'm the least surprised person in the world that he's kicking ass in the playoffs. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gomper 39 Posted June 8 1 hour ago, Alaska Darin said: That's because most "fans" are far too quick to glean onto the smallest infractions and blow them out of proportion. O'Reilly was honest about the losing getting to him and any Sabres' fan who ripped him for it is a goddamn hypocrite. He's a smart player who works his ass off and I'm the least surprised person in the world that he's kicking ass in the playoffs. Exactly. Although the optics of his comments about losing his desire (I'm also not sure that didn't stem from advice from his agent to goose a trade) are borderline treasonous to fans, I didn't blame him a bit for wanting out. The organization is and has been a mess for years. Why would he want to waste his prime hoping that this GM will finally pry the team out of its crypt and back towards the land of the living. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ol Dirty B 1,231 Posted June 9 On 6/8/2019 at 8:30 AM, plenzmd1 said: My point was all the fretting over the trade is revisionist history. People who are killing JBotts for the trade now( everywhere, not just in this thread) were praising him in November for getting rid of the room killer. I know you have not been in this thread, but as anyone on here can tell you, even in mid December i was screaming there was a big problem with the Sabres..and it was the coach. Fair enough, I agree the coach was definitely an issue. I'm just not a fan of giving away talent for what will end up being nothing. I feel pretty confident about that being the result. None of them will be near what O'Reilly is. One already quit. I'm not an O'Reilly fan either. I'm just a fan of good management and sending a guy out because of that crap he pulled in his last presser for nothing isn't good management. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnC 1,793 Posted June 9 On 6/8/2019 at 11:29 AM, Alaska Darin said: That's because most "fans" are far too quick to glean onto the smallest infractions and blow them out of proportion. O'Reilly was honest about the losing getting to him and any Sabres' fan who ripped him for it is a goddamn hypocrite. He's a smart player who works his ass off and I'm the least surprised person in the world that he's kicking ass in the playoffs. My hope is that the GM is going to act with dispatch (but also intelligently) in upgrading the roster this offseason. My fear is if the losing continues with this battered franchise that it will spill over and have the same dispiriting affect on its core players such as Jack and Reinhart as it did with ROR. I believe that Risto is already at the point or close to that point where he is tired of knowing only losing and watching the playoff games from his couch. Sometimes a change of scenery can be energizing for all the parties involved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Philly McButterpants 44 Posted June 10 Game time! Who's watching?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Philly McButterpants 44 Posted June 10 Brett Hull has been drinking all day apparently . . . 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 1,543 Posted June 10 ****! It's going to be that kind of night for the Blues, I'm afraid... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T&C 273 Posted June 10 42 minutes ago, Philly McButterpants said: Brett Hull has been drinking all day apparently . . . Who hasn't? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snafu 1,256 Posted June 10 Blues are playing like they want to close this out tonite. I would be surprised if they don’t tie it up here in the second period. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Helpmenow 413 Posted June 10 So Hard to beat a team 3 in a row like Boston. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Brown 3,159 Posted June 10 Beating them in Boston in game 7 would be more satisfying, but I don't want to see another damn Boston team win so let's hope for a 3rd period comeback. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doc Brown 3,159 Posted June 10 On 6/8/2019 at 8:30 AM, plenzmd1 said: My point was all the fretting over the trade is revisionist history. People who are killing JBotts for the trade now( everywhere, not just in this thread) were praising him in November for getting rid of the room killer. I know you have not been in this thread, but as anyone on here can tell you, even in mid December i was screaming there was a big problem with the Sabres..and it was the coach. I remember it more like public opinion being about 60/40 in favor of it. I was in the minority that wanted him to stay as I never liked the Housley hiring. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Helpmenow 413 Posted June 10 (edited) I was pulling for the blues, feel bad for all the fans there. The blues needed the first goal tonight. Damn bruins Edited June 10 by Helpmenow Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
row_33 4,077 Posted June 10 The Bruins win when they bother to show up and play hard. Never seen a team toss away games without caring like the Bs in the playoffs, year after year Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nextmanup 609 Posted June 10 Game 7 should be a lot of fun. I just hope it's a close game. It would be awesome if we could it to OT. 1 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
row_33 4,077 Posted June 10 11 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Game 7 should be a lot of fun. I just hope it's a close game. It would be awesome if we could it to OT. if the Bruins try it will be over quickly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KD in CA 2,809 Posted June 10 12 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Game 7 should be a lot of fun. I just hope it's a close game. It would be awesome if we could it to OT. It will be awesome of Boston loses. It will completely suck if Boston wins. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lurker 1,543 Posted June 10 1 hour ago, row_33 said: if the Bruins try it will be over quickly The will and they will... It was a nice run by an over-achieving Blues team but their lack of scoring power has bit them on the ass... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
row_33 4,077 Posted June 10 21 minutes ago, Lurker said: The will and they will... It was a nice run by an over-achieving Blues team but their lack of scoring power has bit them on the ass... it's frustrating playing Boston (Leafs fan here) because they simply only bother trying hard enough to win the series. against the Canucks in the Final awhile back they slacked off at the first 3 games in Vancouver and came out blazing and took the Cup Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. WEO 2,871 Posted June 11 On 6/10/2019 at 3:28 PM, KD in CA said: It will be awesome of Boston loses. It will completely suck if Boston wins. On 6/10/2019 at 3:37 PM, Lurker said: The will and they will... It was a nice run by an over-achieving Blues team but their lack of scoring power has bit them on the ass... NHL must be dying for a Bruins win. National interest is already so low that they need a northeastern city, where (along with northern Midwestern states) every kid growing up knows how to skate or at least plays street hockey in the summer, so NHL has more cultural relevance. NHL has steadily lost influence with expansion to southern cities (along with Cup finals appearances) like Nashville, Tampa Bay, Vegas--or even LA or San Jose. Those are places where most people have never seen real ice outside of the bottom of a Super Big Gulp or a rocks glass a the bar at Buffalo Wild Wings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Formerly Allan in MD 587 Posted June 12 Binnington should perhaps take a mild tranquilizer prior to the game? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
