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Which trade do you prefer?

Which trade do you prefer?  

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  1. 1. Which of the 3 trades (all mentioned in the media in the past 2 days) do you prefer? L'veon Bell, Jadeveon Clowney, Kyle Rudolph (multiple choices allowed)

    • Le'Veon Bell (13 mill guaranteed) for 2020 2nd rounder + 5th rounder (or Shady in place of 5th rounder)
      15
    • Jadeveon Clowney (say, 50 million guaranteed) for 2020 2nd rounder + 4th rounder
      90
    • Kyle Rudolph (one year 7.275 million) for a 2020 fifth rounder
      126


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3 hours ago, MJS said:

None of those trades seem plausible to me. Why would a 2nd rounder get it done for Clowney? Why would a 5th be enough for Rudolph?

Because of the contracts. Yes Rudolph is worth more than a 5th but it is as much as teams are willing to give up AND take on his contract.

As for Clowney, he is not a superstar so a second seems quite accurate especially knowing you have to sign him to a long term cap space eating deal.

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18 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I like the topic. I voted for Rudolph as it is a little more low key. He’s an average NFL TE but with the Kroft injury he raises the floor. Even if Kroft comes back in a reasonable amount of time he and Rudolph are okay. It will give Knox some time to develop. 

 

I might chase Clowney in FA but don’t want to give up the assets.

 

...isn't Rudolph and a contract extension impasse with the Vikes?.......he's due to make $7.275 mil this year, so it'a a safe bet he's looking for $9-10 mil/yr......so would you gve a pick for a one year rental or have a deal in principle in place when he arrives at OBD for those dollars or whatever you think is an acceptable deal?....a four year deal would bring him up to age 33....

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18 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Rudolph.

Bell and Clowney are hard nos because of the draft picks.

While I love a running game , we have a potential monster QB and we all know a young QBs favorite security blanket.

 

 

+1

 

Just say no to big money contracts to big name guys who will be washed up before the contract is up.  And double-no if he's a me-first player like Bell.

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1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...isn't Rudolph and a contract extension impasse with the Vikes?.......he's due to make $7.275 mil this year, so it'a a safe bet he's looking for $9-10 mil/yr......so would you gve a pick for a one year rental or have a deal in principle in place when he arrives at OBD for those dollars or whatever you think is an acceptable deal?....a four year deal would bring him up to age 33....

Tricky question but I think I’d even do it on a rental basis. I’d give up a late rounder 5-7, for a year of him. This holds especially true if the Kroft injury is bad. If he is a monster this year you can always tag him. If not, he helps the development of Allen and Knox. The Vikings are up against it and just drafted Irv Smith. Ideally, you could sign Rudolph to a reasonable extension but even if not, I’d still consider it. 

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13 hours ago, Buffalo30 said:

Who is willing to give up Frank Clark type of compensation for Clowney before we know what we have on offense? 

But that's exactly why I'd be willing to make the move for Clowney. I'm interested in seeing the Bills win NOW. The defense is already good. You add a force like Clowney and it's suddenly one that scares the crap out of opposing QB's. That's a big deal. A dominant defense can help a young QB quite a bit and makes the playoffs a DISTINCT possibility THIS year. 

 

I just can't get down with the idea that we should wait until we know what we have on offense before making this kind of deal. We're all in on Allen. If he fails, it's gonna be a total re-do. But when you're all in, you have to go all in. 

 

Clowney has 9.5 sacks two straight seasons on a limited number of rushes. He's an extremely talented player with the potential to be even better. You add that guy to Oliver and Hughes and look out. I think people are hung up on Clowney taking some time to develop and being labeled a bust before his career got rolling. He's legit.

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22 hours ago, Rocket94 said:

I agree on Clowney. Even though many (including myself) say wait until August or the season to play out...he would be a monstrous addition to the defense. Even without high sack numbers, he is disruptive and good against the run. A few analysts (we know) even suggested that the Bills should trade for Clowney now instead of waiting for the draft to address the need at DE. And yes a 1st rounder is suggested.

It would be a nice mix on the line featuring Oliver, Clowney, Hughes and the mercurial Jordan Phillips.

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1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

But that's exactly why I'd be willing to make the move for Clowney. I'm interested in seeing the Bills win NOW. The defense is already good. You add a force like Clowney and it's suddenly one that scares the crap out of opposing QB's. That's a big deal. A dominant defense can help a young QB quite a bit and makes the playoffs a DISTINCT possibility THIS year. 

 

I just can't get down with the idea that we should wait until we know what we have on offense before making this kind of deal. We're all in on Allen. If he fails, it's gonna be a total re-do. But when you're all in, you have to go all in. 

 

Clowney has 9.5 sacks two straight seasons on a limited number of rushes. He's an extremely talented player with the potential to be even better. You add that guy to Oliver and Hughes and look out. I think people are hung up on Clowney taking some time to develop and being labeled a bust before his career got rolling. He's legit.

I absolutely refuse to give up a 1st and a second or third plus a 100 million dollar deal before we know what the offense looks like. We could be looking for a LT next year. We could also just select a DE in the first round and keep our picks and money. 

 

Why cant we go to the playoffs with this roster? Remember what we had when we went two years ago? It just seems like a rushed, expensive deal that could handcuff our cap space. 

 

Our offense was terrible. If it doesn’t get better we will need to address it through the draft next year but we wouldn’t be able to do that if we make a move like this before seeing what we have. For a team that’s looking for long term sustainable success, i don’t see them giving up those assets. 

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3 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

I absolutely refuse to give up a 1st and a second or third plus a 100 million dollar deal before we know what the offense looks like. We could be looking for a LT next year. We could also just select a DE in the first round and keep our picks and money. 

 

Why cant we go to the playoffs with this roster? Remember what we had when we went two years ago? It just seems like a rushed, expensive deal that could handcuff our cap space. 

 

Our offense was terrible. If it doesn’t get better we will need to address it through the draft next year but we wouldn’t be able to do that if we make a move like this before seeing what we have. For a team that’s looking for long term sustainable success, i don’t see them giving up those assets. 

They made a ton of offensive acquisitions and they have their QB. I'm sure the offense will need to be addressed next offseason. There's no reason you can't sign Clowney AND address the offense next year. The time to strike is when you're QB is on his rookie deal. Why not NOW? Sustained success just seems like another way of saying next NEXT year. At some point, these guys gotta win.

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5 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

I absolutely refuse to give up a 1st and a second or third plus a 100 million dollar deal before we know what the offense looks like. We could be looking for a LT next year. We could also just select a DE in the first round and keep our picks and money. 

 

Why cant we go to the playoffs with this roster? Remember what we had when we went two years ago? It just seems like a rushed, expensive deal that could handcuff our cap space. 

 

Our offense was terrible. If it doesn’t get better we will need to address it through the draft next year but we wouldn’t be able to do that if we make a move like this before seeing what we have. For a team that’s looking for long term sustainable success, i don’t see them giving up those assets. 

The hypothetical is a second and a fourth plus 50 million guaranteed, no? Don't think anyone is proposing trading next year's first.

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7 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

The hypothetical is a second and a fourth plus 50 million guaranteed, no? Don't think anyone is proposing trading next year's first.

I was making a comparison to the Clark deal which would be a measuring stick for clowney. I don’t think a 2nd and a 4th would do it. 

 

It’s easy to come up with a hypothetical but I think they are asking for more than that based on the Clark deal. I’m in a don’t trade the first position because the offense has too many question marks to give up that much draft capital and cap space for a defensive player. 

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7 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

They made a ton of offensive acquisitions and they have their QB. I'm sure the offense will need to be addressed next offseason. There's no reason you can't sign Clowney AND address the offense next year. The time to strike is when you're QB is on his rookie deal. Why not NOW? Sustained success just seems like another way of saying next NEXT year. At some point, these guys gotta win.

If you are giving up next years 1 like the Frank Clark deal, I’m out. You have a talented class of players coming in next season with a lot of the strength positions looking like they are in line with our potential needs. Free agency could include a plethora of talented DEs.

 

The defense wasn’t the problem last season, a DE doesn’t put us over the top. Doesn’t mean we couldn’t use another at the right time and at the right cost. A much improved offense does. I understand that we added pieces there but we have no idea if those players will gel and pan out. We aren’t in the same position as KC. We didn’t have a top offense last season. Don’t get rid of most valuable assets before the offense proves something. 

 

 

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