iinii Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: It's something I can't give you doc. And believe me, in a 90 plus thread I tried my best to make it simple for you. Like I said...I tried to help you on this one...over and over. But you wouldn't hear this loud train coming. It was so easy, but your lack of insight blinded to you to what was inevitable. I tried too. Doc just couldn’t let that bone go..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 4 hours ago, KD in CA said: So the whole investigation resulted in no ability to prosecute anyone who traffics women. Great....so much for that. Why continue to waste time and money chasing a john? That's as stupid as chasing pot smokers for drug trafficking. Multiple rich guys go there because it's Jupiter, FL and (until now) was an quick, anonymous place to get off. Duh. Being a rich, old man doesn't give them the ability to break up Chinese mob trafficking operations. Stop arguing on behalf of the wrong and dumb just because WEO may not always be the most gracious poster. I'm not arguing that Kraft or any of the johns could have stopped this. I don't care either way if they go after the johns. They are a town police force and are not going to solve all of this. Maybe that individual place will close up and move to the next town though. That's no solution really but I can see how Jupiter might think it benefited. 5 hours ago, stevestojan said: “Prosecutors recently acknowledged in court that they have no evidence that any Orchids of Asia employee is a victim of sex trafficking.” The turnip truck is parked at 23rd and 5th. Hurry up and hop back on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 coming soon......case dismissed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, papazoid said: coming soon......case dismissed Surprised it hasn't happened already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 17 minutes ago, papazoid said: coming soon......case dismissed Lance Ito saves the day.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 11 hours ago, Estro said: Good for him. The whole bugging of the massage room is a blatant breach of privacy, IMO. Then to drag his name through the whole trafficking mud when his circumstance had nothing to do with trafficking was an attempt to make the story a lot bigger than it was. Kraft was probably one of the few men who was indicted who had the money and legal advice to expose this case for what it was.......a whole lot of nothing. I see this thread is where the Pats Backers are meeting today. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Just now, jimmy10 said: I see this thread is where the Pats Backers are meeting today. Carry on. .....you're late............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 So if the judge threw out the tape ..... someone can go through the garbage and sell it.... LOL He's rich. he will get a light punishment for the "crime". We all know this. The Public Humiliation on the other hand will last a long time. 1 hour ago, papazoid said: coming soon......case dismissed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 pathetic. 41 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: So if the judge threw out the tape ..... someone can go through the garbage and sell it.... LOL He's rich. he will get a light punishment for the "crime". We all know this. The Public Humiliation on the other hand will last a long time. not sure why crime is in quotes. it was a crime. plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 hours ago, papazoid said: coming soon......case dismissed Coming soon? I think that already happened. Isn't that what's on the tape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 hours ago, 87168 said: pathetic. not sure why crime is in quotes. it was a crime. plain and simple. no real reason. what other evidence to they have beyond the tape? the tape, no evidence, no crime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 11 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: I'm not saying it would. My suspicion is that the police made a lot of mistakes but that their original case was about trafficking and that there probably was trafficking going on. These women are very likely truly victims in ways none of us can imagine. Pats fans on a Bills board getting gleeful that the case fell apart so they can brag on their team's owner is sad to me. The police also may have naively thought that pent up losers like Kraft might have enough remorse to help by providing information/evidence once they learned of the women's plight. I couldn't disagree more strongly. These were old woman, not fresh of the boat, they were not drugged out held prisoners like the police tried to imply. Yes they lived on the premise, wth not? There is a lot of "down time" waiting for customers, it is not as if you make an appointment for a rub and tug, well not normally. I saw a picture of an inside, i saw the refrigerator stocked with food, looked better stocked and cleaner than mine. There are serious cultural issues to boot, sex for money is not nearly the taboo for some cultures as is ours. I highly, highly doubt they were trafficked. If they were trafficked then the pretext for the video would have been valid and the video evidence would not have been thrown out? And where are the trafficking charges? None, They monitored the place for months. They were not trafficked "victims" as you claim. Independent businesswoman, probably made good tax free money giving old guys handjobs. Deal with it. 17 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: no real reason. what other evidence to they have beyond the tape? the tape, no evidence, no crime I am not internet google lawyer so someone may correct me but the police were actively monitoring it, i wonder if they could ask the police what they saw. Also if they can convince the women to rat out the Johns then they could go to trial based on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: no real reason. what other evidence to they have beyond the tape? the tape, no evidence, no crime No traffic stop either 1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said: I couldn't disagree more strongly. These were old woman, not fresh of the boat, they were not drugged out held prisoners like the police tried to imply. Yes they lived on the premise, wth not? There is a lot of "down time" waiting for customers, it is not as if you make an appointment for a rub and tug, well not normally. I saw a picture of an inside, i saw the refrigerator stocked with food, looked better stocked and cleaner than mine. There are serious cultural issues to boot, sex for money is not nearly the taboo for some cultures as is ours. I highly, highly doubt they were trafficked. If they were trafficked then the pretext for the video would have been valid and the video evidence would not have been thrown out? And where are the trafficking charges? None, They monitored the place for months. They were not trafficked "victims" as you claim. Independent businesswoman, probably made good tax free money giving old guys handjobs. Deal with it. I am not internet google lawyer so someone may correct me but the police were actively monitoring it, i wonder if they could ask the police what they saw. Also if they can convince the women to rat out the Johns then they could go to trial based on that. Unless they can hear the johns offer money for sex, all they can say is that after a very exhilarating massage, the perp gave the lady $100. Without proof there was an offer made, there's no solicitation, is there? Guy can say "she spontaneously started to manipulate me, I let her continue...and I thanked her with a nice big tip" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted May 14, 2019 Author Share Posted May 14, 2019 16 hours ago, daz28 said: Except that it was a crime. No idea why anyone would be happy, because someone gets away with a crime, because they have high priced lawyers. All these poor sex criminals having their good names dragged through the mud?? I believe you need to be convicted in court to come to that conclusion right? There is no video and there is no traffic stop. So there is basically no evidence that can be used to convict anyone of a crime in court? And as to the poor guys who foolishly accepted the plea deal, they should have done more reading on the legal opinions about the case against them. Even before Kraft's legal team got started with their motions, a number of legal pundits commented that the evidence gathered by the Jupiter police was likely to get thrown out because of the faulty way it was gathered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 And we know that this judge will be at the Kraft mansion and sitting in the Kraft private luxury booth come the patriots first home game this season ... Color me shocked, or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: And we know that this judge will be at the Kraft mansion and sitting in the Kraft private luxury booth come the patriots first home game this season ... Color me shocked, or not. Can we color you shiny silver instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Can we color you shiny silver instead? That's the best you can do ? ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: No traffic stop either Unless they can hear the johns offer money for sex, all they can say is that after a very exhilarating massage, the perp gave the lady $100. Without proof there was an offer made, there's no solicitation, is there? Guy can say "she spontaneously started to manipulate me, I let her continue...and I thanked her with a nice big tip" Do you know what the best legal response for the customers who just wanted some stimulation? Nothing! There are repercussions for police bad conduct. For the cop/s who stated that they would make up a reason for a vehicle stop how much credibility are they going to have in court for a DWI case? And for those who involved in making false claims on the search warrant do you think the magistrate is going to give them the benefit of the doubt the next time? And don't doubt that defense attorneys will gleefully bring up the issue of making false presentations when they have to testify in court for other cases? When you lose your credibility you don't just lose it for the case in hand----it has a disqualifying effect in future cases. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 16 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: It's something I can't give you doc. And believe me, in a 90 plus thread I tried my best to make it simple for you. Like I said...I tried to help you on this one...over and over. But you wouldn't hear this loud train coming. It was so easy, but your lack of insight blinded to you to what was inevitable. Oh, believe me WEO, you've given me everything I thought you would when I first learned Bobby was caught on video breaking the law. I couldn't have scripted it any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: That's the best you can do ? ... Proportional response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, prissythecat said: I believe you need to be convicted in court to come to that conclusion right? There is no video and there is no traffic stop. So there is basically no evidence that can be used to convict anyone of a crime in court? And as to the poor guys who foolishly accepted the plea deal, they should have done more reading on the legal opinions about the case against them. Even before Kraft's legal team got started with their motions, a number of legal pundits commented that the evidence gathered by the Jupiter police was likely to get thrown out because of the faulty way it was gathered. Oh, there's a video all right. And it will make its way to the public like they all do. 11 hours ago, iinii said: I tried too. Doc just couldn’t let that bone go..... Go get your shinebox. Edited May 14, 2019 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Proportional response. When the judge handling the deflated balls crap against Brady threw it out of court he ended up at the Kraft preseason kickoff party at the mansion and then spent opening weekend in the Kraft owners booth for the first game what can one draw a conclusion to, pats fan ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: Oh, believe me WEO, you've given me everything I thought you would when I first learned Bobby was caught on video breaking the law. I couldn't have scripted it any better. You only have one script. And I "gave you " the comments of the entire internet that described, right after the news broke, how the defense would attack and seek to suppress the video AND the traffic stop. And this exactly what they did. And it succeeded. And all you can perseverate on is liking and hating and all this weird superfan stuff. Look, we all get it. You STILL can't get over the fact that I wouldn't join you on any of your McCoy (another guy caught breaking the law on camera) incident love fests. 7 minutes ago, Doc said: Oh, there's a video all right. And it will make its way to the public like they all do. Go get your shinebox. Man doc, for a guy who goes out of his way to qualify that he personally does NOT want to see that tape-----you can not stop talking about the release of that tape! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: When the judge handling the deflated balls crap against Brady threw it out of court he ended up at the Kraft preseason kickoff party at the mansion and then spent opening weekend in the Kraft owners booth for the first game what can one draw a conclusion to, pats fan ? Oh really? The "Kraft mansion" for a "preseason kickoff party", you say? That's fascinating! Got a link for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) expect charges to be dropped shortly thereafter based on no evidence that can be used in court... Edited May 14, 2019 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Oh really? The "Kraft mansion" for a "preseason kickoff party", you say? That's fascinating! Got a link for that? Do your own research ... I have no time for you pats fan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Just now, frostbitmic said: Do your own research ... I have no time for you pats fan. Oh come on, you can't be busy. Show us all that party, at the Kraft mansion, where Berman very suspiciously "ended up". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Oh come on, you can't be busy. Show us all that party, at the Kraft mansion, where Berman very suspiciously "ended up". ? believe what you want ... now go away 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: You only have one script. And I "gave you " the comments of the entire internet that described, right after the news broke, how the defense would attack and seek to suppress the video AND the traffic stop. And this exactly what they did. And it succeeded. And all you can perseverate on is liking and hating and all this weird superfan stuff. Look, we all get it. You STILL can't get over the fact that I wouldn't join you on any of your McCoy (another guy caught breaking the law on camera) incident love fests. Man doc, for a guy who goes out of his way to qualify that he personally does NOT want to see that tape-----you can not stop talking about the release of that tape! Yup. Because that's the only real punishment for Bobby. And I'm just calling it the way it is. You didn't regurgitate the comments of the entire internet about how Shady would/should/could defend himself from baseless attacks. But when Bobby got fingered (literally), there you were. Just like I figured. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 minute ago, frostbitmic said: ? believe what you want ... now go away You brought this here. You made an obviously false claim to support your conclusion....and you want me to go away when I point this out? That's not really how things work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, matter2003 said: expect charges to be dropped shortly thereafter based on no evidence that can be used in court... That would be the next step. ID and video are out; case looks dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: You brought this here. You made an obviously false claim to support your conclusion....and you want me to go away when I point this out? That's not really how things work. I'm sure I'm enjoying this more than you are but none the less pats fans opinions aren't worth more than a laugh to me.... Sorry pats fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Doc said: Yup. Because that's the only real punishment for Bobby. And I'm just calling it the way it is. You didn't regurgitate the comments of the entire internet about how Shady would/should/could defend himself from baseless attacks. But when Bobby got fingered (literally), there you were. Just like I figured. That's because it wasn't the unanimous opinion of the internet that "attacks" (no irony there right doc?) on poor McCoy were all "baseless". In fact, there were many here on this very site who disagreed with your conclusion that McCoy is completely innocent of everything. However, there was essential unanimity (I'm excepting for you, 4merper4mer and the 2 guys who said Kraft, et al had "no standing" to challenge the admissibility of the tape) on the internet regarding how this would go for Kraft. 3 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: I'm sure I'm enjoying this more than you are but none the less pats fans opinions aren't worth more than a laugh to me.... Sorry pats fan Some people whip themselves on their backs with chains. Go figure... Edited May 14, 2019 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: You brought this here. You made an obviously false claim to support your conclusion....and you want me to go away when I point this out? That's not really how things work. IIRC he is mistaken on the location and the host of the party. I don't think you should have to look it up since you know everything about Kraft already. We'll take your word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Worst case should be that this is just a misdemeanor for Krafty Bob. If so, he'll just get a slap on the hand. I want to see what Goodell does for punishment. If no punishment from the NFL, that would be a travesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Just now, 4merper4mer said: IIRC he is mistaken on the location and the host of the party. I don't think you should have to look it up since you know everything about Kraft already. We'll take your word for it. I looked it up because I was sure he was wrong. And he was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: No traffic stop either Unless they can hear the johns offer money for sex, all they can say is that after a very exhilarating massage, the perp gave the lady $100. Without proof there was an offer made, there's no solicitation, is there? Guy can say "she spontaneously started to manipulate me, I let her continue...and I thanked her with a nice big tip" John after john comes in into a massage parlor suspected of prostitution, pays the initial fee then after sex pays a huge bonus. Extremely strong circumstantial evidence. Yes if the cop heard it or if Kraft made some gestures to insinuate sex for cash. And if they ladies turn on the Johns that would also work. Odds are pretty good they were here illegally, that and immunity might be enough to coerce them into testifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said: Worst case should be that this is just a misdemeanor for Krafty Bob. If so, he'll just get a slap on the hand. I want to see what Goodell does for punishment. If no punishment from the NFL, that would be a travesty. The guy got a rub and tug. You really expect him to be punished by Goodell? You do know Goodell works for Kraft? If he doesn't get punished, it will be a travesty? Seriously? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: John after john comes in into a massage parlor suspected of prostitution, pays the initial fee then after sex pays a huge bonus. Extremely strong circumstantial evidence. Yes if the cop heard it or if Kraft made some gestures to insinuate sex for cash. And if they ladies turn on the Johns that would also work. Odds are pretty good they were here illegally, that and immunity might be enough to coerce them into testifying. Possibly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said: Worst case should be that this is just a misdemeanor for Krafty Bob. If so, he'll just get a slap on the hand. I want to see what Goodell does for punishment. If no punishment from the NFL, that would be a travesty. Honestly, I think the punishment from the NFL should be light if anything at all and IMO it need not be publicly disclosed. It's pointless. If there had been a legal case made for trafficking not involving Kraft, even if the case failed, then maybe something, but the investigation didn't work and the chance for the whole truth to be known has been swept under the rug. I see the NFL having no standing to do anything harsh. IMO Kraft should come out with a release saying he had no inkling that trafficking was going on there, still doesn't know, but that he has become more aware of its general existence and ugliness and that he is donating $x to help stop it. It would help his reputation and maybe shed a little light on the issue. I doubt he will do a blessed thing and don't feel he has a legal or maybe even moral obligation to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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