Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 8 hours ago, Bill from NYC said: I would welcome a trade down that focuses on the Bills getting and extra 1st round pick in 2020. BB, imo the 2020 draft could put this team over the top if it isn't bungled. Whats in that draft? 5 minutes ago, mannc said: Not necessarily. The Cardinals only gave up a third (plus a late round pick) to move from 15 to 10 to pick Rosen. Im not listening, LaLaLaLa ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said: Whats in that draft? BB, as I think that you know, I am a life long Crimson Tide Fan. The Tide has 3 receivers who will have completed their junior year and will be draft eligible: 1) Jerry Jeudy At the rate he is going, he could easily be a top 10 pick. Picture Ridley x2. He is fast, impossible to cover, and has great hands, but: what really makes him stand out to me is his coordination. The kid is simply great. 2) Henry Ruggs Not a huge kid but he has one of the fastest 40 times in history. He also has great hands and moves. Not enough? He even blocks! You like Foster? This kid blows him away. 3) Devonta Smith He would be a well kept secret were it not for his catch for the title vs. Georgia. This kid runs precise routes and is always open. He also might have the best hands on the team. Imagine Josh Allen, with his tremendous skills, throwing to ANY of these kids!!!!! I dream of this BB. GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said: BB, as I think that you know, I am a life long Crimson Tide Fan. The Tide has 3 receivers who will have completed their junior year and will be draft eligible: 1) Jerry Jeudy At the rate he is going, he could easily be a top 10 pick. Picture Ridley x2. He is fast, impossible to cover, and has great hands, but: what really makes him stand out to me is his coordination. The kid is simply great. 2) Henry Ruggs Not a huge kid but he has one of the fastest 40 times in history. He also has great hands and moves. Not enough? He even blocks! You like Foster? This kid blows him away. 3) Devonta Smith He would be a well kept secret were it not for his catch for the title vs. Georgia. This kid runs precise routes and is always open. He also might have the best hands on the team. Imagine Josh Allen, with his tremendous skills, throwing to ANY of these kids!!!!! I dream of this BB. GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im thinking we go WR in this draft. Plus after we win the Super Bowl we wont be able to draft that high Anything else ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 The play will be Miami and Denver. Miami will want to jump Denver to get a QB. Beane needs to get them in a bidding war. Trade with Denver and get their seond round pick and only drop one slot and still get the same player they would have picked at 9. Or take a chance with Miami and drop to 13. Get next years #1 from Miami and still shoudl be able to take Hockenson, Fant, or second best OT at 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Ethan in Portland said: The play will be Miami and Denver. Miami will want to jump Denver to get a QB. Beane needs to get them in a bidding war. Trade with Denver and get their seond round pick and only drop one slot and still get the same player they would have picked at 9. Or take a chance with Miami and drop to 13. Get next years #1 from Miami and still shoudl be able to take Hockenson, Fant, or second best OT at 13. I'm sorry, but this is fantasy land. Miami is going to struggle this year and they are never trading next year's first round pick to move from 13 to 9. Never. Nor is Denver trading their second round pick to move up one slot. It is simply not happening. As I mentioned above, the Cardinals were able to move from 15 to 10 for Rosen last year and only gave up a third (plus a late round pick). There will be plenty of teams in the top 10 (including Detroit at 8, supposedly) who will be willing to trade down. I think it's going to be much cheaper than people think to trade up after Williams, Allen and Bosa are off the board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Jimmy Johnson draft charts hold up better today with the premium picks getting a premium price than they did 20 years ago considering the rookie wage cap. Teams still use it. Fans use it a lot more than teams. I doubt when a team is negotiating a trade, a GM is looking at a chart. More likely, the GMs are looking at what picks they have & go from there. Look at the Darnold & Allen trades last year. Indy traded 2,200 to the Jets for 2,540 in last years draft and what turned out to be another 550 in this year's draft. Nobody in the Jets front office was hung out to dry because they traded too many points to Indy. Indy jumped at the deal because it gave them 3 extra #2s and they were still able to get the player they wanted. The Jets knew that in order to assure themselves one of the top 3 QBs, they had to give whatever it took. That tells me the Jets had 3 QBs rated highly enough that it was worth whatever it would take-points be damned. The Bills traded for a spot worth 1,500 points and a 7th rounder not even on the chart because the chart doesn't account for comp picks. They gave up 1,910 points & were glad to keep their other 1st rounder. If necessary, Beane would have traded the 21st pick rather than lose Allen. Once again points be damned. Bottom line is if a team really has zoned in on a player, they don't give a rat's behind about JJ's chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 58 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Fans use it a lot more than teams. I doubt when a team is negotiating a trade, a GM is looking at a chart. More likely, the GMs are looking at what picks they have & go from there. Look at the Darnold & Allen trades last year. Indy traded 2,200 to the Jets for 2,540 in last years draft and what turned out to be another 550 in this year's draft. Nobody in the Jets front office was hung out to dry because they traded too many points to Indy. Indy jumped at the deal because it gave them 3 extra #2s and they were still able to get the player they wanted. The Jets knew that in order to assure themselves one of the top 3 QBs, they had to give whatever it took. That tells me the Jets had 3 QBs rated highly enough that it was worth whatever it would take-points be damned. The Bills traded for a spot worth 1,500 points and a 7th rounder not even on the chart because the chart doesn't account for comp picks. They gave up 1,910 points & were glad to keep their other 1st rounder. If necessary, Beane would have traded the 21st pick rather than lose Allen. Once again points be damned. Bottom line is if a team really has zoned in on a player, they don't give a rat's behind about JJ's chart. They absolutely look at it as a barometer to make sure they're not getting completely hosed. Some use the Johnson chart while others use Chase Stuart's chart. We talked about in another thread how teams that trade up for a QB usually have to pay a 20 to 25% premium as far as the points go as they're more desparate to trade up. If somebody wants to leapfrog the Broncos let's hope we get a premium in that trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 18 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Why does there have to be equality on the points chart? I don’t remember the Bills getting equal value when they moved up for Allen last year.. They had to bend over as should whoever wants to move up this year.. Also.. If Oliver is still there at 9 then just pick him.. Agree, If Oliver is there at 9 you simply run to the podium. If he's gone and somehow Hock is also gone, then I like the Giants scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 7 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Jimmy Johnson draft charts hold up better today with the premium picks getting a premium price than they did 20 years ago considering the rookie wage cap. Teams still use it. In analyzing trades over the past several years, the Rich Hill chart is far and away the most accurate of any value chart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 13 hours ago, thebandit27 said: I don't mean to blast the OP here... The team already has 10 picks They aren't devoid of the on-the-roster, role-player types that are found on days 2 and 3 The team lacks genuine studs at nearly all positions Free agency has brought a LOT of depth at the 2/3 spots at most positions All of the above indicate that they should trade UP, not down. Accumulating picks can be a useful tool if a team needs to change culture and/or strengthen their depth. This team needs a few studs that other teams are forced to game plan around. I would MUCH rather see them use their top 10 pick on a stud pass rusher (either at DT or EDGE) and then package day 2/3 picks and move back into round 1 for another stud at either WR, CB, DL, or LT. Only 3 picks in first three rounds. They will not pick 10 so they may move up in late rounds or better yet trade out for higher round next year 3 hours ago, mannc said: I'm sorry, but this is fantasy land. Miami is going to struggle this year and they are never trading next year's first round pick to move from 13 to 9. Never. Nor is Denver trading their second round pick to move up one slot. It is simply not happening. As I mentioned above, the Cardinals were able to move from 15 to 10 for Rosen last year and only gave up a third (plus a late round pick). There will be plenty of teams in the top 10 (including Detroit at 8, supposedly) who will be willing to trade down. I think it's going to be much cheaper than people think to trade up after Williams, Allen and Bosa are off the board. You are probably correct. But if QBs are in play strange things happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 14 hours ago, DCbillsfan said: The Bills will likely have a possible trade in place but if a guy they like is there at 9, they'll take that player. Reminds me of Denver's situation last year. Chubb was there at 5 so they canceled trade with Bills. So what you're saying is that when Denver saw they were getting a Chubb, they boned the Bills... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 I would pay serious money to some charity to leave my phone at the front door and sit in the draft room. I couldn’t outbid all of you, but I’d love to try! Bucket list stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 If Bills trade down I bet they get assets in 2020 draft- our first for their first this year and first next year kind of thing. We have a ton of players on roster already and I think they will be taking a long term approach here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: If Bills trade down I bet they get assets in 2020 draft- our first for their first this year and first next year kind of thing. We have a ton of players on roster already and I think they will be taking a long term approach here. I don’t think so. I think McBeane is in “win now” mode. I’m not sure their seat is hot, but they can’t afford another 6-10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 I think the Bills will trade up because with ten picks not all the picks can make the team.The only way I see a trade down is if the Bills are offered a player to trade down or if it is a high pick for next years draft (like a first or second). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 (edited) On 4/7/2019 at 6:51 PM, BillsFan1988 said: The Raiders pks #24 - 740 #27 - 680 #35 - 550 = 1970 Bills =1350 So 670 pt difference , that's the deal we should get from them. Maybe kick bk a 4th for good measure #24 - TE Fant #27 - DT Tillery #35- OT Risner #40 - DE Winovich #74- Isabella Luck Charms Scenario #24 DE Brian Burns #27 TE Noah Fant #35 DT Jeffery Simmons #40 OT/G Dalton Risner #74 Wr Andy Isabella You can demand these deals. But they don't have to say yes. They could easily say, "OK, thanks, we'll work something out with Cincy at #11 or GB at #12, or whatever." To get these premiums you need a desperate team. Last year we were desperate and everybody knew it. I don't know that a team with Carr on the roster should be as desperate as we were last year. Also worth looking at the Rich Hill chart as well as the traditional Johnson model. #24 - 237 #27 - 216 #35 - 170 equals 723 Bills #9 equals 387 Supposedly teams are moving towards the Hill model. Personally, if I'm Oakland I don't make this trade. In any case, I'm not convinced Oakland is going after a QB. I guess they are building around Carr. We'll see. I generally like trading back, a lot. But IMO if Oliver is still there, we snag him. Edited April 8, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 A trade down to 15 or so would be snazzy and take Marquise Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: A trade down to 15 or so would be snazzy and take Marquise Brown. Not sure what he thinks of Buffalo considering his cousin's comments/actions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 I think that at #9, the Bills are in a position where the "can't miss--high ceiling---HoF" odds go down a couple of notches. I would trade down no lower than the mid 20's from #9 AND also use the 3rd and 4th round extra picks to trade up from #41 to the mid 20's as well. Pick up a less famous DT with upside and one of the top 2 or 3 linebackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 12 hours ago, mannc said: I don’t think so. I think McBeane is in “win now” mode. I’m not sure their seat is hot, but they can’t afford another 6-10. I disagree totally. They're all about NOT being a win-now team. Their goal is specific ... long-term, consistent excellence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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