HappyDays Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 8:19 PM, YoloinOhio said: That’s just draft analysts. I don’t think his stock has changed with actual teams. Expand The so called "insiders" say that teams think he is undersized and some are projecting him as an LB. Like I said it could be BS but the story on him has changed a lot. At the beginning of the season we were talking about the Bills drafting Oliver at 1 or 2 overall. Now we're talking about drafting him at 9.
BuffAlone Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 8:19 PM, YoloinOhio said: That’s just draft analysts. I don’t think his stock has changed with actual teams. Expand Agreed. The whole sideline coat wearing spat thing hopefully is just enough to drop him to number 9 On 3/3/2019 at 8:23 PM, HappyDays said: The so called "insiders" say that teams think he is undersized and some are projecting him as an LB. Like I said it could be BS but the story on him has changed a lot. At the beginning of the season we were talking about the Bills drafting Oliver at 1 or 2 overall. Now we're talking about drafting him at 9. Expand Smoke. Cory Glenn can't play OT either lol 1
YoloinOhio Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 8:23 PM, HappyDays said: The so called "insiders" say that teams think he is undersized and some are projecting him as an LB. Like I said it could be BS but the story on him has changed a lot. At the beginning of the season we were talking about the Bills drafting Oliver at 1 or 2 overall. Now we're talking about drafting him at 9. Expand His combine interview is so good. He met with Bills today I think McD probably fell in love. Kid sounds like a nasty, aggressive football player who is most conducive to 3 technique and do whatever the coach asks. 3
3rdand12 Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 7:34 PM, YoloinOhio said: It is. I would like to draft him though. If we have the ability to draft 2 WRs I would take him in the 5th. Expand This is why i would like to see Bills maneuver picks. would like to see either 2TEs and or 2 Wrs or a combination to get 3 pass catchers from the draft. both of these things can happen outside of the first round and still acquire starters. right after FA fixes the O line. : ) and gets a TE in FA as well.
NewEra Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 6:48 PM, YoloinOhio said: Or Breshad Perriman Expand An even better comp as he’s bigger than Hill and also a strong wind away from the IR
BillsSB2020 Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 8:14 PM, HappyDays said: Oliver intrigues me. I'm normally wary of players that see their stock suddenly rise after the season ends, but for Oliver the exact opposite happened. He was a lock to be a top 3 pick and I now I see mocks where he isn't even taken in the top half of the 1st round. What changed? His size? On tape he still looks like an elite pass rusher to me. Right now he would be my favorite pick at 9, but who knows maybe he'll go top 5 after all. A lot of BS flies around this time of year. Expand Yeah. It seems like Oliver was so highly touted going into the season that the collective football world starting scrutinizing his perceived flaws well before the normal vetting process. Not sure if any of this actually translates as each team will compile their own board and he could still go top 5. I'd be thrilled with Oliver at 9.
3rdand12 Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 8:25 PM, YoloinOhio said: His combine interview is so good. He met with Bills today I think McD probably fell in love. Kid sounds like a nasty, aggressive football player who is most conducive to 3 technique and do whatever the coach asks. Expand this is a pick at Nine i can see them doing , if it falls to them. My plan is still viable 1
BuffAlone Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 8:25 PM, YoloinOhio said: His combine interview is so good. He met with Bills today I think McD probably fell in love. Kid sounds like a nasty, aggressive football player who is most conducive to 3 technique and do whatever the coach asks. Expand Other than Quinnen Williams, Oliver is my favorite player in this draft. If he should fall to 9, I'm sprinting to the podium! Those are the only two in this draft that absolutely scream Buffalo Bills to me. 2
YoloinOhio Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 8:30 PM, BillsSB2020 said: Yeah. It seems like Oliver was so highly touted going into the season that the collective football world starting scrutinizing his perceived flaws well before the normal vetting process. Not sure if any of this actually translates as each team will compile their own board and he could still go top 5. I'd be thrilled with Oliver at 9. Expand That is definitely what happened. I always say not to overthink things. He’s a top 5 prospect but this draft is deep and he could be there at 9. Would be great. 2
Logic Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 Another thing to think about: Beane and McDermott come from the Panthers, who have historically NOT drafted receivers with their 1st pick. They have much more often used high picks on defensive linemen and offensive linemen. The Panthers seem to go by the "no #1 WR, but a collection of #2 receivers" (pun intended only if you want it to be) school of thought. Based on McDermott and Beane's recent comments, they seem to agree. Something about a WR at 9 doesn't feel like it's in Beane/McDermott's wheelhouse. At any rate, so much of the draft discussion is almost completely pointless until we see what free agency brings. 4
JAMIEBUF12 Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 Because we need to build a o-line first.When the team is more solid then you can draft top ten wide receivers and tightends.Right now the Bills first priority should be to protect last years investment in our qb
ProcessAccepted Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 5:06 PM, YoloinOhio said: His combine was actually more fascinating than it was a complete success Expand This graph is awesome. Those are some really glaring holes in his game. Kinda reminds me of that "Trouble with the Curve" movie. Does anyone know if graphs like these are available for the other WRs?
Yav Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 7:48 PM, CommonCents said: Does he run good routes? Bucky Brooks said he was the biggest loser yesterday after looking sluggish in and out of breaks. Can a non ASU fan elaborate on this? He looks slow to me, I didn’t see the combine yesterday I’m just curious why Brooks was so down on him and guys are around here are so high. Expand https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2019/3/2/18245181/2019-nfl-combine-results-wide-receiver-tight-end https://www.google.com/amp/arizonasports.com/story/1859692/n-keal-harry-has-impressive-day-nfl-combine-40-yard-dash-jumping/amp/ Do a search on Twitter for N’Keal Harry and you’ll see. I get it most on the East Coast don’t get to see PAC 12 games, but this kid is the real deal. Thankfully some NFL scouts recognize how good this young man really is.
thebandit27 Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 8:38 PM, ProcessAccepted said: This graph is awesome. Those are some really glaring holes in his game. Kinda reminds me of that "Trouble with the Curve" movie. Does anyone know if graphs like these are available for the other WRs? Expand Yes mockdraftable is a website that has them 1
CommonCents Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 8:42 PM, Yav said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2019/3/2/18245181/2019-nfl-combine-results-wide-receiver-tight-end https://www.google.com/amp/arizonasports.com/story/1859692/n-keal-harry-has-impressive-day-nfl-combine-40-yard-dash-jumping/amp/ Do a search on Twitter for N’Keal Harry and you’ll see. I get it most on the East Coast don’t get to see PAC 12 games, but this kid is the real deal. Thankfully some NFL scouts recognize how good this young man really is. Expand https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001020526/article/2019-nfl-scouting-combine-winnerslosers-dk-metcalf-is-rare%3fnetworkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3Dstory&env=&pageKeyValues=prtnr%3Dcombine-winners-and-losers&p.ct=Combine%2bRecap%2b&p.adsm=false&p.tcm=%23000&p.bgc1m=%23EAEAEA&sr=amp Concering. From the limited amount of him that I have watched that’s what I see. Slow. If you’re so high on Harry what do you think about Butler? Seems you like the catch radius and speed, he is bigger, faster and has the wing span of a 7 footer.
MrEpsYtown Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 8:34 PM, Logic said: Another thing to think about: Beane and McDermott come from the Panthers, who have historically NOT drafted receivers with their 1st pick. They have much more often used high picks on defensive linemen and offensive linemen. The Panthers seem to go by the "no #1 WR, but a collection of #2 receivers" (pun intended only if you want it to be) school of thought. Based on McDermott and Beane's recent comments, they seem to agree. Something about a WR at 9 doesn't feel like it's in Beane/McDermott's wheelhouse. At any rate, so much of the draft discussion is almost completely pointless until we see what free agency brings. Expand Agreed! And just to kind of add to that, the offensive E-P system is really about complimentary routes. It's about guys doing their jobs. It really doesn't require a #1 guy. It requires the the QB to read things and find the open guy. 2
BuffAlone Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 8:46 PM, CommonCents said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001020526/article/2019-nfl-scouting-combine-winnerslosers-dk-metcalf-is-rare%3fnetworkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3Dstory&env=&pageKeyValues=prtnr%3Dcombine-winners-and-losers&p.ct=Combine%2bRecap%2b&p.adsm=false&p.tcm=%23000&p.bgc1m=%23EAEAEA&sr=amp Concering. From the limited amount of him that I have watched that’s what I see. Slow. If you’re so high on Harry what do you think about Butler? Seems you like the catch radius and speed, he is bigger, faster and has the wing span of a 7 footer. Expand Butler has issues with drops. Thats the difference
dpberr Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 I'm torn. I firmly believe that great WRs are expert route runners and he'd have to prove he could be one to draft him at #9.
BillsVet Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 This thread can be summed up as: "Fans enamored with player physiques confuse that with actual football skills." If performance in the combine was the deciding factor, Mike Mamula and Bruce Campbell would be HOFers. Pass on Metcalf. 1
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 On 3/3/2019 at 5:03 PM, Hebert19 said: After watching that performance. Hes like a combination of Julio Jones and EMO. Does he make it to 9 after this combine? Expand OL you can't win without a superb OL.Putting a nice set of speakers in a car doesn't is not good business. NO OL= little or no chance to be successful
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