mannc Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 43 minutes ago, Jasovon said: WR is a weird position in the draft, it seems like it should be relatively straight forward to see which guys are going to be quick and agile with good hands while others will struggle. However, most teams seem to really struggle to find good receivers, while others can churn them out with some regularity (such as Pittsburgh). One thing is certain, and that is that it takes a year or two for WRs to be productive, we need production immediately so i'd like us to get a guy like Adam Humphries as well as a prospect in the 2nd round. I don't want a WR at 9 because i don't trust us to pick one worth that price, much rather go after OL there. Very true. WR seems to be a difficult position to draft well. In 2017 there were three guys taken in the top 9 and all have struggled to varying degrees. And the fourth receiver off the board (Zay) has been far from great. And in 2016, the four first round WRs have been flat out awful (alright, Fuller has been OK)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, mannc said: Very true. WR seems to be a difficult position to draft well. In 2017 there were three guys taken in the top 9 and all have struggled to varying degrees. And the fourth receiver off the board (Zay) has been far from great. And in 2016, the four first round WRs have been flat out awful (alright, Fuller has been OK)... It is one reason that the combine doesn't bother me too much, nobody has any idea what a good NFL WR is meant to look like at the combine anyway. Metcalf worries me because he looks like he has taken alot of roids, i could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Just now, Jasovon said: It is one reason that the combine doesn't bother me too much, nobody has any idea what a good NFL WR is meant to look like at the combine anyway. Metcalf worries me because he looks like he has taken alot of roids, i could be wrong. No, Metcalf looks like a damn advertisement for anabolic steroids. Caveat emptor! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Looks pretty dang good to me if he is there in the second which i'm not sure if that will happen that would allow Bean to get a really good O lineman with the first pick & a really good WR with the second rounder i'm in !! Plus he has the size that McD likes & showed some good moves in open space to make people miss not real sure if he would dig the B/Lo winter seeing as he played ball in Az. but he would be a welcome pick !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 19 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: His qb sucked in college. Like sucked really bad. I am in the minority but I would rather have Harry than Metcalf. It’s hot take but I’ve loved the guy for 2 years. Can’t back off now! This is the play where I started wanting him on the Bills lol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Here everyone just do yourself a favor and watch this... Displays strength, agility, adjustment to the ball, and eye popping catches. This is a highlight video obviously but it shows a lot of NFL traits including those hands! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, Jasovon said: It is one reason that the combine doesn't bother me too much, nobody has any idea what a good NFL WR is meant to look like at the combine anyway. Metcalf worries me because he looks like he has taken alot of roids, i could be wrong. The Steelers seem too. that said, it’s so hard to evaluate because it’s such a dependent position. If your qb or oline suck, it’s going to be tough for a receiver to shine. I think you need guys who can successfully run the route tree, get separation, and didn’t play in gimmicky offenses that get them open simply off play designs. for these reasons, a guy like DK makes me very nervous. But yeah, receiver can be a very tough position to evaluate. Also, there are good qbs who can elevate receivers and bad ones who can bring them down. I’d argue in Buffalo, we’ve had some good receivers held back by bad qbs (healthy Sammy, Evans, Moulds, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: The Steelers seem too. that said, it’s so hard to evaluate because it’s such a dependent position. If your qb or oline suck, it’s going to be tough for a receiver to shine. I think you need guys who can successfully run the route tree, get separation, and didn’t play in gimmicky offenses that get them open simply off play designs. for these reasons, a guy like DK makes me very nervous. But yeah, receiver can be a very tough position to evaluate. Also, there are good qbs who can elevate receivers and bad ones who can bring them down. I’d argue in Buffalo, we’ve had some good receivers held back by bad qbs (healthy Sammy, Evans, Moulds, etc.) We've definitely had good receivers here in the past, at one point we had Watkins, Woods and Goodwin all at once and did almost nothing with them. That said Sammy has been on the best offense in the league two seasons in a row and been a non factor which is interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Just now, Jasovon said: We've definitely had good receivers here in the past, at one point we had Watkins, Woods and Goodwin all at once and did almost nothing with them. That said Sammy has been on the best offense in the league two seasons in a row and been a non factor which is interesting. Injuries. He was off to a very good start this year before he got hurt and he did have 8 tds with the Rams. And I know people love laughing at the decoy thing but it is legit. A huge reason our passing game has sucked for 2 years is no defense respects any receivers to beat them deep. Foster emerged at the end but it took like 10 games. That’s why you need multiple threats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 35 minutes ago, section122 said: Here everyone just do yourself a favor and watch this... Displays strength, agility, adjustment to the ball, and eye popping catches. This is a highlight video obviously but it shows a lot of NFL traits including those hands! I do still like him, and granted it's highlights so it'll tend to be more about the contested catches than anything else, but he didn't really show any separation skills in this video. I don't think he's as stiff a route runner as some say, but I think his ability to get separation is a larger concern than it is for DK, who has similarly been attacked over that. I think Kelvin Harmon and JJ Arcega-Whiteside are similar prospects that can be had maybe a round later than Harry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I would be on board with BPA in the first and Harry in the second depending on how free agency goes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 hour ago, section122 said: This is the play where I started wanting him on the Bills lol. I don’t know.....that doesn’t really look like a Buffalo Bills WR. That won’t fit in with what I’ve been watching. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Sometimes even the best WRs don't get separation on a given play, that is when you need a guy to go up and just get the ball which is what Harry does as good as anyone in this draft. This guy has a huge catch radius, is 6-4 with 4.5 speed, insane hands, great after the catch as well.. He just looks the part of a top outside WR. He is the opposite of Kelvin Benjamin. DK is also intriguing to me but carries more risk. I don't see McBeane risking it at 9. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I may be in the minority, but I still think Zay will develop into a fine WR. That said give me some DK if for no other reason than to make Donkey Kong references. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 51 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said: I would be on board with BPA in the first and Harry in the second depending on how free agency goes. Anyone would be happy to have the best WR in the draft in the second round. Problem is he'll be gone in the first. 38 minutes ago, Augie said: I don’t know.....that doesn’t really look like a Buffalo Bills WR. That won’t fit in with what I’ve been watching. Why? Because he can catch the ball? I guess if you want more of the same then DK is the guy. He'll drop the ball just as good as KB did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 22 minutes ago, Yav said: Anyone would be happy to have the best WR in the draft in the second round. Problem is he'll be gone in the first. Why? Because he can catch the ball? I guess if you want more of the same then DK is the guy. He'll drop the ball just as good as KB did. I wouldnt say he is the best WR in draft but he could go later in the first round. I am not a DK fan but some team will get him early. I think there are 4 or 5 WRs that are all right there at the top but the defensive talent is deep so I would be not be surprised if not many WR's are picked in the first after the run on QB's and Dlineman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 3 hours ago, DCOrange said: I do still like him, and granted it's highlights so it'll tend to be more about the contested catches than anything else, but he didn't really show any separation skills in this video. I don't think he's as stiff a route runner as some say, but I think his ability to get separation is a larger concern than it is for DK, who has similarly been attacked over that. I think Kelvin Harmon and JJ Arcega-Whiteside are similar prospects that can be had maybe a round later than Harry. While I will agree that he looks blanketed on these requiring the contested catches, I think he did show some excellent change of direction skills. His speed issues are a bit overblown imo. He pulled away from some guys from on play 5 but most importantly he runs well with the ball in his hands. So he might not be the fastest guy but he gets open enough to make catches and then runs well. At the heart of it though I like him because he can catch the ball. I hate when a receiver can do everything but has "concentration drops" or "needs to improve hands" or "is a body catcher." To me those guys should be avoided and it is why DK makes me nervous. Catching is the base of everything they do, so to my completely amateur evaluation eye, is the most important thing to me. I gave up a couple of years ago getting to hyped about each prospect or picking favorites. Harry is one of a few guys I would like but the Bills never seem to draft the guys I really like so I prefer to wait and see who they get. I stopped pounding the tables for any one player. A lot less disappointment that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Is there a chance we can get all these WRs coming out to play in Carolina for a few years so we can truly evaluate them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 3 hours ago, DCOrange said: I do still like him, and granted it's highlights so it'll tend to be more about the contested catches than anything else, but he didn't really show any separation skills in this video. I don't think he's as stiff a route runner as some say, but I think his ability to get separation is a larger concern than it is for DK, who has similarly been attacked over that. I think Kelvin Harmon and JJ Arcega-Whiteside are similar prospects that can be had maybe a round later than Harry. I don't know on several of those where he didn't have separation there was pretty clear and called pass interference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Imo.... It is going to be easy to find slot receivers and we actually already have 2 on the roster. We need A work the middle TE who can block A speed outside guy line help both sides get younger at RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts