Calling it now: Zay Jones will not be on the week 1 roster.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, SWATeam said:

What would you call 56 catches for 652 yards and 7 TD's in year two?  In that disaster of an offense that we fielded?

 

I'd call it a mediocre output when you delve a little deeper into when and how he was targeted and when and how those catches came. Less than 55% catch ratio.

 

I think Zay showed in 2018 that he deserves to be in the NFL (which he didn't as a rookie) but he hasn't yet shown that is has the skills to be a solid #2. He has to get open more and catch more of the balls that are thrown his way to be that.

[SWATeam]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'd call it a mediocre output when you delve a little deeper into when and how he was targeted and when and how those catches came. Less than 55% catch ratio.

 

I think Zay showed in 2018 that he deserves to be in the NFL (which he didn't as a rookie) but he hasn't yet shown that is has the skills to be a solid #2. He has to get open more and catch more of the balls that are thrown his way to be that.

The jump from year one to year two was drastic.  I think he is ascending.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'd call it a mediocre output when you delve a little deeper into when and how he was targeted and when and how those catches came. Less than 55% catch ratio.

 

I think Zay showed in 2018 that he deserves to be in the NFL (which he didn't as a rookie) but he hasn't yet shown that is has the skills to be a solid #2. He has to get open more and catch more of the balls that are thrown his way to be that.

 

Yet, many are still saying Zay isn't good enough and that Zay needs to improve.   

• Isn't it true that 90% of young NFL players need to improve season after season?  

 

I don't think anyone is claiming Zay is a #1.  Nor should it be said he's lucky to be a #4. 

 

Outlandish comments get outlandish replies.   Then things escalates and you end up with 50 page threads 

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

Yet, many are still saying Zay isn't good enough and that Zay needs to improve.   

• Isn't it true that 90% of young NFL players need to improve season after season?  

 

I don't think anyone is claiming Zay is a #1.  Nor should it be said he's lucky to be a #4. 

 

Outlandish comments get outlandish replies.   Then things escalates and you end up with 50 page threads 



 

He does still need to improve. I have held since the start of this thread, many, many moons ago... that I thought Zay would be on this roster but that it wasn't the most ridiculous prediction ever that he might not be. And I say that as someone who was high on Zay in the draft and gets higher on him with every semi nude.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

He does still need to improve. I have held since the start of this thread, many, many moons ago... that I thought Zay would be on this roster but that it wasn't the most ridiculous prediction ever that he might not be. And I say that as someone who was high on Zay in the draft and gets higher on him with every semi nude.

 

For clarity ..  I was speaking to the thread and not accusing you specifically 

 

 

(even though you are a bit harsher than some)   

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

You dug a deep hole to climb out of with the OP.   And yes I /we've seen you "soften" your stance throughout. 

 

points 1-3

Season 1 was bad.  No argument there.   

Season 2 was markedly better.  Not "spectacular" but better.  

Season 3 ... with what little we see and hear is also shaping up.  Meaning we are not hearing a lot of criticism and if it is deserving you know the Buffalo media would be all over it. 

 

Zay will be on the field week one with Buffalo for 80% (min) of the snaps. 

Of course if he's starting it means he's earned it.    What Bill hasn't earned it in the McDermott regime (with the exception of Peterman).

 

P.S.  IMO -  Fosters "fame" was because he caught 3 deep passes and racked up yards.  [ some will claim it to be garbage time stats (not me) ]

 

 

 

What hole did I dig though?  Lol, some of you talk like everything depends on this thread lol.  Im not invested in Zay failing...I want him to succeed, always have.  But I am not going gloss over his struggles either and wouldn't do that with any player.  

 

I dont disagree with points 1 or 2 above...it was better...but it was also not good.  

 

Season 3 hasn't started yet...they are in shorts.  Nathan Peterman looks good in shorts.  There is little to criticize at this stage.  If you make it to the NFL, you should be able to catch passes against air.    

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, MasterStrategist said:

I did read the thread and you have gone back and forth with your stance, significantly back pedaling at times.

 

And as far as thread title, that is the first thing people read.

 

Put me in the crowd, of Zay will make the team.  Calling it now. 

 

Ridiculous to say he was cuttable his rookie year.  He is known as one of the hardest working players at his position on the team, and has the skills to be a solid #2 wr in this league.  

 

Your choice of words is about being right and wrong when you say someone is going to get cut or traded.  And you have been pretty defensive about ppl calling you out in several posts, so I interpret that as you being upset or bothered by the notion that someone would dare to call you out.  Just saying

 

Lol...no you didn't, you didn't read it...or if you did, you didn't pay attention.  Because I haven't back pedaled nor gone back and forth with my stance even once.  

 

There is nothing wrong with the thread title...it literally is a "prediction" thread title, which matches the body of the email.  I mean the very first lines of the OP clearly outline it was NOT some arrogant guarantee and just a simple opinion:  "I could be wrong, but this is just what I believe based on the additions I expect Beane to make in the WR room.  I have no issues if others don't agree, just my opinion on the matter, nothing more."  

 

Its not my fault if you want to make up your own narrative on a thread title and skip the very first line of the actual post.  

 

And on the "cuttable" comment, you are taking that differently from what I said.  I was not implying he SHOULD have bene cut or was about to be cut.  I said he went out and had a "cuttable" season on the field in terms of how he performed.  Meaning, other people have been cut for seasons who weren't as bad, but they didn't have the kind of leash a 2nd round rookie will have that they traded up to get.  So its NOT ridiculous to grade the season that it was bad enough it would get other guys cut if they went out and performed the same.  

 

On you last point...wrong again.  Never once I have ever said he would be cut, further showing you didn't read the thread as I said this over and over again from the beginning.  My case from my very first post in this thread was that I felt Zay would slip on the depth chart against better competition.  The second part was that Beane loves getting value and draft assets.  So if Zay fell on the depth chart, I felt Beane would try and trade him while he had value before a season of a backup role would further diminish his trade value.  

 

And again, not defensive at all.  Why is it if people directly address a poster and said poster then responds its supposed to mean one is upset or defensive?  I mean its pretty funny you say that after a few posts back claiming I should be out here defending my thread lol.  

 

Since the get go, I have had no issues with people on the other side of the fence.  I acknowledged I was taking a chance early in this thread with this prediction, but it was just how I felt.  Literally started the thread by saying "I could be wrong"...yet now here you are thinking I am "back pedaling" or going "back and forth with my stance" as if I give 2 craps about my thoughts on 2/27 being right.  I find that comical actually, not upset at all.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

31 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

What hole did I dig though?

calling-it-now-zay-jones-will-not-be-on-the-week-1-roster

 

come on, really?   That ^ says it all.   

 

If your title doesn't match the thread content then it is deceiving, whether done on purpose or  not. 

 

 

Honestly .............   Who's glossing over his struggles?  

 

I believe I stated the rationale in my post. 

 

I don't think anyone is claiming Zay is a #1.  Nor should it be said he's lucky to be a #4. 

 

Outlandish comments get outlandish replies.   

 

I believe it's perceived that people are glossing over his struggles and juts as it's perceived that people are saying he sucks.  

Edited May 30, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[MasterStrategist]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Lol...no you didn't, you didn't read it...or if you did, you didn't pay attention.  Because I haven't back pedaled nor gone back and forth with my stance even once.  

 

There is nothing wrong with the thread title...it literally is a "prediction" thread title, which matches the body of the email.  I mean the very first lines of the OP clearly outline it was NOT some arrogant guarantee and just a simple opinion:  "I could be wrong, but this is just what I believe based on the additions I expect Beane to make in the WR room.  I have no issues if others don't agree, just my opinion on the matter, nothing more."  

 

Its not my fault if you want to make up your own narrative on a thread title and skip the very first line of the actual post.  

 

And on the "cuttable" comment, you are taking that differently from what I said.  I was not implying he SHOULD have bene cut or was about to be cut.  I said he went out and had a "cuttable" season on the field in terms of how he performed.  Meaning, other people have been cut for seasons who weren't as bad, but they didn't have the kind of leash a 2nd round rookie will have that they traded up to get.  So its NOT ridiculous to grade the season that it was bad enough it would get other guys cut if they went out and performed the same.  

 

On you last point...wrong again.  Never once I have ever said he would be cut, further showing you didn't read the thread as I said this over and over again from the beginning.  My case from my very first post in this thread was that I felt Zay would slip on the depth chart against better competition.  The second part was that Beane loves getting value and draft assets.  So if Zay fell on the depth chart, I felt Beane would try and trade him while he had value before a season of a backup role would further diminish his trade value.  

 

And again, not defensive at all.  Why is it if people directly address a poster and said poster then responds its supposed to mean one is upset or defensive?  I mean its pretty funny you say that after a few posts back claiming I should be out here defending my thread lol.  

 

Since the get go, I have had no issues with people on the other side of the fence.  I acknowledged I was taking a chance early in this thread with this prediction, but it was just how I felt.  Literally started the thread by saying "I could be wrong"...yet now here you are thinking I am "back pedaling" or going "back and forth with my stance" as if I give 2 craps about my thoughts on 2/27 being right.  I find that comical actually, not upset at all.  

 I am just sharing my interpretation of your posts, word choice.  We can agree to disagree on all of this.

 

You're the one pointing out I'm wrong, you're right...seems a little defensive if you ask me.  I'm just sharing an opinion, and you seem to be getting upset at my reactions.  So be it

 

3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

calling-it-now-zay-jones-will-not-be-on-the-week-1-roster

 

come on, really?   That ^ says it all.   

 

If your title doesn't match the thread content then it is deceiving, whether done on purpose or  not. 

BINGO!  

 

[Stank_Nasty]

9 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

calling-it-now-zay-jones-will-not-be-on-the-week-1-roster

 

come on, really?   That ^ says it all.   

 

If your title doesn't match the thread content then it is deceiving, whether done on purpose or  not. 

 

 

Honestly .............   Who's glossing over his struggles?  

 

I believe I stated the rationale in my post. 

 

I don't think anyone is claiming Zay is a #1.  Nor should it be said he's lucky to be a #4. 

 

Outlandish comments get outlandish replies.   

 

I believe it's perceived that people are glossing over his struggles and juts as it's perceived that people are saying he sucks.  

is the OP's title really that outlandish? I personally have always thought the chances of jones being on the roster were solid, but I cant call it outlandish when somebody liking the additions beane has made and teaming with the fact that jones hasn't been good and predicting jones may not make the roster.

 

that's not some crazy over the top prediction. and like the OP has stated the improvement from year 1 to year 2 was basically like polishing a freaking turd. hopefully he takes yet another jump.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said:

is the OP's title really that outlandish? I personally have always thought the chances of jones being on the roster were solid, but I cant call it outlandish when somebody liking the additions beane has made and teaming with the fact that jones hasn't been good and predicting jones may not make the roster.

 

that's not some crazy over the top prediction. and like the OP has stated the improvement from year 1 to year 2 was basically like polishing a freaking turd. hopefully he takes yet another jump.

 

In my opinion, yes,  and based on 50 pages of "discussion" it appears that many others agree. 

 

This would have been a far better title   - -calling-it-now-zay-jones-has-a-lot-of-work-to-do-OR- he-will-not-be-on-the-week-1-roster

 

there there would have been far less arguments 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

21 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

In my opinion, yes,  and based on 50 pages of "discussion" it appears that many others agree. 

 

This would have been a far better title   - -calling-it-now-zay-jones-has-a-lot-of-work-to-do-OR- he-will-not-be-on-the-week-1-roster

 

there there would have been far less arguments 

 

Thats not the recipe for a 50 page thread.

 

Here is the Recipe...

 

1) clickbait like over the top prediction headline 

2) respond to every single post

3) spend the entire thread backpedaling from outlandish clickbait headline hedging with, “hope I’m wrong”, “really like the guy”, “not into I told you so’s” (although if Zay is cut or traded, there will be of course, an ‘I told- you-so’) 

 

its all  good fun though... gotta pass the off season somehow...

 

 

Edited May 30, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

calling-it-now-zay-jones-will-not-be-on-the-week-1-roster

 

come on, really?   That ^ says it all.   

 

If your title doesn't match the thread content then it is deceiving, whether done on purpose or  not. 

 

 

Honestly .............   Who's glossing over his struggles?  

 

I believe I stated the rationale in my post. 

 

I don't think anyone is claiming Zay is a #1.  Nor should it be said he's lucky to be a #4. 

 

Outlandish comments get outlandish replies.   

 

I believe it's perceived that people are glossing over his struggles and juts as it's perceived that people are saying he sucks.  

 

What are you even talking about here...lol.  

 

No offense here, but this is about the worst reply I have seen in this thread.  "Come on, really?  That ^ says it all." is about the most ridiculous comment anyone could write about the basis of a thread.  A title literally says nothing other than to indicate the subject of a thread.  The actual post will “say it all”. 

 

Thats like going to book stores and reading the quotes on the back of a book jacket and then going around arguing with people who did actually read the book as if you know anything about the book.  

 

And...again, nothing wrong with the thread title...it was a prediction based on thoughts I had about events that had not happened yet.  Thread title clearly identified that it was a prediction and the body of the OP stated the basis of those thoughts and that it was simply just an opinion, not a guarantee.  

 

22 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Thats not the recipe for a 50 page thread.

 

Here is the Recipe...

 

1) clickbait like over the top prediction headline 

2) respond to every single post

3) spend the entire thread backpedaling from outlandish clickbait headline hedging with, “hope I’m wrong”, “really like the guy”, “not into I told you so’s” (although if Zay is cut or traded, there will be of course, an ‘I told- you-so’) 

 

its all  good fun though... gotta pass the off season somehow...

 

 

 

Ha...so let me get this straight...guess the prerequisite then here is to form an agenda against Zay, hate him, dismiss all positive signs at all times as non existent, and rail on him to no end all in vain to defend a thread?  

 

Now that you mention it...that does sound more TSW like and on par with many of the posters here.  

 

My mistake for actually preferring a player on the Bills to succeed vs "winning the internet".  Guess that equates to “back pedaling” even though I have said that since the early days of this thread lol.

 

I do agree, is been a fun thread none the less

Edited May 30, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[Alphadawg7]

54 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

 I am just sharing my interpretation of your posts, word choice.  We can agree to disagree on all of this.

 

You're the one pointing out I'm wrong, you're right...seems a little defensive if you ask me.  I'm just sharing an opinion, and you seem to be getting upset at my reactions.  So be it

 

BINGO!  

 

 

All good.  Agree to disagree is fine.  To be clear, I’m not irritated or defensive, just commenting on the things you said that I didn’t feel were accurate reflections to my actual statements or opinions.  

[NewEra]

17 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

What are you even talking about here...lol.  

 

No offense here, but this is about the worst reply I have seen in this thread.  "Come on, really?  That ^ says it all." is about the most ridiculous comment anyone could write about the basis of a thread.  A title literally says nothing other than to indicate the SUBJECT of what is about to be written about in a thread.  The actual post under the thread says it all, including the VERY FIRST lines of the post.  Thats like going to book stores and reading the quotes on the back of a book jacket and then going around arguing with people who did actually read the book as if you know anything about the book.  

 

And...again, nothing wrong with the thread title...it was a prediction based on thoughts I had about events that had not happened yet.  Thread title clearly identified that it was a prediction and the body of the OP stated the basis of those thoughts and that it was simply just an opinion, not a guarantee.  

 

 

Lol...so let me get this straight.  I guess the prerequisite then here is to form an agenda against Zay, hate him, dismiss all positive signs at all times as non existent, and rail on him to no end all in vain to defend a thread?  Now that you mention it...that does sound more TSW like and on par with many of the posters here.  My bad for having an honest and open discussion and actually preferring a player on the Bills to succeed vs "winning the internet".  LOL

 

I do agree, is been a fun thread none the less

50+ pages of nonsense imo.  Zay will be on the squad come week 1.  The thread will probably be 150 pages of nonsense by then.  How much hypothetical regurgitation can be recycled?

you should put your time and effort into this thread.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

26 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Thats not the recipe for a 50 page thread.

 

Here is the Recipe...

 

1) clickbait like over the top prediction headline 

2) respond to every single post

3) spend the entire thread backpedaling from outlandish clickbait headline hedging with, “hope I’m wrong”, “really like the guy”, “not into I told you so’s” (although if Zay is cut or traded, there will be of course, an ‘I told- you-so’) 

 

its all  good fun though... gotta pass the off season somehow...

 

 

 

So is this kind of like Dunkirk Don's Draft Board Thread

 

Entertainment for the offseason 

[Alphadawg7]

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

50+ pages of nonsense imo.  Zay will be on the squad come week 1.  The thread will probably be 150 pages of nonsense by then.  How much hypothetical regurgitation can be recycled?

you should put your time and effort into this thread.  

 

I like that thread too

 

A for a thread that is nonsense to ya, you have participated throughout

 

Edited May 30, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

35 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

What are you even talking about here...lol.  

 

No offense here, but this is about the worst reply I have seen in this thread.  "Come on, really?  That ^ says it all." is about the most ridiculous comment anyone could write about the basis of a thread.  A title literally says nothing other than to indicate the subject of a thread.  The actual post will “say it all”. 

 

Thats like going to book stores and reading the quotes on the back of a book jacket and then going around arguing with people who did actually read the book as if you know anything about the book.  

 

It seems to me that the title should reflect the authors initial thoughts, otherwise, what  it comes down to really is Click bait.

 

I reiterate - had you written the title differently then half of this subject would be moot.  

 

We all know he needs to show continued improvement as does any young player to remain on the team.   

Its a Captain Obvious moment.  

 

7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I like that thread too

 

A for a thread that is nonsense to ya, you have participated throughout

 

Take note as to how many times I posted in Trannys thread.   You'll see it was very little.  

I also just  took Tranny off my ignore list a few weeks ago.  

 

Hell there was a span in here where I stayed away for a week because there was not much to add to the subject.

 

I'll have to follow suit again until Minicamps start 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 30, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

It seems to me that the title should reflect the authors initial thoughts, otherwise it comes down to is really Click bait.

 

I reiterate - had you written the title differently then half of this subject would be moot.  

 

We all know he needs to show continued improvement as does any young player to remain on the team.   

Its a Captain Obvious moment.  

 

 

The definition of a “click bait” thread is to MISLEAD someone to click on it.  

 

My title literally matches the subject of my post lol.  Just because you didn’t agree that Zay May have been in jeopardy doesn’t make the title click bait.

 

I guess if thread titles are all that matter in your mind, then you could always start “TSWitter” where it’s only Buffalo Bills thread titles and the comments that follow  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

26 minutes ago, NewEra said:

50+ pages of nonsense imo.  Zay will be on the squad come week 1.  The thread will probably be 150 pages of nonsense by then.  How much hypothetical regurgitation can be recycled?

you should put your time and effort into this thread.  

 

Interestingly, in that thread, we learn the pinnicle of all time great QBing we need josh to aspire to Joe Flacco.... greatest playoff QB in NFL history. 

[Jay_Fixit]

This thread has turned into this:

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

13 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

This thread has turned into this:

 

 

 

I know thats not why you posted this, but I saw this video too...I think the main issue for DK on routes like this is that he runs with so much power versus quickness.  You can see it when he takes off here, look at how high his knees go up and how long his stride is.  Its like he is putting every ounce of his power into going full out down field and then he has to slow that power down to make his break.  

 

He runs a blazing 4.3 forty, but he needs to learn you dont need to run at 4.3 speed on each route.  Jerry Rice was a 4.7 forty guy.  I think if DK can learn how to scale back some and run with more quickness than his explosive 4.3 speed he will start to hit these types of routes better.  

 

Good news for him is he landed in a near perfect place for him with great coaching and top tier QB.  And now with Baldwin having to retire, he will get every opportunity early to develop.  But he will have to find a way to play with finesse, not just trying to explode into every route.  

Edited May 30, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[NewEra]

53 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I like that thread too

 

A for a thread that is nonsense to ya, you have participated throughout

 

Yeah.  I stated my thoughts on the topic.  Since then I’ve just been wondering how it’s still going on.

21 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I know thats not why you posted this, but I saw this video too...I think the main issue for DK on routes like this is that he runs with so much power versus quickness.  You can see it when he takes off here, look at how high his knees go up and how long his stride is.  Its like he is putting every ounce of his power into going full out down field and then he has to slow that power down to make his break.  

 

He runs a blazing 4.3 forty, but he needs to learn you dont need to run at 4.3 speed on each route.  Jerry Rice was a 4.7 forty guy.  I think if DK can learn how to scale back some and run with more quickness than his explosive 4.3 speed he will start to hit these types of routes better.  

 

Good news for him is he landed in a near perfect place for him with great coaching and top tier QB.  And now with Baldwin having to retire, he will get every opportunity early to develop.  But he will have to find a way to play with finesse, not just trying to explode into every route.  

He really did land in the perfect spot.  Good for him.  Glad we drafted Oliver and Ford instead of jinx 

[Alphadawg7]

16 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah.  I stated my thoughts on the topic.  Since then I’ve just been wondering how it’s still going on.

He really did land in the perfect spot.  Good for him.  Glad we drafted Oliver and Ford instead of jinx 

 

I wasn't posting that much lately here myself, just come back when someone directly responds to me as a courtesy.  Not like I am afraid of the comments or even being wrong in the end.  

 

But yeah, I absolutely loved our draft and wouldn't change anything.  I got flamed endlessly when I suggested in my first mock we would draft Cody Ford in the 2nd because no one believe he would be there still.  So I was quite thrilled when we got him in the 2nd as he was a top 15 talent.  And there were multiple WR's I liked and had hoped for during the draft, but based on how the draft kept falling, our picks were perfect.  I was thrilled with our first 4 picks and all were guys I thought we might take in the draft.  Lots of talk leading up Bills were into Devin and Knox, so was kind of shocked when so many other people were surprised by those picks.  

 

I obviously would have loved adding a high potential WR like DK or Harry to the offense, but I wouldn't give up either Oliver or Ford for either one.  So draft was sensational IMO.  Of course, now they need to go out and prove themselves on the field, but as we sit today, Ford and Oliver look like guys who can anchor our lines for years.  

 

PS:  DK landing in Seattle kind of reminds me of Mahomes landing in KC.  A highly debated prospect with notable flaws to work on, but landed in an ideal scenario.  DK has a long way to go to take advantage of that like Mahomes did, but the initial landing spot and pre draft debate reminded me of that a bit.

Edited May 30, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[formerlyofCtown]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Zay hit his the other day with the bent crab catch against air.

No he started hitting his the second half of last season.

[NewEra]

Sounds good.  Time to delete the thread ?

[Foxx]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

The definition of a “click bait” thread is to MISLEAD someone to click on it.  

 

My title literally matches the subject of my post lol.  Just because you didn’t agree that Zay May have been in jeopardy doesn’t make the title click bait.

 

I guess if thread titles are all that matter in your mind, then you could always start “TSWitter” where it’s only Buffalo Bills thread titles and the comments that follow  

misleading is when the OP content doesn't match the title. from every explanation i've seen you give, "Calling it now: Zay Jones will not be on the week 1 roster", was not what the OP was about. or rather, it was but it wasn't, depending on which contradictory waffle you are trying to push atm.

[Alphadawg7]

32 minutes ago, Foxx said:

misleading is when the OP content doesn't match the title. from every explanation i've seen you give, "Calling it now: Zay Jones will not be on the week 1 roster", was not what the OP was about. or rather, it was but it wasn't, depending on which contradictory waffle you are trying to push atm.

 

Huh?  LOL...sometimes I think I wrote the OP in a foreign language.  What were you "MISLEAD" to believe this thread was from the title that was not represented in my OP? 

 

Not asking this to be a jerk, I would be very much interested to hear you explain how this paragraph does not exactly align with my thread title...from why OP:  We are adding at least 2 additonal WR's (and maybe 3) this offseason expected to start or compete to start to go along with the 3 guys already here.  With McD and Beanes consistent comments about getting open and catching the ball, I think Zay is in trouble and will be a training camp or preseason trade for a 4th round or conditional 5th round pick.  

 

Not to mention, my OP was filled with supporting info on why I felt this scenario could play out.

Edited May 30, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[Foxx]

46 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Huh?  LOL...sometimes I think I wrote the OP in a foreign language.  What were you "MISLEAD" to believe this thread was from the title that was not represented in my OP? 

 

Not asking this to be a jerk, I would be very much interested to hear you explain how this paragraph does not exactly align with my thread title...from why OP:  We are adding at least 2 additonal WR's (and maybe 3) this offseason expected to start or compete to start to go along with the 3 guys already here.  With McD and Beanes consistent comments about getting open and catching the ball, I think Zay is in trouble and will be a training camp or preseason trade for a 4th round or conditional 5th round pick.  

 

Not to mention, my OP was filled with supporting info on why I felt this scenario could play out.

i appreciate and respect what you bring to the board, Alpha. just because i don't always comment doesn't mean i don't read. with that disclaimer out of the way...

 

you seem to be discounting what your thread title says..., "Calling it now: Zay Jones will not be on the week 1 roster.". yes, you offer up reasons to support your thread title, no problem with that here. where the problem lies, in my estimation, is that the title is a declaration, a prediction if you will.  throughout the thread you vacillate back and forth, playing both sides of the equation apparently attempting to invalidate the prediction should you be wrong or in other words, covering all your bases. 

 

as much as i deride @transplantbillsfan for his history of failed prognostications, he at least has the temerity to stick to his guns. and he does so come hell or high water, which is, if nothing else, respectable. not saying you can't be respected but you can't have it both ways with a thread title such as the one you established this thread with.

 

might i suggest that if you want to have an argument that discusses the possibilities of both outcomes, that a thread title change might be desired. one that would more accurately reflect what you are proclaiming this thread to be about.

 

additionally, i should also add that OP has two meanings. OP: Opening Post and, OP: Original Poster. my previous post was referring to the latter, your content throughout the thread.

[Patrick Duffy]

5 minutes ago, Foxx said:

i appreciate and respect what you bring to the board, Alpha. just because i don't always comment doesn't mean i don't read. with that disclaimer out of the way...

 

you seem to be discounting what your thread title says..., "Calling it now: Zay Jones will not be on the week 1 roster.". yes, you offer up reasons to support your thread title, no problem with that here. where the problem lies, in my estimation, is that the title is a declaration, a prediction if you will.  throughout the thread you vacillate back and forth, playing both sides of the equation apparently attempting to invalidate the prediction should you be wrong or in other words, covering all your bases. 

 

as much as i deride @transplantbillsfan for his history of failed prognostications, he at least has the temerity to stick to his guns. and he does so come hell or high water, which is, if nothing else, respectable. not saying you can't be respected but you can't have it both ways with a thread title such as the one you established this thread with.

 

might i suggest that if you want to have an argument that discusses the possibilities of both outcomes, that a thread title change might be desired. one that would more accurately reflect what you are proclaiming this thread to be about.

 

additionally, i should also add that OP has two meanings. OP: Opening Post and, OP: Original Poster. my previous post was referring to the latter, your content throughout the thread.

 

Maybe you really do love him in some sort of weird way. I'm appalled!

[Foxx]

6 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

 

Maybe you really do love him in some sort of weird way. I'm appalled!

oh pshaw. 

[MasterStrategist]

2 hours ago, Foxx said:

i appreciate and respect what you bring to the board, Alpha. just because i don't always comment doesn't mean i don't read. with that disclaimer out of the way...

 

you seem to be discounting what your thread title says..., "Calling it now: Zay Jones will not be on the week 1 roster.". yes, you offer up reasons to support your thread title, no problem with that here. where the problem lies, in my estimation, is that the title is a declaration, a prediction if you will.  throughout the thread you vacillate back and forth, playing both sides of the equation apparently attempting to invalidate the prediction should you be wrong or in other words, covering all your bases. 

 

as much as i deride @transplantbillsfan for his history of failed prognostications, he at least has the temerity to stick to his guns. and he does so come hell or high water, which is, if nothing else, respectable. not saying you can't be respected but you can't have it both ways with a thread title such as the one you established this thread with.

 

might i suggest that if you want to have an argument that discusses the possibilities of both outcomes, that a thread title change might be desired. one that would more accurately reflect what you are proclaiming this thread to be about.

 

additionally, i should also add that OP has two meanings. OP: Opening Post and, OP: Original Poster. my previous post was referring to the latter, your content throughout the thread.

Very well put! and not to pile on, Alpha, but this is exactly what I and others have been trying to say for pages and pages of posts.  Foxx worded this very clearly.

 

@Alpha, hopefully that clarifies what others have said about:

1. thread title being misleading, click bait

2. waffling, covering your bases, or back pedaling

 

Please answer, is this thread meant to say:

1. Zay isn't going to make the team, bc of merit, being traded, etc

OR

2. Added WR competition will make for difficult roster decisions

 

Or both? I'll speak for myself when I say that I'm very confused still

[Alphadawg7]

7 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

In my opinion, yes,  and based on 50 pages of "discussion" it appears that many others agree. 

 

This would have been a far better title   - -calling-it-now-zay-jones-has-a-lot-of-work-to-do-OR- he-will-not-be-on-the-week-1-roster

 

there there would have been far less arguments 

 

LMAO...the topic of convo is exactly the same...literally changes nothing in the thread with that title.  And there are only a few of you that even cited an issue with the title.  

 

Again, you can always start TSWitter where its all about thread titles lol.  

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, Foxx said:

i appreciate and respect what you bring to the board, Alpha. just because i don't always comment doesn't mean i don't read. with that disclaimer out of the way...

 

you seem to be discounting what your thread title says..., "Calling it now: Zay Jones will not be on the week 1 roster.". yes, you offer up reasons to support your thread title, no problem with that here. where the problem lies, in my estimation, is that the title is a declaration, a prediction if you will.  throughout the thread you vacillate back and forth, playing both sides of the equation apparently attempting to invalidate the prediction should you be wrong or in other words, covering all your bases. 

 

as much as i deride @transplantbillsfan for his history of failed prognostications, he at least has the temerity to stick to his guns. and he does so come hell or high water, which is, if nothing else, respectable. not saying you can't be respected but you can't have it both ways with a thread title such as the one you established this thread with.

 

might i suggest that if you want to have an argument that discusses the possibilities of both outcomes, that a thread title change might be desired. one that would more accurately reflect what you are proclaiming this thread to be about.

 

additionally, i should also add that OP has two meanings. OP: Opening Post and, OP: Original Poster. my previous post was referring to the latter, your content throughout the thread.

 

 

All good man...and look, I am not offended and I have no issue with criticism, just like no one should have an issue with me responding with my thoughts on any said criticism.  But thanks for replying to an answer to my question, and I think I can see where the disconnect is a bit now.

 

On one hand, if you are familiar with me as a poster then it's safe to say you would know that I am not one who starts declaration/proclamation threads about things that haven't happened in the first place, nor do I go around in other threads making comments like that.  In fact, in my post history you will see me constantly stating that declaring anything before its happened as if its inevitable is foolish.  Like when people declared it was the "Wrong Josh" in freak outs or that Allen is a complete bust before he even got off the podium on draft night.  

 

On the other hand, you are right, there are plenty of posters who run around declaring things that haven't happened yet as fact and will go to all ends to argue that.  So I can see why TSW experience may make you feel that way, but who the poster is matters still, and I am not that type of poster.

 

So for me, I wrote the post first (like I normally do), then once its done I write a thread title.  My post ultimately became a prediction based on how I thought some things would happen that had not happened yet.  So when I made the title, I felt it was fair to reflect that it was a prediction thread.  I made it clear in the first lines of the post what kind of tone it had...it was a soft tone, simply opinion based, and not some declaration.  To me the title properly tells anyone wanting to click on it that this thread is about a prediction.

 

I mean at the end of the day, its a freaking thread title right. Its not the subject, its just a title. This is getting WAY out of hand discussing a title of a thread.  I mean if someone doesn't like the title, they don't have to participate.  

 

I respect the feedback...however, I stand by my thread title as properly representing what I was thinking in my first post.  I stand by my criticism of Zay as he earned them on the field.  I can't help it if people want to falsely form opinions on a subject based on the title...thats as foolish as forming an opinion on a movie by reading the DVD caption IMO.  And at the end of the day, I made a prediction and the title reflected that and I feel good about how I titled it.  

 

I am sorry if you feel different, but I am not like other posters.  So reading into my thread title based on your experience with other posters is out of my control.  No matter what I called it someone would have complained anyway, cant make every one happy.  

 

GO BILLS!

Edited May 30, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[GoBills808]

6 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

This thread has turned into this:

 

 

 

That's that dude who benches 400lbs but can't turn his head w/out getting whiplash

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, MasterStrategist said:

Very well put! and not to pile on, Alpha, but this is exactly what I and others have been trying to say for pages and pages of posts.  Foxx worded this very clearly.

 

@Alpha, hopefully that clarifies what others have said about:

1. thread title being misleading, click bait

2. waffling, covering your bases, or back pedaling

 

Please answer, is this thread meant to say:

1. Zay isn't going to make the team, bc of merit, being traded, etc

OR

2. Added WR competition will make for difficult roster decisions

 

Or both? I'll speak for myself when I say that I'm very confused still

 

Its literally like a few of you repeating yourselves, its not lots of posters who have an issue on the title.  Its pretty comical this title thing is even carrying on.  And you and Shady are the majority of it.  

 

1.  I disagree, I do not think thread title is in any way misleading or click bait.  Thats your opinion and you are entitled to it...but my entire first post is a prediction, the title reflects that prediction.  There has yet to be a single logical statement that shows how it is "misleading".  

2.  Not once have I waffled...not once have I covered my bases.  I have said the same things throughout.  You cant seem to seperate being a Bills fan and rooting for a thread prediction to be correct.  You and a few others care WAY more than I do about being right.  I shared some thoughts on the situation, formed an OPINION, called it an OPINION since the first post and stayed TRUE to that opinion all the way.  You seem to think in order to not be "waffling" I have to have a full time agenda against Zay and root for his failure as if I hate him. I have said since day 1, I was a fan of him as a draft pick and want him to succeed.  Never once has that been different in this thread.

 

Now to answer your questions:

First, all you have to do is read my very first post and the quotes I already sent you to answer these questions.  I mean I don't know why I have to keep spelling it out, its literally right there.  But I will do it one more time, and honestly, the last time.

1. In the ORIGINAL post...it states:  We are adding at least 2 additonal WR's (and maybe 3) this offseason expected to start or compete to start to go along with the 3 guys already here.  With McD and Beanes consistent comments about getting open and catching the ball, I think Zay is in trouble and will be a training camp or preseason trade for a 4th round or conditional 5th round pick.
2. See same answer as above.  

I am not trying to be a jerk here...but honestly, the answer to your question is right there.  And that was on February 27th.  And lots of people chimed in who felt the same, felt he was totally safe, who felt he is likely going to be here but not totally safe, etc.  And it spurned lots of great discussion on all sides...hence the point of an opinion based thread.  I cant control where other posters take the convos, but honestly it was like 90% on point the whole way.  

 

 

Edited May 30, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[Alphadawg7]

For the record...I am over talking about the title.  Its a free board, if people don't like the title are free to start their own thread and call it whatever they want.  All good, just beyond pointless at this point to keep talking to the same few people about a title.  But this title and topic went quite far and mostly a great thread until some title police started making an issue here late about the name of it.  Cant please everyone, nor do I intend to try to.  

 

GO BILLS...and honestly, GO ZAY! 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

This thread has turned into this:

 

 

Dear gawd.. that was aweful. 

33 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

For the record...I am over talking about the title.  Its a free board, if people don't like the title are free to start their own thread and call it whatever they want.  All good, just beyond pointless at this point to keep talking to the same few people about a title.  But this title and topic went quite far and mostly a great thread until some title police started making an issue here late about the name of it.  Cant please everyone, nor do I intend to try to.  

 

GO BILLS...and honestly, GO ZAY! 

 

Wait are you saying....

 

GO Zay! ... as In ‘do well’

 

Or 

 

GO! Zay... as in leave the roster? ?

[Alphadawg7]

11 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Dear gawd.. that was aweful. 

 

Wait are you saying....

 

GO Zay! ... as In ‘do well’

 

Or 

 

GO! Zay... as in leave the roster? ?

 

Hahaha...now that made me laugh...nice one

 

I will leave that in a shroud of mystery for everyones unique interpretation haha...

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

For the record...I am over talking about the title.  Its a free board, if people don't like the title are free to start their own thread and call it whatever they want.  All good, just beyond pointless at this point to keep talking to the same few people about a title.  But this title and topic went quite far and mostly a great thread until some title police started making an issue here late about the name of it.  Cant please everyone, nor do I intend to try to.  

 

GO BILLS...and honestly, GO ZAY! 

 

I wonder if the nitpickers and the title police will come back here if indeed Zay is not on the roster to heap praise on you for your early Nostradamus like prediction. Somehow I doubt it. They will be hiding in the same place all the Mason Rudolph lovers are. Still a great thread and a lot of tremendous analysis in here both for and against Zay.