mannc Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: Crazy? Why? Eli sucks. Is it recognizable by certain fan bases only? I know stats don't tell the whole story, but please tell me how it is that a QB who throws for 4300 yards and 21 TDs "sucks". Are you a Giants fan? Did you watch all his games last year? Maybe you can explain how Eli's suckitude can co-exist with passing statistics better than any Bills QB has posted in the history of the franchise. I'm all ears. [Edit: ok, better than any Bills QB other than Jim Kelly in his prime] Edited April 15, 2019 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, mannc said: I know stats don't tell the whole story, but please tell me how it is that a QB who throws for 4300 yards and 21 TDs "sucks". Are you a Giants fan? Did you watch all his games last year? Maybe you can explain how Eli's suckitude can co-exist with passing statistics better than any Bills QB has posted in the history of the franchise. I'm all ears. Did I watch all games? No. It's time for the Giants to move on. He sucks. Those stats tell nothing if you watched him play at all. Edited April 15, 2019 by inaugural balls 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Even by my statistical analysis Eli has been 22nd, 25th, and 24th over the past 3 years respectively. That doesn't suck, but it definitely puts you squarely in the 'looking to upgrade' camp. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 New York gives up its two first-round picks this year (No. 6 and No. 17) as well as a second-round pick this year AND a second-round pick in 2020 in exchange for Wilson. if I'm the NYG I do this deal in a heartbeat.....assuming it comes with a long term deal. the giants are NOT losing all that cap space reserved for those draft choices...... they can use that money on free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2019 Author Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, mannc said: So it’s Eli’s fault that the Giants’ defense was horrible? Who’s the last Bills QB to throw for 4000 yards and 20 TDs in a season? And what does Josh Allen have to do with it? He’s a really exciting young QB, and I’m glad we have him, but so far he has not accomplished much as a passer in the NFL. Nothing. Eli sucks. Nothing to do with Josh. But someone said Eli sucks, and you actually were the one to bring up Josh in response ? Edited April 15, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Nothing. Eli sucks. Nothing to do with Josh. But someone said Eli sucks, and you actually were the one to bring up Josh in response ? No, actually I didn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2019 Author Share Posted April 15, 2019 18 minutes ago, mannc said: No, actually I didn’t. Kirby: Eli stinks you: Bills fans would be ecstatic if our QB put up numbers even close to what Eli posted last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 It's too bad these aren't AFC teams, because this is a lose/lose proposition. If they make the trade the Giants get a franchise QB, but they have to pay him top dollar & trade away the picks they could have used to improve their ***** roster with affordable top talent. Seattle gets great picks & cap space, but loses a proven franchise QB that may prove difficult to replace. Odds are this ends poorly for both of them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Kirby: Eli stinks you: Bills fans would be ecstatic if our QB put up numbers even close to what Eli posted last year. I read this several times and did not see Josh Allen mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2019 Author Share Posted April 15, 2019 Just now, mannc said: I read this several times and did not see Josh Allen mentioned. “Our QB” is not Josh Allen? You ok? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Are there actual Russ to NYG trade rumors or is this all just speculation in this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Are there actual Russ to NYG trade rumors or is this all just speculation in this thread? Nothing concrete on Russ at all, and a small nugget that there's some generic interest in Clark (nothing tied to any specific teams). At least as far as I know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Are there actual Russ to NYG trade rumors or is this all just speculation in this thread? Three guesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: Nothing concrete on Russ at all, and a small nugget that there's some generic interest in Clark (nothing tied to any specific teams). At least as far as I know. Thanks, been busy last week and this weekend, so just trying to get clear on what I missed and where these things are at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2019 Author Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Thanks, been busy last week and this weekend, so just trying to get clear on what I missed and where these things are at Media has dredged up the original report from Cowherd that he wants to go to NY because he gave Seattle an ultimatum that he wanted a new deal by today, and it hasn’t happened (yet) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Seattle would be crazy not to keep him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 28 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: “Our QB” is not Josh Allen? You ok? Now you’re just wasting time. Are you saying you would be upset if Josh Allen threw for 4300 yards and 21 TDs this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 minute ago, mannc said: Now you’re just wasting time. Are you saying you would be upset if Josh Allen threw for 4300 yards and 21 TDs this year? Allen accounted for 18 TDs in 5 fewer starts with a significantly worse supporting cast as a rookie. Heck, Mayfield outperformed Eli last year and he was on the Browns... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 15, 2019 Author Share Posted April 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, mannc said: Now you’re just wasting time. Are you saying you would be upset if Josh Allen threw for 4300 yards and 21 TDs this year? You asked a poster what Josh Allen had to do with Eli sucking. I pointed out that it was you who actually mentioned him first in relation to Eli sucking. You for some reason deny saying it, even though it was just a few posts above, and then pretend you didn’t because you didn’t use his actual name Pretty sure I’m not the one wasting people’s time here. As far as your question, I don’t care about Eli’s stats vs Allen. So no i wouldn’t be upset. But I’m not the one who compared the two. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Allen accounted for 18 TDs in 5 fewer starts with a significantly worse supporting cast as a rookie. Heck, Mayfield outperformed Eli last year and he was on the Browns... It's very, very nice for your stats when you can count on your halfback for 90 catches/720 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Josh Allen and our 1st for Big Russ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 19 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Allen accounted for 18 TDs in 5 fewer starts with a significantly worse supporting cast as a rookie. Heck, Mayfield outperformed Eli last year and he was on the Browns... Are you asking if I would rather a QB that can throw for 24 TD/5 INT and 65% completion percentage over 11 games (extrapolating data) over a QB who runs and passes for 18 TD's/12 INT with 53% completion percentage? Because if you are, the answer is yes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Just now, Mango said: Are you asking if I would rather a QB that can throw for 24 TD/5 INT and 65% completion percentage over 11 games (extrapolating data) over a QB who runs and passes for 18 TD's/12 INT with 53% completion percentage? Because if you are, the answer is yes.... You're going to have to expand on this extrapolation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: You're going to have to expand on this extrapolation. Russell Wilson through 35 TD's last year in 16 games. That works out to 24 TD's over 11 games. 35/16 = 24/11. Did the same thing for INT's. Completion percentage is a constant because it is an average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mango said: Russell Wilson through 35 TD's last year in 16 games. That works out to 24 TD's over 11 games. 35/16 = 24/11. Did the same thing for INT's. Completion percentage is a constant because it is an average. Ignore the title. The past several pages are about Eli sucking at the position. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, Mango said: Russell Wilson through 35 TD's last year in 16 games. That works out to 24 TD's over 11 games. 35/16 = 24/11. Did the same thing for INT's. Completion percentage is a constant because it is an average. Completion percentage most definitely is not a constant. You could have a 55% completion percentage through your first 8 games and a 65% completion percentage through your last 8 games. In addition, if you throw more passes in the first 8 games than the last 8 games, the completion percentage will be weighted toward the first 8 games. There is nothing constant about it. It is an average, but an average is not a constant...in fact it is the opposite of constant because if it was constant, there would be no need to take an average, you could simply take 1 game and use that to extrapolate the whole year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toesy Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 I don't know what the all time record is for being sacked as a QB but Eli might have broke it last year if he had started 16 games for the Buffalo Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 What does living in NY have anything to do with the Giants? Most Giants players live and play in the state of New Jersey. New York and New Jersey are 2 different states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said: What does living in NY have anything to do with the Giants? Most Giants players live and play in the state of New Jersey. New York and New Jersey are 2 different states. The shortest route from Manhattan to Met Life Stadium is less than 10 miles. The Giants play close enough to Manhattan that any player who wants to live in NYC can do so. Also if he decides to live in NJ, his wife can commute to NYC for any job there she gets. Are you joking or are you that bad in geography? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 48 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Completion percentage most definitely is not a constant. You could have a 55% completion percentage through your first 8 games and a 65% completion percentage through your last 8 games. In addition, if you throw more passes in the first 8 games than the last 8 games, the completion percentage will be weighted toward the first 8 games. There is nothing constant about it. It is an average, but an average is not a constant...in fact it is the opposite of constant because if it was constant, there would be no need to take an average, you could simply take 1 game and use that to extrapolate the whole year. Really, this is the hill you’re going to die on? Trying to extrapolate completion percentage from a 16 game season for 11 games? 35 TD’s over 16 games is ~ 2 TD per game. I think we all already know that RW doesn’t actually throw 2 TD’s every game, there are ups and downs. Constant was probably a poor choice of words. I meant that the average was already taken and accounted for. You’re being pedantic for the sake of it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Mango said: Are you asking if I would rather a QB that can throw for 24 TD/5 INT and 65% completion percentage over 11 games (extrapolating data) over a QB who runs and passes for 18 TD's/12 INT with 53% completion percentage? Because if you are, the answer is yes.... Wait are you talking about rw or Eli?? @BuffaloHokie13 was talking about Allen vs Eli Eli had 21td/11int and a 66% comp over 16 games Turning that into 11 games is 14td/7int over 11 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Wait are you talking about rw or Eli?? @BuffaloHokie13 was talking about Allen vs Eli Eli had 21td/11int and a 66% comp over 16 games Turning that into 11 games is 14td/7int over 11 games Yeah, I totally whiffed on that. Didn’t see the context. I was talking RW. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mango said: Yeah, I totally whiffed on that. Didn’t see the context. I was talking RW. Rw is a tough one Obviously ja is much younger and costs significantly less, but rw is pretty darn legit. I said it earlier this thread I believe, Buffalo's current roster with rw at QB is a 12 win team and an instant SB contender. Much shorter window (no pun intended) than ja because of age, but obviously he's already a proven commodity, although FA qb acquisition don't always perform as intended (and in fact they usually don't) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 5.5 hours till he retires!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, whatdrought said: 5.5 hours till he retires!! I wonder if he pulls a Bell and takes a year off?? He's what? 5-6 years older than Bell, but he's also at the most premium position in the game, and one which guys are seemingly playing older and older at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Just now, SouthNYfan said: I wonder if he pulls a Bell and takes a year off?? He's what? 5-6 years older than Bell, but he's also at the most premium position in the game, and one which guys are seemingly playing older and older at. He could take a year with the Yankees and get a ring there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: He could take a year with the Yankees and get a ring there They aren't spending on free agents anymore. They are "good enough" according to cashman ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Just now, SouthNYfan said: They aren't spending on free agents anymore. They are "good enough" according to cashman ? Don't they already own his rights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: Don't they already own his rights? Maybe, but I think rights aren't the same as being under contract I believe they would have to negotiate a contract with him still This has turned into quite the tangent/rabbit hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 NY would definitely boost his wife's career. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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