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Rumor that Russell Wilson could eventually go to NYG (update - Gives Seattle deadline of 4/15 for new deal)

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You can’t let things go this far with your star QB.  Gotta keep them happy.  Doesn’t seem like Seattle has tried very hard.  Wilson is extremely underpaid and they haven’t exactly surrounded him with offensive weapons.  

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2 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

You can’t let things go this far with your star QB.  Gotta keep them happy.  Doesn’t seem like Seattle has tried very hard.  Wilson is extremely underpaid and they haven’t exactly surrounded him with offensive weapons.  

Quarterbacks who are paid their “fair” value invariably B word a season or two later when teams aren’t able to surround them with talent.

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He wants a contract that escalates with the salary cap increases each year. I love Russ as a player but I don’t know if I’d be setting that precedent. 

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40 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

You can’t let things go this far with your star QB.  Gotta keep them happy.  Doesn’t seem like Seattle has tried very hard.  Wilson is extremely underpaid and they haven’t exactly surrounded him with offensive weapons.  

 

He signed 4 years and about 90 million with 32 guaranteed

He's not that underpaid

 

36 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

Quarterbacks who are paid their “fair” value invariably B word a season or two later when teams aren’t able to surround them with talent.

 

Agreed

Unless they are walking into a ready made team with a bunch of talent on cheap deals, they tend to suck up too much cap space

Look how the falcons and Ravens fell apart after signing their QBs

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Just now, SouthNYfan said:

 

Agreed

Unless they are walking into a ready made team with a bunch of talent on cheap deals, they tend to suck up too much cap space

Look how the falcons and Ravens fell apart after signing their QBs

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Your only hope for sustained success, once you get your guy, is that he doesn’t feel the need to be highest paid as proof of ability. Those are rare, especially with agents and union whispering in ears. 

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One of our board members linked to a great article about how teammates of Wilson's were more than a bit disgruntled and how the coaching staff and whole organization caters to Wilson...almost like a a softer precursor to Dunne's article on Rogers.

 

...that said, man, Russell does bring it.

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There are good ways, and bad ways, to ask for a raise.

 

Giving ultimatums doesn't work in most professions.  Seahawks should tell him to go scratch his ass.

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1 hour ago, DCOrange said:

Isn't it possible that like a ton of other athletes, he also would like to live in NYC? Professional athletes wanting to play in New York isn't exactly shocking. The fact that it also might help his wife's career is a bonus.

 

It’s very possible. However here it seems like he’s catering to his lady. He can play anywhere so might as well keep the wife happy. 

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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Russell Wilson is a top 5 QB. He dragged a 🗑 roster to the playoffs last year. If Seattle doesn’t hand him a blank check they are morons.

 

With that being said, here’s my hypothetical trade that I think makes sense: Giants trade 6, 17, 2020 1st and Kevin Zeitler for Wilson. 

 

Eli means they aren't trading for any QB starter.

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17 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Eli means they aren't trading for any QB starter.

I don’t think that they are either but it is a huge mistake and may ultimately cost Gettleman his job. While Wilson is a top 5 QB today, Eli is a bottom 5 guy and 8 years older.

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1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

he wants his deal to go up with the cap? i've nevered heard of a deal like that before. 

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2 hours ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Agreed

It's going to be tough for them though

Letting him walk gets you a comp pick or two i think

As I said the problem is he's dictated where he wants to go already

That murders trade value if it's only one place because you have nobody else bidding

Why give up a kings random if you are the Giants, when you can just sign him next season?

Their team is a trainwreck so there's no urgency to get him this season

 

Seattle can tag Wilson for 1 year for sure and probably 2 years without cap issues.  I can’t see him leaving that kind of money on the table by not signing the tag.  He might not do it right away, but he’ll donor before the season.

 

if the Giants want him they’re going to have to give up some value.  They need him in the fold before camp be it this season or next.  And honestly, if it’s going to happen then now is the right time for both teams. Gettleman has extra draft capital this year and it will look like he had a plan all along if he brings Wilson in. Seattle isn’t winning anything this season with or without Wilson so they might was well go full rebuild now and add some draft capital (which they’re sorely lacking as of now). 

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7 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Seattle can tag Wilson for 1 year for sure and probably 2 years without cap issues.  I can’t see him leaving that kind of money on the table by not signing the tag.  He might not do it right away, but he’ll donor before the season.

 

if the Giants want him they’re going to have to give up some value.  They need him in the fold before camp be it this season or next.  And honestly, if it’s going to happen then now is the right time for both teams. Gettleman has extra draft capital this year and it will look like he had a plan all along if he brings Wilson in. Seattle isn’t winning anything this season with or without Wilson so they might was well go full rebuild now and add some draft capital (which they’re sorely lacking as of now). 

 

Agreed

I think it's an interesting twist

Does he pull a leveon bell?

Who knows

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38 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t think that they are either but it is a huge mistake and may ultimately cost Gettleman his job. While Wilson is a top 5 QB today, Eli is a bottom 5 guy and 8 years older.

If I'm Gettleman, I'm trading for Rosen and letting him sit and learn all he can from Eli for 8 games to 1 year (if that wasn't obvious from our mock).

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26 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Agreed

I think it's an interesting twist

Does he pull a leveon bell?

Who knows

 

He’d be looking at a 1 year, $28M contract. I can’t imagine him sitting out with that on the table, but who knows?  There is one more twist: what about the potential lockout in 2021?  How does that play into this?  I don’t even think that Seattle could tag him a second time (for 2021) until the CBA is resolved.

 

If they’re going to move him, then the time is before the draft.  If they tag him and try to trade him next offseason who knows how much the uncertainty in 2021 will factor into his value.

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14 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

He’d be looking at a 1 year, $28M contract. I can’t imagine him sitting out with that on the table, but who knows?  There is one more twist: what about the potential lockout in 2021?  How does that play into this?  I don’t even think that Seattle could tag him a second time (for 2021) until the CBA is resolved.

 

If they’re going to move him, then the time is before the draft.  If they tag him and try to trade him next offseason who knows how much the uncertainty in 2021 will factor into his value.

 

Agreed

The fact that he basically pigeonholed them into the Giants, who cannot possibly trade for him with Eli on the roster, complicates this beyond belief

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49 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

If I'm Gettleman, I'm trading for Rosen and letting him sit and learn all he can from Eli for 8 games to 1 year (if that wasn't obvious from our mock).

That makes a lot of sense imo. They need to do something because Eli stinks.

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17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That makes a lot of sense imo. They need to do something because Eli stinks.

 

I've been saying this to my Giants friends.

The issue is the Cardinals are in no hurry to trade Rosen.

They gave up an additional 3rd and 5th to move up from 15 to 10 to select him.

I don't think they are going to toss him for scraps, which is what the Giants fans seem to think they can get him for.

He's worth more to the Cardinals as insurance for Murray.

Maybe they don't want to throw Murray to the wolves initially, so they'll let Rosen be puppy chow until they feel Murray is ready.

They also have a reasonably priced quality backup locked down for 4 more years.

I just don't see them cutting bait for anything less than a 2nd + 3rd, but I could be completely wrong lol

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5 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

I've been saying this to my Giants friends.

The issue is the Cardinals are in no hurry to trade Rosen.

They gave up an additional 3rd and 5th to move up from 15 to 10 to select him.

I don't think they are going to toss him for scraps, which is what the Giants fans seem to think they can get him for.

He's worth more to the Cardinals as insurance for Murray.

Maybe they don't want to throw Murray to the wolves initially, so they'll let Rosen be puppy chow until they feel Murray is ready.

They also have a reasonably priced quality backup locked down for 4 more years.

I just don't see them cutting bait for anything less than a 2nd + 3rd, but I could be completely wrong lol

I’m thinking at least an early 2nd.  Pick 37 seems to be an option for both teams IMO. If someone else gets involved (ahem, Redskins), that could change things.

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42 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That makes a lot of sense imo. They need to do something because Eli stinks.

Bills fans would be ecstatic if our QB put up numbers even close to what Eli posted last year.

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10 minutes ago, mannc said:

Bills fans would be ecstatic if our QB put up numbers even close to what Eli posted last year.

He still stinks. Empty stats on a terrible team and is WAY too easy to defend.

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I would disagree about Eli being comparable to Josh Allen-Allen had a strong year for a rookie QB with a bad OL-I would be surprised if even one GM considers Eli to be as valuable as Josh Allen right now.

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20 minutes ago, mannc said:

Bills fans would be ecstatic if our QB put up numbers even close to what Eli posted last year.

 

Yet Eli put up a .312 win percentage with a premiere WR as a 15 year vet.

Josh had Benjamin as #1 and put up a .454 as a rookie.

 

See how easy it is. 

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5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Yet Eli put up a .312 win percentage with a premiere WR as a 15 year vet.

Josh had Benjamin as #1 and put up a .454 as a rookie.

 

See how easy it is. 

So it’s Eli’s fault that the Giants’ defense was horrible?  Who’s the last Bills QB to throw for 4000 yards and 20 TDs in a season?

 

And what does Josh Allen have to do with it? He’s a really exciting young QB, and I’m glad we have him, but so far he has not accomplished much as a passer in the NFL.

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