dave mcbride Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Excellent analysis here. https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/06/super-bowl-lii-53-film-study-breakdown-patriots-rams-defenses-real-mvp-belichick-goff-mcvay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Hmmm. The article implies that New England won because they had a great game plan on how to neutralize the Rams offensive strengths and tendencies. Where is the mention of the massive NFL officiating conspiracy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 minute ago, prissythecat said: Hmmm. The article implies that New England won because they had a great game plan on how to neutralize the Rams offensive strengths and tendencies. Where is the mention of the massive NFL officiating conspiracy? Oh you won't find it in that article. SI is essentially the NFL's PRAVDA! So....Breer therefore, again essentially, works for the NFL. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Oh you won't find it in that article. SI is essentially the NFL's PRAVDA! So....Breer therefore, again essentially, works for the NFL. Ahh got it. Good to know what news outlets spew propaganda ;-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Want to know why Warren Sharp and the analytics school of thought is so terrible? Compare his and this breakdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Want to know why Warren Sharp and the analytics school of thought is so terrible? Compare his and this breakdown. I'm intrigued by what you're implying here. Care to elaborate? (I think I probably agree with you, btw.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 You guys really need to layoff the fixed agenda. If it was really fixed for the Pats to win all the time wouldn't other owners be upset about it? Keep Billieving what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 ❤️ Breer. Excellent write up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 15 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I'm intrigued by what you're implying here. Care to elaborate? (I think I probably agree with you, btw.) Well, first, he only analyzed the Rams passing offense. He didn't even touch the running game, which, if you follow the Rams, is the starting point of their entire offense. Then he only really discussed 11 v 22 sets and the percentage success against different defenses. It was just so shallow and cliche. It completely missed the mark. Like most analytic approaches to scouting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Andy Benoit? Same thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Yeah it's Benoit not Breer - Benoit is pretty good at breaking down film. Breer is plugged into the league for news, etc. Brandt offers excellent salary cap and front office-related content due to his time in the Packers organization. MMQB is a great site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 Sorry about the name confusion. Andy-Albert; Breer-Benoit - I confuse them constantly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 1 hour ago, prissythecat said: Ahh got it. Good to know what news outlets spew propaganda ;-) Of course, as everyone here knows......the answer is "all of them!". 34 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Well, first, he only analyzed the Rams passing offense. He didn't even touch the running game, which, if you follow the Rams, is the starting point of their entire offense. Then he only really discussed 11 v 22 sets and the percentage success against different defenses. It was just so shallow and cliche. It completely missed the mark. Like most analytic approaches to scouting. There was no film of that from the SB game.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 27 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Sorry about the name confusion. Andy-Albert; Breer-Benoit - I confuse them constantly. I do, too. They are both pretty good in relatively thankless jobs. Benoit can put together some good analysis at times. Thanks for the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Of course, as everyone here knows......the answer is "all of them!". There was no film of that from the SB game.... Like, the running game was so bad it was non-existent? Is that what you are getting at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Like, the running game was so bad it was non-existent? Is that what you are getting at? si 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 While it's a good write-up, I do think someone oughta slap Andy Benoit for describing the Pats DL as "meaty." What a weirdo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Oh you won't find it in that article. SI is essentially the NFL's PRAVDA! So....Breer therefore, again essentially, works for the NFL. ...not to worry!...Mueller is on it pronto............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 The Pat's D game plan was very good, but hardly new. Six man fronts really just make a running, roll out QB team play from the pocket and make plays. Josh will see that front next year and hopefully, unlike Goff, he will be accurate and decisive and his receivers beat man-to-man. Reading this it further pisses me off that New Orleans got screwed out of this game. Brees would not have been a deer in the headlights like Goff was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Oh you won't find it in that article. SI is essentially the NFL's PRAVDA! So....Breer therefore, again essentially, works for the NFL. Kudos for your reference to "Pravda"--that's pulling out all the analogy stops, nailed it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 16 hours ago, prissythecat said: .Where is the mention of the massive NFL officiating conspiracy? Bellevue Hospital Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 14 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Like, the running game was so bad it was non-existent? Is that what you are getting at? They did talk about the running game - The Rams running game is not innovative or new or cool.... it is the Mike Shanahan zone stretch. And that is all it is. The Patriots 6-1 took it away and the Rams didn't adjust or try anything else - they ran the same plays and just put CJ Anderson in rather than Gurley. The Rams overuse of 12 personnel was simply bizarre and they did nothing the scheme the ball out of Goff's hands quickly. Jared Goff did not play well, nobody should doubt that, but McVay froze. He had no answers for what Belichick was doing and his adjustments were poor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 It really pisses me off when the media says that the Patriots record is so good every year because they play in the AFC East. Replace the Patriots with any other team in the NFL and I am sure said team wouldn't do as well. It's not easy playing those d bags twice a year. 33 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: They did talk about the running game - The Rams running game is not innovative or new or cool.... it is the Mike Shanahan zone stretch. And that is all it is. The Patriots 6-1 took it away and the Rams didn't adjust or try anything else - they ran the same plays and just put CJ Anderson in rather than Gurley. The Rams overuse of 12 personnel was simply bizarre and they did nothing the scheme the ball out of Goff's hands quickly. Jared Goff did not play well, nobody should doubt that, but McVay froze. He had no answers for what Belichick was doing and his adjustments were poor. Yeah Mcvay totally stuck with his game plan and believed what he saw on tape. It's like he didn't understand what was happening right in front of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 16 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: Andy Benoit? Same thing. 16 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Sorry about the name confusion. Andy-Albert; Breer-Benoit - I confuse them constantly. Anbert Brenoit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: They did talk about the running game - The Rams running game is not innovative or new or cool.... it is the Mike Shanahan zone stretch. And that is all it is. The Patriots 6-1 took it away and the Rams didn't adjust or try anything else - they ran the same plays and just put CJ Anderson in rather than Gurley. The Rams overuse of 12 personnel was simply bizarre and they did nothing the scheme the ball out of Goff's hands quickly. Jared Goff did not play well, nobody should doubt that, but McVay froze. He had no answers for what Belichick was doing and his adjustments were poor. I wasn't talking about Breers breakdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 19 hours ago, Jrb1979 said: You guys really need to layoff the fixed agenda. If it was really fixed for the Pats to win all the time wouldn't other owners be upset about it? Keep Billieving what you want. Some of that is based on a long history of NE getting odd or favorable calls. Younger guys may not remember "just give it to them", or the PI on a Patriot Hail Mary, Wade walking the Bills team off the field before the game was over, or Oakland forcing a Brady fumble to seal a playoff win only to have it turn into an incomplete forward pass which turned into a bizarre tuck-rule as the NFL tried to manage the fallout. There is plenty of history of rules being bent or broken in favor of NE. Regardless of opponent, the Bills for years had a particularly bad relationship with the NFL's officiating org...particularly after Ralph lead the key votes to implementing instant replay which the NFL Officiating body was opposed to. I think it has been less so over the past few years, although we still have plenty of head-scratchers where they just need to let the teams play. If anything, I would think the NFL would want to generate some buzz and excitement for the Rams in LA, so I don't think they would be on board for any kind of conspiracy although there were a few calls they did not get right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 8, 2019 Author Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, WideNine said: Some of that is based on a long history of NE getting odd or favorable calls. Younger guys may not remember "just give it to them", or the PI on a Patriot Hail Mary, Wade walking the Bills team off the field before the game was over, or Oakland forcing a Brady fumble to seal a playoff win only to have it turn into an incomplete forward pass which turned into a bizarre tuck-rule as the NFL tried to manage the fallout. There is plenty of history of rules being bent or broken in favor of NE. Regardless of opponent, the Bills for years had a particularly bad relationship with the NFL's officiating org...particularly after Ralph lead the key votes to implementing instant replay which the NFL Officiating body was opposed to. I think it has been less so over the past few years, although we still have plenty of head-scratchers where they just need to let the teams play. If anything, I would think the NFL would want to generate some buzz and excitement for the Rams in LA, so I don't think they would be on board for any kind of conspiracy although there were a few calls they did not get right. Trust me, most here know all of these plays. At the time the tuck rule event happened, many - myself included - felt it was karmic payback for arguably one of two the worst calls of the 1970s: referee Ben Dreith's roughing-the-passer call on Sugar Bear Hamilton in the 1975 Raiders/Pats playoff game. It was an unbelievably bad call, and it's actually legendary. It cost an extremely good Pats team the game. (It was 4th and 15 with less than a minute to go). The point is, all suffer from bad calls and get good calls. Let's not forget in our little narrative that the Pats were almost completely screwed by the refs in the KC game by the ref's failure to call blatant OPI on that 38 yard pass to Watkins that got them to the 2 with just over 2 minutes to go. (The other really awful call was when Rob Lytle was called down after clearly fumbling in the 1976 AFC championship game.) Edited February 8, 2019 by dave mcbride 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, WideNine said: Younger guys may not remember "just give it to them", or the PI on a Patriot Hail Mary, Wade walking the Bills team off the field before the game was over, or Oakland forcing a Brady fumble to seal a playoff win only to have it turn into an incomplete forward pass which turned into a bizarre tuck-rule as the NFL tried to manage the fallout. I was young when this happened but I definitely didn't forget the Tuck Rule in Oakland, Charles Woodson to THIS DAY is salty over it. That was his SB. It should be included in every football fan's learning curriculum lest it gets forgotten "Now remember, the Patriots Dynasty started with this hogwash." Was the Tuck Rule technically correct at the time? I recall people saying it was by the letter of the NFL law.. and has since changed because.. how TF is that not a fumble. Edited February 8, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 8, 2019 Author Share Posted February 8, 2019 Just now, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: I was young when this happened but I definitely didn't forget the Tuck Rule in Oakland, Charles Woodson to THIS DAY is salty over it. That was his SB. It should be included in every football fan's learning curriculum lest it gets forgotten "Now remember, the Patriots Dynasty started with this hogwash." See above. Patriots fans (I know a few) felt it was basically karmic payback for Sugar Bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: See above. Patriots fans (I know a few) felt it was basically karmic payback for Sugar Bear. yeah but that was back when Pats were making a habit out of getting blown out of SBs. Harmless bad refereeing fun. '85 Bears and '96 Packers. Well done boys. Edited February 8, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 8, 2019 Author Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: yeah but that was back when Pats were making a habit out of getting blown out of SBs. Harmless bad refereeing fun. Um ... they had never been to a SB at that point and wouldn't go for another ten years. They had a really good team that year that could have won the SB. Edited February 8, 2019 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Just now, dave mcbride said: Um ... they had never been to a SB at that point and wouldn't go for another ten years. whatever. It's circa 2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted February 8, 2019 Author Share Posted February 8, 2019 Just now, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: whatever. It's circa 2000 Many people have long memories. I certainly do. I have vivid recollections of Bills playoff games from the early 1980s to this day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 hour ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: yeah but that was back when Pats were making a habit out of getting blown out of SBs. Harmless bad refereeing fun. '85 Bears and '96 Packers. Well done boys. Also there was a long stretch where the Patsies were insanely bad, they were the joke if the NFL. In an era without free agency where teams could lock down and build upon their talent, and they had so many early or #1 draft picks, folks were baffled why they could not field a winning team. Belichick turned that franchise around, but they have also been extremely stable as an org (ownership, front office, and coaching)...certainly helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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