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12 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Every team has the same amount of cap money.  The Bills (nor anyone else) have a meaningful financial advantage.  The teams that win are the one's that get "more bang for the buck", in other words players who produce more than they take up in cap space (Brady's below market contracts are a huge part of the Patriots advantage over the years).  So far, the current Bills management has not shown a propensity to find players in either the draft nor free agency who outperform their cap hit. 

When you have 70 million in dead cap you are at an disadvantage even if it is completely self inflicted. Most of that 70 million was absorbed by the offense this past year. Next year we should have more proven talent on the offense.

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17 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Could anyone really have done much better than he did with what he was given (or not given) around him, especially as a rookie?

It was extremely impressive. I love Josh. He has holes in his game sure, some glaring , but his energy , natural leadership, swag ,heart and competiveness are contagious and those are intangibles that equate to winning that you can't teach. I mean He went 5-5 in games he started n finished . I believe he wins that Houston game too , which could have made him 6-5. Very impressive with that supporting cast. 

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4 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

When you have 70 million in dead cap you are at an disadvantage even if it is completely self inflicted. Most of that 70 million was absorbed by the offense this past year. Next year we should have more proven talent on the offense.

It wont matter if our top paid offensive players play below expectations, like they did last year. 

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19 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Every team has the same amount of cap money.  The Bills (nor anyone else) have a meaningful financial advantage.  The teams that win are the one's that get "more bang for the buck", in other words players who produce more than they take up in cap space (Brady's below market contracts are a huge part of the Patriots advantage over the years).  So far, the current Bills management has not shown a propensity to find players in either the draft nor free agency who outperform their cap hit. 

Bills had the lowest ACTIVE cap in the NFL by a wide margin. We were the only team under 120 mil because as a poster above me pointed out , the dead money ,by design . So yes we were at a big disadvantage in terms of cap space in 2018. For reference , Jax had the most expensive active cap at around 180 mil , big difference. 2019 we're going to have an influx of talent

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3 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Bills had the lowest ACTIVE cap in the NFL by a wide margin. We were the only team under 120 mil because as a poster above me pointed out , the dead money ,by design . So yes we were at a big disadvantage in terms of cap space in 2018. For reference , Jax had the most expensive active cap at around 180 mil , big difference. 2019 we're going to have an influx of talent

Take this example.  Do you think the Bills will have a more cost effective online than the colts next year ? The fact that the colts have good cost effective players now is not a handicap for them. 

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17 hours ago, Virgil said:

 

I get the hype, but I think that’s a stretch.  He did well in spots and not so well in others.  I think he’s shown the signs that he can get there. 

 

He’s not Manning yet....

Agreed. Josh has all the things you can’t coach! Size, arm strength, speed, confidence and a burning desire to play the position! A leader! 

Now he is learning the rest. I’ve seen enough improvement to think he will get there. Don’t think that he has been exposed to a lot of good coaching other than at Wyoming. He needs to be more like Manning , consistent and football smart! We will see.

 

Still love watching him play!

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6 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Bills had the lowest ACTIVE cap in the NFL by a wide margin. We were the only team under 120 mil because as a poster above me pointed out , the dead money ,by design . So yes we were at a big disadvantage in terms of cap space in 2018. For reference , Jax had the most expensive active cap at around 180 mil , big difference. 2019 we're going to have an influx of talent

Put it a different way.  I agree that the 2019 Bills ought to be better than the 2018 Bills.  I am 100%  certain the 2018 Bills will not be on the  schedule.  If we want to win a playoff game next year, then the 2019 Bills need to be better than at least one of these teams 2019 Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Chiefs, Colts, Texans, Chargers, Browns.    That is 8 teams as good as or better than the Bills now, who also all plan to get better next year. 

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16 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Put it a different way.  I agree that the 2019 Bills ought to be better than the 2018 Bills.  I am 100%  certain the 2018 Bills will not be on the  schedule.  If we want to win a playoff game next year, then the 2019 Bills need to be better than at least one of these teams 2019 Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Chiefs, Colts, Texans, Chargers, Browns.    That is 8 teams as good as or better than the Bills now, who also all plan to get better next year. 

I really don't know those teams cap and FA situations good enough to even have a valid opinion. I do know my Bills have young ,legit talent scattered throughout the team, close to 90 mil in cap, 10 picks , including a top 10 and only suffered one key loss (Kyle) , all I know is we are sitting pretty and the future looks extremely bright. 

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55 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

I really don't know those teams cap and FA situations good enough to even have a valid opinion. I do know my Bills have young ,legit talent scattered throughout the team, close to 90 mil in cap, 10 picks , including a top 10 and only suffered one key loss (Kyle) , all I know is we are sitting pretty and the future looks extremely bright. 

Did you see the final regular season standings in 2018.  Lots of teams a lot better than the Bills now. We need to pass them, 

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18 hours ago, Idandria said:

I don’t think it’s good to have your QB be your top rusher. That needs to be fixed. Allen needs to stand tall in the pocket and throw.

 

Let Shady do the running. 

 

I will say however, it was quite entertaining watching Josh run wild week in and week out. 

We all saw what veteran Derek Anderson was cabable of ?

I agree I dont want allen running as much either but I also think Shady's best days are behind him, using him selectively, esp in passing as he is a smart and good blocker and good receiver in space.

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A light went off for Allen after the injury and bye week. It didn't exactly show up in his raw passing stats and numbers, yards, percentage etc. But you can tell the game had slowed down for him. The number of sacks he took dropped significantly. He saw things better. He was realizing when to use his legs. If he can win 5 games as a rookie completing 53% of his passes then it's not too hard to imagine him winning 9+ consistently when he gets the number up to 59-60%. In terms of a passer I think he is going to be a lot like Cam Newton. We will be frustrated at times with his inconstancy but at the end of the day, he'll have the talent to win 12-14 games and put together an MVP type season. He just won't ever be a 62%+ completion guy consistently. 

 

 

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Here Josh, we know your not quite ready for the NFL yet but we're going to put you in to start Game 2.  Your the QB so we want you to throw the ball but don't expect those guys to get open or catch your passes.  And we'll put in some running backs with you but don't expect them to run, so you'll have to do that yourself too.  Now, go out there and get'em! 

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On 1/18/2019 at 4:10 PM, Idandria said:

I don’t think it’s good to have your QB be your top rusher. That needs to be fixed. Allen needs to stand tall in the pocket and throw.

 

Let Shady do the running. 

 

I will say however, it was quite entertaining watching Josh run wild week in and week out. 

We all saw what veteran Derek Anderson was cabable of ?

Talking about STARTING NFL QB’s 

helloooo 

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On 1/18/2019 at 2:34 PM, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Could anyone really have done much better than he did with what he was given (or not given) around him, especially as a rookie?

This is right out of the Bills PR-Playbook.

 

Don’t have any results to sell, so you start selling hype. 

 

Somehow I think they’ll just omit any “highlights” from Green Bay and New England. 

 

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1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

This is right out of the Bills PR-Playbook.

 

Don’t have any results to sell, so you start selling hype. 

 

Somehow I think they’ll just omit any “highlights” from Green Bay and New England. 

 

Is this in response to the OP?  If so. LOL. 

 

Shirley you jest?

 

Josh was breaking records all season long.

 

He tied or broke many franchise records.   That is a FACT and not fluff.  

 

 

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9 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Is this in response to the OP?  If so. LOL. 

 

Shirley you jest?

 

Josh was breaking records all season long.

 

He tied or broke many franchise records.   That is a FACT and not fluff.  

 

 

But but but everyone says he’s accuracy sucks 

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3 minutes ago, Putin said:

But but but everyone says he’s accuracy sucks 

Yea and Allen couldn't hit the broad side of a barn even if he was trying to.  You want proof of this?  Remember after running for a 30 yard TD against Miami in the last game?  Well Allen looked like he was going to throw the ball into the stands to a deserving fan but he didn't and you know why?  He didn't trust his ability to get the ball to a fan even in a sea of fans! 

 

And if you slow down the video and look closely at his footwork in the end zone it sucked and his upper body throwing mechanics wern't all that great either.  Anyone who knows metrics could see he wasn't going to get the ball to a fan with those throwing mechanics.  Now I know the usual Allen apologists and Bills homers will respond and say that Allen was scrambling for his life from his own team mates trying to congratulate him on the TD but I say enough with the excuses - you don't see Mahomes making them do you!  And if Rosen had run 30 yards for a TD his awful O-line would have been all over him to and yet he would have easily hit a fan in the stands. 

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56 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Yea and Allen couldn't hit the broad side of a barn even if he was trying to.  You want proof of this?  Remember after running for a 30 yard TD against Miami in the last game?  Well Allen looked like he was going to throw the ball into the stands to a deserving fan but he didn't and you know why?  He didn't trust his ability to get the ball to a fan even in a sea of fans! 

 

And if you slow down the video and look closely at his footwork in the end zone it sucked and his upper body throwing mechanics wern't all that great either.  Anyone who knows metrics could see he wasn't going to get the ball to a fan with those throwing mechanics.  Now I know the usual Allen apologists and Bills homers will respond and say that Allen was scrambling for his life from his own team mates trying to congratulate him on the TD but I say enough with the excuses - you don't see Mahomes making them do you!  And if Rosen had run 30 yards for a TD his awful O-line would have been all over him to and yet he would have easily hit a fan in the stands. 

No I didn’t see Mahomes making them , maybe it’s because he was sitting behind a legitimate STARTING NFL QB and LEARNING his rookie year ???? 

And if Rosen  COULD run 30 yards =  maybe the  pigs could fly 

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1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Yea and Allen couldn't hit the broad side of a barn even if he was trying to.  You want proof of this?  Remember after running for a 30 yard TD against Miami in the last game?  Well Allen looked like he was going to throw the ball into the stands to a deserving fan but he didn't and you know why?  He didn't trust his ability to get the ball to a fan even in a sea of fans! 

 

And if you slow down the video and look closely at his footwork in the end zone it sucked and his upper body throwing mechanics wern't all that great either.  Anyone who knows metrics could see he wasn't going to get the ball to a fan with those throwing mechanics.  Now I know the usual Allen apologists and Bills homers will respond and say that Allen was scrambling for his life from his own team mates trying to congratulate him on the TD but I say enough with the excuses - you don't see Mahomes making them do you!  And if Rosen had run 30 yards for a TD his awful O-line would have been all over him to and yet he would have easily hit a fan in the stands. 

My sarcasm meter is vacillating.  

 

Can’t tell if it’s sarc or not. 

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2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

My sarcasm meter is vacillating.  

 

Can’t tell if it’s sarc or not. 

It's absolutely sarcasm ShadyBillsFan. 

 

But the fact you couldn't be sure is a testament to the whacked out way in which every aspect of Allen's game is picked apart in hopes of furthering the "Allen is a bust" agenda.  Like I've said in other posts I welcome constructive, fair criticism of Allen.  But so much of what passes for criticism of this guy just seems absurd to me. 

2 hours ago, Putin said:

No I didn’t see Mahomes making them , maybe it’s because he was sitting behind a legitimate STARTING NFL QB and LEARNING his rookie year ???? 

And if Rosen  COULD run 30 yards =  maybe the  pigs could fly 

Sorry for the misunderstanding Putin but I was just following up your sarcastic post with one of my own. 

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6 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

This is right out of the Bills PR-Playbook.

 

Don’t have any results to sell, so you start selling hype. 

 

Somehow I think they’ll just omit any “highlights” from Green Bay and New England. 

 

You’re right, this post is total PR hype...for the wrong Josh crowd. In the meantime I’ll take the sour taste in my mouth that the Miami season ending game left me with, and wonder whatever shall we do at the QB spot since Allen is obviously such a bust. ?

 

Please. If you can’t really see what your eyeballs are telling you, that this kid is legit, then what exactly were you looking at? The Cardinals all year? 

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4 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

You’re right, this post is total PR hype...for the wrong Josh crowd. In the meantime I’ll take the sour taste in my mouth that the Miami season ending game left me with, and wonder whatever shall we do at the QB spot since Allen is obviously such a bust. ?

 

Please. If you can’t really see what your eyeballs are telling you, that this kid is legit, then what exactly were you looking at? The Cardinals all year? 

We were 6-10 this year, Josh was 5-6 overall, 0-3 against Playoff teams. So we can pump the brakes. 

 

I’m as hungry as anyone for the Bills to get some players and for Allen to get better, he did display game changing athleticism, but in the end Bills PR and fans are trying to spin a losing season as great things to come. We’ve been doing that since Trent Edwards.

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2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

We were 6-10 this year, Josh was 5-6 overall, 0-3 against Playoff teams. So we can pump the brakes. 

 

I’m as hungry as anyone for the Bills to get some players and for Allen to get better, he did display game changing athleticism, but in the end Bills PR and fans are trying to spin a losing season as great things to come. We’ve been doing that since Trent Edwards.

 

The Bills PR department isn't spinning anything.  It's fans who trust what they saw with their own eyes.  A least for me my optimism is based on the outstanding progress made by Allen over the course of the season, the Bills solid foundation of a defense and a whole lot of CAP money. 

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6 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

The Bills PR department isn't spinning anything.  It's fans who trust what they saw with their own eyes.  A least for me my optimism is based on the outstanding progress made by Allen over the course of the season, the Bills solid foundation of a defense and a whole lot of CAP money. 

We’ll see. For some fans 8-8 will be enough improvement, whereas I would like to see 10-6 and a solid Playoff birth. 

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8 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

We’ll see. For some fans 8-8 will be enough improvement, whereas I would like to see 10-6 and a solid Playoff birth. 

The defense and Hous$ got them to the playoffs in 17 with Tuhrod.  

The defense and Hous$ and a more experienced Josh Allen can get them to the playoffs in 19 with improvements to the offense.  JMO

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44 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

Just imagine if he could throw accurately on a consistent basis! He'd be pretty good.

SMH ...  

 

I hope your post was in jest.  

 

KB alone ruined any decent stats Josh could have reached.    37.1% 

 

Hit # 1  for the Panthers 

Kelvin Benjamin added two more drops Sunday to take his total to 11 for the season.

 

Vikings game -

The more notable dropper of the bunch was Kelvin Benjamin, though. Benjamin had two early drops, including one on the goal line which would’ve been a touchdown. The pass from rookie Josh Allen hit him right before the one and three on his uniform

 

 

 

excluding throwaways and drops 72.7%

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http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/292685/how-the-nfls-rookie-qbs-performed-in-year-1-and-whats-next

 

 

 

Season-defining play: Allen's 75-yard touchdown pass to Robert Fosterduring a Week 12 win over the Jaguars. Allen made many of the best plays of his rookie season with his legs or when throwing on the run, but the most promise he showed as a pocket passer came when he launched a pass 39 yards in the air despite being sandwiched by two Jaguars pass-rushers. Allen has an obvious talent to effortlessly flick passes with eye-opening velocity and distance

 

This play showed he could do that accurately while standing in the pocket against pressure.

 

 

 

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Before we go off the deep end, impressive in spots, OK, but inconsistent. It's clear he has a way to go, so I'd prefer to call it a promising start, which is a huge step up from what we've seen for some time at the QB position.

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