notwoz Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Because we don't care about them once they leave the league. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/sports/football/the-nfls-obesity-scourge.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, notwoz said: Because we don't care about them once they leave the league. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/sports/football/the-nfls-obesity-scourge.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage ..."The Fridge" is a terribly sad story.....then you see other linemen who once retired, returned to a more normal weight....guess it is up to the individual...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 35 minutes ago, notwoz said: Because we don't care about them once they leave the league. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/sports/football/the-nfls-obesity-scourge.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage When ANYONE changes their body chemistry or shape to make a lot of money and do what they love, if they didn't care when they were working, why should anyone else??? Not my responsibility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 The only employer I know who cares about their employees after they retire is the US Military. If mine were to lecture me about getting fat in retirement, I would tell them to gtfo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I know it sucks to hear but it’s why players should only look out for themselves. These guys are pieces of meat to fans and the teams. They get rid of them the second they are not valuable. I will say a know a bunch of former o and d linemen who lost a ton of weight after they were doing playing and skill players who went the opposite way. But I don’t care how much they make. Nfl (and SeC) players are under paid. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..."The Fridge" is a terribly sad story.....then you see other linemen who once retired, returned to a more normal weight....guess it is up to the individual...... ^^^^^this. Even if they were on food stamps, retired folks seem to pack on a few lbs. Let alone if you're a millionaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 17 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I know it sucks to hear but it’s why players should only look out for themselves. These guys are pieces of meat to fans and the teams. They get rid of them the second they are not valuable. I will say a know a bunch of former o and d linemen who lost a ton of weight after they were doing playing and skill players who went the opposite way. But I don’t care how much they make. Nfl (and SeC) players are under paid. Underpaid?? They are getting paid a ton of money to play a game. 10% of american adults are morbidly obese---thats at lest 37 million people! Do you know how many of them who have made a million or more in a year? The answer is zero--none of them. Morbid obesity is a very treatable disease, but as with any such disease, a patient has to seek treatment....and then always be compliant with treating a chronic disease such as this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Yep. Obesity is a problem for ALL of America, not just the NFL, and it is even becoming a problem in developing and third world countries as well. But if I get fat, is it someone else's responsibility? No. Everyone has the responsibility to care for their own body (and also for their children's bodies until they are adults). 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, MJS said: Yep. Obesity is a problem for ALL of America, not just the NFL, and it is even becoming a problem in developing and third world countries as well. But if I get fat, is it someone else's responsibility? No. Everyone has the responsibility to care for their own body (and also for their children's bodies until they are adults). Without getting too crazy about the subject, I agree with the sentiment of what I believe you’re saying, but the reality is that there is a societal component involved with obesity. Healthcare, because of the pool system used by insurance companies, and education being a public service are examples of this. The responsibility becomes a subject of debate. Edited January 18, 2019 by Shortchaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Shortchaz said: Without getting too crazy about the subject, I agree with the sentiment of what I believe you’re saying, but the reality is that there is a societal component involved with obesity. Healthcare, because of the pool system used by insurance companies, and education being a public service are examples of this. The responsibility becomes a subject of debate. My opinion is that the responsibility is up to each individual. However, that does not mean that money can't be spent on programs to help and educate people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I know it sucks to hear but it’s why players should only look out for themselves. These guys are pieces of meat to fans and the teams. They get rid of them the second they are not valuable. I will say a know a bunch of former o and d linemen who lost a ton of weight after they were doing playing and skill players who went the opposite way. But I don’t care how much they make. Nfl (and SeC) players are under paid. Yeah it's why I never badmouth anyone who leaves a team or goes somewhere questionable for the money. They should go get all they can while they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, Shortchaz said: Without getting too crazy about the subject, I agree with the sentiment of what I believe you’re saying, but the reality is that there is a societal component involved with obesity. Healthcare, because of the pool system used by insurance companies, and education being a public service are examples of this. The responsibility becomes a subject of debate. The second you make it the public's responsibility, is the day the government mandates exercise. Freedom is a sausage mcmuffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, MJS said: My opinion is that the responsibility is up to each individual. However, that does not mean that money can't be spent on programs to help and educate people. Overall I'd tend to agree with this. But it's expensive to eat healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Sorry but they are rich enough to get personal trainers. Laziness is not a tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 47 minutes ago, stony said: Overall I'd tend to agree with this. But it's expensive to eat healthy. This is probably an oversimplification, beans and rice are some of the cheapest foods.... Average person eats between 3-5 pounds of food a day, you can get fruit and veggies for 1-3$ a pound. A person can eat healthy for as little as 5$ a day. 1 hour ago, MJS said: My opinion is that the responsibility is up to each individual. However, that does not mean that money can't be spent on programs to help and educate people. Agreed 52 minutes ago, unbillievable said: The second you make it the public's responsibility, is the day the government mandates exercise. Freedom is a sausage mcmuffin. ?, I agree man, no one wants that, but it is arguably a public issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 52 minutes ago, stony said: Overall I'd tend to agree with this. But it's expensive to eat healthy. That couldn't be further from the truth. Vegetables are very cheap. Go to the grocery store and test it out. Spend $10 on vegetables and $10 on junk food. You'll get WAY more food in vegetables than junk food. Whole grains are incredibly cheap as well. However, cooking meals at home takes a lot of time and knowing how to do that well is tough. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Eric Woods has lost 60 lbs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Shortchaz said: This is probably an oversimplification, beans and rice are some of the cheapest foods.... Average person eats between 3-5 pounds of food a day, you can get fruit and veggies for 1-3$ a pound. A person can eat healthy for as little as 5$ a day. Are you including a protein? A fat to cook the veggies in? Beans and rice will sustain you, but it's not a long-term diet. I'd agree that as an individual it's doable, but when you include a spouse, then children..it adds up quick. For better or worse, many Americans follow the wheel barrel approach i.e. a trip to BK for $2 is easier than a trip to the supermarket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I often think when I see these monster lineman playing such a physically demanding sport that they must be teetering so close to a heart attack even when they are in playing shape. I cannot imagine how hard life must be a decade after retirement for your heart and other organs. The NFL really needs to do a better job taking care of its alumni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, MJS said: That couldn't be further from the truth. Vegetables are very cheap. Go to the grocery store and test it out. Spend $10 on vegetables and $10 on junk food. You'll get WAY more food in vegetables than junk food. Whole grains are incredibly cheap as well. However, cooking meals at home takes a lot of time and knowing how to do that well is tough. I do. It's way more expensive buying fresh produce weekly than eating cheap, mass produced products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, stony said: I do. It's way more expensive buying fresh produce weekly than eating cheap, mass produced products. Then you're doing it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, MJS said: Then you're doing it wrong. Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: I often think when I see these monster lineman playing such a physically demanding sport that they must be teetering so close to a heart attack even when they are in playing shape. I cannot imagine how hard life must be a decade after retirement for your heart and other organs. The NFL really needs to do a better job taking care of its alumni. The players need to take care of themselves. As with any other segment of society, some are better at that type of thing than others. Within months of retiring, Eric Wood went from 305 or whatever his real playing weight was to about 260, where he is now. A lot of these guys are giant, heavy boned, wide framed people who gain weight easily. They need to watch their diet when they retire. The lazy ones or weak minded ones don't handle that so well, like many other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, stony said: Are you including a protein? A fat to cook the veggies in? Beans and rice will sustain you, but it's not a long-term diet. I'd agree that as an individual it's doable, but when you include a spouse, then children..it adds up quick. For better or worse, many Americans follow the wheel barrel approach i.e. a trip to BK for $2 is easier than a trip to the supermarket. Rice, beans, fruits, vegetables, as long as you’re not calorie deficient you won’t be nutrient deficient. Chicken legs are .50$ a pound my only argument here is that you CAN eat healthy on a budget. It’s never been easier or cheaper. People refuse to eat fruits and vegetables, and have all sorts of excuses ?♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Morbid obesity is a very treatable disease, but as with any such disease, a patient has to seek treatment....and then always be compliant with treating a chronic disease such as this. Love how MD's made Obesity a disease... What pharmaceutical are they gonna cook up for this one? Oh wait, it's gonna be uncurable, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Shortchaz said: Rice, beans, fruits, vegetables, as long as you’re not calorie deficient you won’t be nutrient deficient. Chicken legs are .50$ a pound my only argument here is that you CAN eat healthy on a budget. It’s never been easier or cheaper. People refuse to eat fruits and vegetables, and have all sorts of excuses ?♂️ Can't and won't argue with that. I should've said it's more difficult to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 19 minutes ago, stony said: Are you including a protein? A fat to cook the veggies in? Beans and rice will sustain you, but it's not a long-term diet. I'd agree that as an individual it's doable, but when you include a spouse, then children..it adds up quick. For better or worse, many Americans follow the wheel barrel approach i.e. a trip to BK for $2 is easier than a trip to the supermarket. Protein= Amino acids. Simplest amino acids are found in fruits then veggies. A fat to cook veggies in? We are talking about not becoming obese are we not? People wonder how this "disease" known as obesity falls on them out of the clear blue sky... Stop frying @#$%. What ever happened to good old raw fruits and veggies? People need to stop playing victim and put the right things into their bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, Sherlock Holmes said: Protein= Amino acids. Simplest amino acids are found in fruits then veggies. A fat to cook veggies in? We are talking about not becoming obese are we not? People wonder how this "disease" known as obesity falls on them out of the clear blue sky... Stop frying @#$%. What ever happened to good old raw fruits and veggies? People need to stop playing victim and put the right things into their bodies. Didn't know olive oil was unhealthy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, stony said: Didn't know olive oil was unhealthy? It’s not a black or white issue, all food options exist on a spectrum. Refined products are typically worse than unrefined. Of the refined fats, olive oil is one of the “better” options, but still not great. Nuts and seeds would be best fat opinion. Only need about 1-4 oz a day and if you’re over-weight you don’t NEED any fat Edited January 18, 2019 by Shortchaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, stony said: Didn't know olive oil was unhealthy? Sure unprocessed, stone crushed straight to bottle and that you then don't heat is. Research cooked oils and processed oils vs raw. Not so healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chill Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 What a funny article. It’s a disease, like addiction. Lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Shortchaz said: It’s not a black or white issue, all food options exist on a spectrum. Refined products are typically worse than unrefined. Of the refined fats, olive oil is one of the “better” options, but still not great. Nuts and seeds would be best fat opinion. Only need about 1-4 oz a day and if you’re over-weight you don’t NEED any fat Ah some common sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, Chill said: What a funny article. It’s a disease, like addiction. Lol. Food is addictive, obesity is usually a sign of food addiction. Don’t think you’re addicted? Try not eating for a day and describe how you feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Chill said: What a funny article. It’s a disease, like addiction. Lol. Good old MD's gotta make everything into a disease so they can treat it with pharmaceuticals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: When ANYONE changes their body chemistry or shape to make a lot of money and do what they love, if they didn't care when they were working, why should anyone else??? Not my responsibility. Nothing but you is really your responsibility. But you give to charity a bit, I hope, right? You care about others who are in trouble, right? And they very much did care while they were working. On the DL and OL many or most of those guys need to be overweight and eat like hogs just to do their job. You can't get an NFL job as an OL or DT or 3-4 DE if your weight is 260 normally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chill Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, Shortchaz said: Food is addictive, obesity is usually a sign of food addiction. Don’t think you’re addicted? Try not eating for a day and describe how you feel. Yeah. I agree. But do you think addiction is a disease? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Chill said: Yeah. I agree. But do you think addiction is a disease? It isn't about what you think. Unless you're trained as a doctor. The experts say it is. "The consequences can be dire. A study published in The American Journal of Medicine found that for every 10 pounds football players gained from high school to college, or from college to the professional level, the risk of heart disease rose 14 percent compared with players whose weight changed little during the same period." Even if they eat better now they've already caused damage. Habits - good or bad - are viciously hard to break. Which doesn't free them from the responsibility of looking after their own health. But playing football requires acquiring this terrible habit. It's sad. Edited January 18, 2019 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, Shortchaz said: Food is addictive, obesity is usually a sign of food addiction. Don’t think you’re addicted? Try not eating for a day and describe how you feel. Of course it is... we got the same chemical companies that produce pharmaceuticals cooking up food additives to make you feel that crackhead feeling about food. Great test of showing how you use food as a stimulant, fasting a few days. You'll start craving bread, meat, dairy. Depends on what foods you are addicted to. Those 3 are the top for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chill Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Just now, Thurman#1 said: It isn't about what you think. Unless you're trained as a doctor. The experts say it is. I care what Chaz thinks...Blind faith is never a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chill said: Yeah. I agree. But do you think addiction is a disease? It’s a semantics argument over the definition of disease. I could argue it either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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