Brandon Beane interview: Signing of Duke Williams, LeSean McCoy's O-line comments & his free-agency approach

[YoloinOhio]

 

https://buffalonews.com/2019/01/15/brandon-beane-buffalo-bills-nfl-lesean-mccoy-duke-williams/

Edited January 15, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[Doc]

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I knew it was going to be a challenge. I can't say if it was more or not, they were good players. They brought leadership and an edge. I thought we lacked that edge up front this year, and we were out of sync. I think we had players there that have talent, we just didn't mesh.

 

IOW, "we need better players on the OL."

[Albany,n.y.]

“It would be like drafting a guy you have a third-round grade on in the first round out of a need or because you don't want somebody else to get him. Well, now the expectations in our building, in the locker room, the media, the fans, is, ‘Wow, this guy's a first-round pick. I'm expecting him to be like all first-rounders.’ When in reality (if he’s not), it's not his fault. He's going to have a hard time. You're setting him up to fail when you do that, and that's the thing that can happen in free agency.

 

Sounds a lot like Nix/Whaley when they drafted EJ Manuel. 

[4BillsintheBurgh]

I think we had players there that have talent, we just didn't mesh.

 

10 minutes ago, Doc said:

IOW, "we need better players on the OL."

We needed better coaching is what I see

[BillsVet]

They've taken 2 years to remake the defense with multiple UFA signings and high draft picks. And defense is typically the easier side of the ball to get up to speed, albeit harder to maintain.

 

For that reason I'm not convinced that they'll get the offense in one off-season even with that cap space and the usual complement of high picks.

 

Particularly when UFA offers less and less skill players and this draft is thin on top offensive prospects.

 

And, throw in a coach who doesn't seem to embrace that games are won and lost by scoring points and having enough defense.  He seems the opposite of that.

Edited January 15, 2019 by BillsVet

[The Now Moment]

14 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

They've taken 2 years to remake the defense with multiple UFA signings and high draft picks. And defense is typically the easier side of the ball to get up to speed, albeit harder to maintain.

 

For that reason I'm not convinced that they'll get the offense in one off-season even with that cap space and the usual complement of high picks.

 

Particularly when UFA offers less and less skill players and this draft is thin on top offensive prospects.

 

And, throw in a coach who doesn't seem to embrace that games are won and lost by scoring points and having enough defense.  He seems the opposite of that.

Why does the offense have to be completely done next season?  I think the offense has a lot of potential on it already.  A lot of young players who could breakout next season.  Even adding just a few lineman and 1 weapon for Allen could fix the run game and allow Allen to work with the speedy young players we have.  I'm sure they'll add more help though.  What is a realistic improvement for the offense?  Top 15? If they can reach that on offense, they could make the playoffs with solid D.  

 

Imagine a few of the youngsters on the offense making a Milano type jump in their development next season with a QB room that looks solidified for the first time in a very long time.  

 

Duke Williams is a big question mark but could be a great first pick up.  What a find if he can produce anything close to what he did in the CFL.  

[CookieG]

"You're conversating with everybody. You're not just having a one-on-one conversation with somebody. So, I think he understands that.”

 

"did he really say "conversating"?

 

 

conversating

A word you use when trying to say you were talking to someone so as to come off as more cultured or intelligent. In reality, it does little more than make you look like an idiot who's trying too hard. If you must make yourself sound like a pompous ass, the correct term is "conversing."

Pompous Ass: "...we just sat there conversating for a while and it turns out that..."

Unimpressed Listener: "Cool story bro."

 

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=conversating

[gjv001]

1 hour ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

I think we had players there that have talent, we just didn't mesh.

 

We needed better coaching is what I see

When did you see the poor coaching?

[Doc]

1 hour ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

I think we had players there that have talent, we just didn't mesh.

 

We needed better coaching is what I see

 

Gotta read between the lines. 

[4BillsintheBurgh]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Gotta read between the lines. 

They fired the oline coach so I don't think the lines need to be read between.

 

They will hopefully get some new players, but "being in sync" and not meshing seems like a coaching issue to me.

5 minutes ago, gjv001 said:

When did you see the poor coaching?

I didn't, nor did I say I did.

[formerlyofCtown]

43 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

They've taken 2 years to remake the defense with multiple UFA signings and high draft picks. And defense is typically the easier side of the ball to get up to speed, albeit harder to maintain.

 

For that reason I'm not convinced that they'll get the offense in one off-season even with that cap space and the usual complement of high picks.

 

Particularly when UFA offers less and less skill players and this draft is thin on top offensive prospects.

 

And, throw in a coach who doesn't seem to embrace that games are won and lost by scoring points and having enough defense.  He seems the opposite of that.

We have something we havent had in a long time. A Franchise QB and one that seems to elevate the play around him.

[gjv001]

2 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

They fired the oline coach so I don't think the lines need to be read between.

 

They will hopefully get some new players, but "being in sync" and not meshing seems like a coaching issue to me.

I didn't, nor did I say I did.

So the coaching was ok. Good. GO BILLS!!!

[4BillsintheBurgh]

2 minutes ago, gjv001 said:

So the coaching was ok. Good. GO BILLS!!!

Obviously there were issues with the coaching since he is no longer employed by the Bills.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

15 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Gotta read between the lines. 

 

...yup I did....think you take take his "social media" comment and eliminate the word "social" from it as in he plays it close to the vest, remains cordial yet reveals virtually nothing to the media.....I like that approach.....no public "throwing personnel or coaches under the bus" a/k/a not airing dirty laundry.......how it should be.......we had to stomach the master bloviator Wrecks far too much with the embarrassment here with his "Jets West circus".......thinkin' as "Bo knows", so does McBeane...stay tuned...........

[Logic]

Is anyone able to DM me the contents of this article? No matter how many times I clear my cookies and whatnot, I can't seem to get past the pay-wall.

[YoloinOhio]

9 minutes ago, Logic said:

Is anyone able to DM me the contents of this article? No matter how many times I clear my cookies and whatnot, I can't seem to get past the pay-wall.

I will try. I am not a subscriber but seem to be able to see all the articles 

 

edit: I jinxed myself. Apparently you can only read it once 

Edited January 15, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[Logic]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

I will try. I am not a subscriber but seem to be able to see all the articles 

Thanks, I sure appreciate it. Something about my home computer just will NOT let me see Buffalo news articles no matter what I try.

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Logic said:

Thanks, I sure appreciate it. Something about my home computer just will NOT let me see Buffalo news articles no matter what I try.

If I have a chance I’ll try from a different device 

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, Buffalo30 said:

Why does the offense have to be completely done next season?  I think the offense has a lot of potential on it already.  A lot of young players who could breakout next season.  Even adding just a few lineman and 1 weapon for Allen could fix the run game and allow Allen to work with the speedy young players we have.  I'm sure they'll add more help though.  What is a realistic improvement for the offense?  Top 15? If they can reach that on offense, they could make the playoffs with solid D.  

 

Imagine a few of the youngsters on the offense making a Milano type jump in their development next season with a QB room that looks solidified for the first time in a very long time.  

 

Duke Williams is a big question mark but could be a great first pick up.  What a find if he can produce anything close to what he did in the CFL.  

 

If they spend 3 off-seasons rebuilding with the goal of merely making the playoffs that's a low bar. (Cue the person who tells us Buffalo made the playoffs in 2017).  

 

Lots of ifs and hopefully's.  

 

1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said:

We have something we havent had in a long time. A Franchise QB and one that seems to elevate the play around him.

 

Josh had very little to work with, but I wouldn't pronounce him a franchise QB.  Encouraging signs yes, franchise quality no. 

[formerlyofCtown]

16 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

If they spend 3 off-seasons rebuilding with the goal of merely making the playoffs that's a low bar. (Cue the person who tells us Buffalo made the playoffs in 2017).  

 

Lots of ifs and hopefully's.  

 

 

Josh had very little to work with, but I wouldn't pronounce him a franchise QB.  Encouraging signs yes, franchise quality no. 

Year 2 usually has a significant jump.  I do believe he will make that jump without a doubt.

 

Also 2017 was the add a few pieces while we evaluate season.  The Rebuild Was really last off-season and this one would be year two, unless you are one of those guys that thinks Beane ran our draft from the Panthers WarRoom.  I fully expect us to make the playoffs next season.  If we are at least in the mix week 17 I will be happy.  2020 We need to win play-off games and maybe take the division.

 

We cant force FAs to sign here and it can take time to develope OL and WRs. So I wont sound the alarm if we fail to make it at 9-7 or 10-6.

 

Would you consider it a successful season if we went to the playoffs at 7-9 and won a playoff game.  I wouldnt.

Edited January 15, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[Punching Bag]

28 minutes ago, Logic said:

Thanks, I sure appreciate it. Something about my home computer just will NOT let me see Buffalo news articles no matter what I try.

 

Maybe your computer is protecting you.

[The Now Moment]

1 minute ago, BillsVet said:

 

If they spend 3 off-seasons rebuilding with the goal of merely making the playoffs that's a low bar. (Cue the person who tells us Buffalo made the playoffs in 2017).  

 

Lots of ifs and hopefully's.  

This was a long term rebuild from the beginning. If they make the playoffs next year with more young players creating a foundation of talent from drafting well, you can bet that’d be a successful year. Build more confidence and go into year four as the favorite to win the AFC east....I prefer to be optimistic. Life as pessimist must suck for those who are. I’d hate going through life as a grumpy sob haha

[Bill_with_it]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

https://buffalonews.com/2019/01/15/brandon-beane-buffalo-bills-nfl-lesean-mccoy-duke-williams/

Beane truly understands free agency and the draft as opposed to our last Gm.

“It would be like drafting a guy you have a third-round grade on in the first round out of a need or because you don't want somebody else to get him. Well, now the expectations in our building, in the locker room, the media, the fans, is, ‘Wow, this guy's a first-round pick. I'm expecting him to be like all first-rounders.’ When in reality (if he’s not), it's not his fault. He's going to have a hard time. You're setting him up to fail when you do that, and that's the thing that can happen in free agency. You pay a guy a big number, and there's going to be expectations from coaches, players, the media, fans, everybody. They're going to go, ‘Man, they paid this guy $12 million a year. He's going to be a big-time player.’ Well, not if he's really a $7 or $8 million player.”

 

Edited January 15, 2019 by Bill_with_it

[RobbRiddick]

Beane looks like a pimp in that pic. If he needs to tempt free agents with something more than money, I'm good with that. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

Beane looks like a pimp in that pic. If he needs to tempt free agents with something more than money, I'm good with that. 

 

...a pimp?....now there's a seriously valuable assessment...SMH.....

[Bill_with_it]

2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

What is his point? 

 

Dont overpay because the expectations will be too high if you do? 

 

What a lame response.

No don’t pay someone something that isn’t worth it, dont draft a third round player in the first round.  You know kind of like Whaley did with EJ.Don’t pay a guy 12-13 mil if he’s not worth it. You know kinda like Whaley did with Dareus and Clay. 

[CookieG]

2 hours ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

I think we had players there that have talent, we just didn't mesh.

 

We needed better coaching is what I see

Well, yeah..I'm not sure if people expect him to say something like, "sure, the guys I brought in weren't really very good". That would, um...reflect bad on the guy who brought them in or retained them...

 

I'm not sure how many OL coaches Vlad or Newhouse had in their travels, or how many Bodine had while at Cincy, or Mills had between Chi and Buffalo...but its more than just one. These guys were never very good.

 

He can claim its getting in sych, or some type of mesh, or w/e..if that gives him comfort.  But it doesn't solve the problem. Actually, it makes it worse.

[MJS]

3 hours ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

I think we had players there that have talent, we just didn't mesh.

 

We needed better coaching is what I see

 

And how would a fan know the impact of coaching on the oline? We see the results, not the cause of the results. Could be the lack of talent was the only issue. Could be a coaching problem. Could be a number of other issues. How does a fan watching the games decipher that?

2 hours ago, CookieG said:

"You're conversating with everybody. You're not just having a one-on-one conversation with somebody. So, I think he understands that.”

 

"did he really say "conversating"?

 

 

conversating

A word you use when trying to say you were talking to someone so as to come off as more cultured or intelligent. In reality, it does little more than make you look like an idiot who's trying too hard. If you must make yourself sound like a pompous ass, the correct term is "conversing."

Pompous Ass: "...we just sat there conversating for a while and it turns out that..."

Unimpressed Listener: "Cool story bro."

 

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=conversating

 

Huh?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, Bill_with_it said:

No don’t pay someone something that isn’t worth it, dont draft a third round player in the first round.  You know kind of like Whaley did with EJ.Don’t pay a guy 12-13 mil if he’s not worth it. You know kinda like Whaley did with Dareus and Clay. 

 

 

..somebody posted (wish I could remember who to pay kudos to) that McBeane assigns a value to a player and "that's it (paraphrasing from memory)".......I'm sure the instant rebuttal will be how he overpaid for Star, an opinion shared (respectfully) by many.....still think he is a value shopper versus a "big splash guy"............

[WizdomCalling]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Thanks, I sure appreciate it. Something about my home computer just will NOT let me see Buffalo news articles no matter what I try.

 

 

It might be your ad blocker if you are running one. I have the plugin running on chrome and I had to allow the Buffalo New website to see any article at all. 

[Aussie Joe]

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‘Man, they paid this guy $12 million a year. He's going to be a big-time player.’ Well, not if he's really a $7 or $8 million player.”

 

We don't need any overpaid Star's on this team...

[Formerly Allan in MD]

4 hours ago, Buffalo30 said:

 Duke Williams is a big question mark but could be a great first pick up.  What a find if he can produce anything close to what he did in the CFL.  

I recall similar comments being made when we picked up Cookie Gilchrist.  How did that work out?

[The Now Moment]

Just now, Formerly Allan in MD said:

I recall similar comments being made when we picked up Cookie Gilchrist.  How did that work out?

Second chances for 5 star athletes can find talent 

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

I think we had players there that have talent, we just didn't mesh.

 

We needed better coaching is what I see

 

 

Need RBs who can run straight ahead without  police escort.

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...a pimp?....now there's a seriously valuable assessment...SMH.....

 

2 hours ago, RobbRiddick said:

Beane looks like a pimp in that pic. If he needs to tempt free agents with something more than money, I'm good with that. 

 

He is not wearing a purple zoot suit like Dieon Neon Sanders so no he does not look like a pimp.

It is amazing that standards have changed so much that mean with earrings is normal and a suit is something a pimp wears.

2 hours ago, CookieG said:

I'm not sure how many OL coaches Vlad or Newhouse had in their travels, or how many Bodine had while at Cincy, or Mills had between Chi and Buffalo...but its more than just one. These guys were never very good.

 

Vlad was brought in by the coach who was canned.  If it he is so bad why would he recommended by the one many consider best in industry?

It cannot be both ways.

[Doc]

6 hours ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

They fired the oline coach so I don't think the lines need to be read between.

 

And three guys who started this past season have been allowed to become UFAs. Think they'll be re-signed with the intention of them being starters again?

Edited January 16, 2019 by Doc

[Swill Merchant]

3 hours ago, MJS said:

 

And how would a fan know the impact of coaching on the oline? We see the results, not the cause of the results. Could be the lack of talent was the only issue. Could be a coaching problem. Could be a number of other issues. How does a fan watching the games decipher that?

Most fans have no idea. This is why fans prefer to make player personnel THE factor. It makes playing armchair GM easier and more fun. But if it was as easy as collecting talent the Redskins & Cowboys would have ruled the league for the last 20 years. 

 

It's certainly an important factor, but having an offensive scheme that works, coaches who can teach it, and players who fit that scheme is often more important as overall talent.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

4 hours ago, MJS said:

 

And how would a fan know the impact of coaching on the oline? We see the results, not the cause of the results. Could be the lack of talent was the only issue. Could be a coaching problem. Could be a number of other issues. How does a fan watching the games decipher that?

I guess I choose my words unclearly, I meant when I read the quote it sounds like the coaching did not get the most out of the available talent. Maybe guarantees were made before the season like "I can get it done with Vlad" or whatever and it just didn't happen. I don't know what went on, but there was enough to say that castillo's efforts were no longer required for the team.

[MJS]

5 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said:

I guess I choose my words unclearly, I meant when I read the quote it sounds like the coaching did not get the most out of the available talent. Maybe guarantees were made before the season like "I can get it done with Vlad" or whatever and it just didn't happen. I don't know what went on, but there was enough to say that castillo's efforts were no longer required for the team.

 

He was fired, so I agree with you that it appears that his coaching was not up to par. McDermott is looking for an upgrade for a reason. Same with the other coaches who were fired.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

46 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

And three guys who started this past season are UFAs. Think they'll be re-signed?

It will be interesting to see, but I don't know what type player Bobby is looking for to make an educated guess. Miller had shown promise at one point; Groy and Mills could get signed as backup depth. I would say Ducasse has the greatest chance of not being back since he seemed to be riding with Juan. 

 

I understand your point, and far be it for Beane to admit the guys he has on the roster just sucked, but if mcbeane thought the talent overachieved Juan would still be here. Between the "edge" comments and what Dawkins was saying about this year seems to point to the smoking gun. 

Edited January 16, 2019 by 4BillsintheBurgh