Updated: Steelers open to trading Antonio Brown - Rooney sees it hard bringing him back

[Doc Brown]

3 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

That would be the dead cap space for the Steelers, not the team he would be traded to. And Pittsburgh is always tight on cap room.

Yeah.  You're pry right.  I could see a desperate team like the Jets or Cardinals taking on that cap hit as they're QB has a lot of years left on his rookie contract.  My guess is that the Steelers patch things up with him though.

3 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

That would be the dead cap space for the Steelers, not the team he would be traded to. And Pittsburgh is always tight on cap room.

Yeah.  You're pry right.  I could see a desperate team like the Jets or Cardinals taking on that cap hit as they're QB has a lot of years left on his rookie contract.  My guess is that the Steelers patch things up with him though.

[formerlyofCtown]

12 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Developing Josh Allen is job #1.

 

Teams like the Chiefs, Rams, Texans, Eagles and Bears are using stud WR's to elevate the game of their raw young QB's.

 

All but the Chiefs were bad teams like the Bills..........and the next year they became surprise contenders.

 

And btw........they better be contenders next season or McBeane got some 'splainin' to do.........no 5 year plans in the modern NFL.

 

 

Yup they have some really good Olines on those teams.  They will be contenders as long as they dont do anything like trade the 9th overall pick straight up for a 29 year old WR.  If we still had a healthy and productive Cogs and Wood on this team.  I would say go for it straight up.  But our Oline is priority #1.

[Alphadawg7]

34 minutes ago, dabills21 said:

I don't pretend to know everything, but i do know that the Steelers won't trade him.

 

Want to back up your comment with a wager? I'm ready when u are..

 

edit: intended for gugny

 

Why do you say this?  Steelers have repeatedly let their #1 WR go in their prime because they always have guys coming up. 

 

I mean everyone said they would cave and not lose Bell.  They didn’t budge.  It’s absolutely possible they will trade AB.  Doesn’t mean it happens, but to say there is no chance is foolish based on their history of handling the WR situation and player issues.

Edited January 1, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[JoPar_v2]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Unless AB is serious enough about wanting out of Steeltown to give back some of his bonus, the Steelers literally can not afford to trade or cut him.

$22M in dead cap would cripple them next year, with losing a serious talent to boot.

 

 

 

Yeah he’s not going anywhere with the dead cap hit. Tomlin will work out some sort of shaky détente between the 3 of them in the offseason and AB will still throw his usual fits occasionally next season, but he’ll be back.

 

my God for a guy that already got his money, has help around him, a QB throwing him dozens of targets per game, gatorade commercials, amazon commercials, madden covers, he sure seems a bit needy. Definitely feeling himself a bit too much.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I heard it through the grapevine he'd only count for 7 million against the cap if they trade him after June 1st.  The Bills have no shot in hell, but he still could realistically be traded.  I'm sure the Steelers and him will make amends though.

 

I can't speak to the sources and information of your grapevine, but let's just say I'd stop regarding it as a source of straight gouge.

The bottom line is that the Steelers have amortized $21.1M of AB's signing bonus into 2019, 2020, and 2021.  Designating him an after-June-1 cut would shift when they have to pay it, but they'd still have to pay it, plus, they would have to pay him an extra $2.5M roster bonus this year.

 

https://overthecap.com/player/antonio-brown/1579/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/antonio-brown-6702/

 

Note: Overthecap does not show the impact of post-June1 trades and cuts correctly at this point; it doesn't give the team the option to split it as originally designated.

[Big Turk]

58 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

I don’t view it as a bad bet. I wouldn’t expect to have Brown playing at an elite level for the next 5 years but if we can get him at his current production for the next 2 or 3 then I think it would be a tremendous help to Allen’s development. For that I’ll gladly take that chance.

But you are taking on the Steelers overpaid extension for these years based on his prior production for THEM.  That's where the issue is.

Edited January 1, 2019 by matter2003

[formerlyofCtown]

29 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

That's not a better question at all. In fact the two issues are almost unrelated.

 

Julio fills one of the biggest needs on the team; one of the ones you yourself listed.

 

I can feel pretty confident that I can find at least 2 starting OLmen in FA. 

 

You have 9 more draft picks to add talent in areas that are very easy to fill like RB, off-ball LB, rotational DT, and TE. In fact, not a single player from

LorAx, Clay, Shady, or Kyle was a high draft pick; 3 of the 4 were post 5th round.

 

 I also have no clue how you can claim to be confident that a 9th overall pick will be a 10-year contributor; just look at the last 10 #9 overall picks--only 3 turned out to be studs.

They havnt missed yet in the first now have they.

And as far as your first statement LOLOL.  They are absolutely related.

[BADOLBILZ]

28 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Ohno.  Nono.  Way worse.  Way way worse.  McCoy ran his mouth about Kelly, but he never ran out of the locker room at halftime or off of the practice field, or skipped mandatory meetings.  Nothing of that sort.

 

 

 

Debatable to say the least.   McCoy complained a lot about Kelly making him train hard and eat right.   He refused to do what his coaches asked and played freestyle football.  He was traded for cause and then he brought his uncoachability to Buffalo for a disappointing 2015 season.   After a thorough humiliation on multiple levels he came back a changed player/teammate in 2016.  

 

AB and some players have an issue with Big Ben being treated like a boss when he's gotten away with rape numerous times, nearly killed himself on a motorcycle and has backstabbed his teammates at times in the media.   It's been coming to a head.   Unlike McCoy or Ben.....AB is pretty clean off the field which is why you see him sipping' pepsi and eating pizza in commercials and they aren't.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

31 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

I can feel pretty confident that I can find at least 2 starting OLmen in FA. 

 

I respect your judgement.

 

Who are they? 

 

Cuz I been lookin' and it seems like the pickin's are slim

[dabills21]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Why do you say this?  Steelers have repeatedly let their #1 WR go in their prime because they always have guys coming up. 

 

I mean everyone said they would cave and not lose Bell.  They didn’t budge.  It’s absolutely possible they will trade AB.  Doesn’t mean it happens, but to say there is no chance is foolish based on their history of handling the WR situation and player issues.

It's not a foolish comment.  Please go back and review the points that I laid out.  Most importantly, the cap situation...

 

Pittsburgh does move on from players at the right time, you are correct about that.  But you're completely off base thinking this is the right time.  When they moved on from santanio, Wallace, and sanders...none of these guys were:

1. arguably the best WR in the NFL OR

2. had a contract structured in a detrimental fashion to the Steelers to trade them

 

LB situation was completely different...

 

PM me if you want to back up your opinion

[cle23]

8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Yeah.  You're pry right.  I could see a desperate team like the Jets or Cardinals taking on that cap hit as they're QB has a lot of years left on his rookie contract.  My guess is that the Steelers patch things up with him though.

Yeah.  You're pry right.  I could see a desperate team like the Jets or Cardinals taking on that cap hit as they're QB has a lot of years left on his rookie contract.  My guess is that the Steelers patch things up with him though.

 

They cant pass the hit on to any other team. If he is traded or cut,  they have to eat it. No way around it unless, as was mentioned, AB gives back money, which won't happen.

[dabills21]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I can't speak to the sources and information of your grapevine, but let's just say I'd stop regarding it as a source of straight gouge.

The bottom line is that the Steelers have amortized $21.1M of AB's signing bonus into 2019, 2020, and 2021.  Designating him an after-June-1 cut would shift when they have to pay it, but they'd still have to pay it, plus, they would have to pay him an extra $2.5M roster bonus this year.

 

https://overthecap.com/player/antonio-brown/1579/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/antonio-brown-6702/

 

Note: Overthecap does not show the impact of post-June1 trades and cuts correctly at this point; it doesn't give the team the option to split it as originally designated.

Thanks! These are the exact details that I found...based on his March 2018 contract restructure, meant to provide enough cap space to fit Bell under the franchise tag...funny how that backfired

[Alphadawg7]

56 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

1. You didn’t prove anything;

 

2. This was just a question about “likeable” star wideouts. JuJu is emerging as a star, elite wideout in his own right. Sure it helps him that he has AB lined up opposite him most days. Big deal. There are several other WR2s in the league oppo elite guys as well and they don’t come close to Juju’s production. Is Will Fuller putting up juju’s numbers? Is Calvin Ridley? I didn’t dismiss you because you “proved” anything wrong. I dismissed because you’re off-topic.

 

Will Fuller is, and better when he is healthy with Watson.  Ridley is a rookie.  

 

JuJu disappears when AB isn’t in the game.

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'd trade a 1st and Poyer to the Steelers if that's what it took. Antonio Brown is a top 10 player in the entire league and immediately fills our biggest need. You don't let someone like that go because he has bad blood with an above average safety. If Brown is available we should do whatever it takes to get him. I'd offer a 1st and a 4th and maybe a player.

I respectfully but strenuously disagree with you. There is no debate about his talent. So let's put that issue aside. What there is a debate about is his character. Let's be clear here I'm talking about football character and not civil character. Is he in general a good guy? I can't say because I don't know him. However, what I can say is that he is an atrocious teammate who out of petulance walked away from his team at a critical juncture. His volcanic volatility that resulted in him walking out on his team for whatever reason is not acceptable and shouldn't be tolerated. There is nothing unusual about receivers having diva traits. What's extraordinarily rare and unconscionable is without warning simply not showing up for a game when so much is on the line because he was upset about something. I don't give a dam what the problem was because the way he handled it was despicable.

 

McDermott talks a lot about the team concept and the type of players he wants to build the roster with. He preaches individual sacrifice for the betterment of the team He talks about character ad nauseum. If he brought in a player such as Antonio Brown after his self-absorbed and traitorous non-show for a game he would for the future sabotage his credibility on this topic that he so often preaches about.

 

Again, no thank you on this ugly diva who was willing to sabotage his team because he was upset about something. I would prefer to use that dedicated amount of money on the OL or receiving unit. Some principles are hard to live up to. This is not one of them.  

[thebandit27]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I respect your judgement.

 

Who are they? 

 

Cuz I been lookin' and it seems like the pickin's are slim

 

At guard, I can think (off the top of my head) of Glowinski, Foster, Cann, Spain, and Saffold.

 

At OT, again off the top of my head I like Daryl Williams, JaWuan James, Ty Nsehke, and maybe Trent Brown as well.

 

Center is tougher; you're basically down to Morse, because I can't imagine Denver lets Paradis walk.

[GETTOTHE50]

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

Steelers seem like a mess

 

I always thought Tomlin was a badass but it sounds like he is a pushover

 

He’s a scumbag for tripping that ravens player. 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, dabills21 said:

It's not a foolish comment.  Please go back and review the points that I laid out.  Most importantly, the cap situation...

 

Pittsburgh does move on from players at the right time, you are correct about that.  But you're completely off base thinking this is the right time.  When they moved on from santanio, Wallace, and sanders...none of these guys were:

1. arguably the best WR in the NFL OR

2. had a contract structured in a detrimental fashion to the Steelers to trade them

 

LB situation was completely different...

 

PM me if you want to back up your opinion

 

Dude, what’s with this whole kick you are on where you want to bet everyone on this nonsense.  He may not get traded, where did I day he for sure will?  You’re the only one talking in absolutes.  

 

And people said Raiders absolutely won’t trade Mack.  People said absolutely Steelers wouldn’t lose Bell.  People said Allen will absolutely be a bust.  People said we absolutely took the wrong Josh.  People told me I was nuts when I said Mayfield was best QB in draft all college football season and then they told me Mayfield absolutely wouldnt be drafted in the first round.  

 

Being absolute about things that haven’t happened yet is foolish.  And Steelers history suggests its possible they might trade him.  Doesn’t mean they will, but this “bet me” bravado over something this insignificant is a waste of energy.  Good for you that you can see the future, hopefully you put that skill to better use like the lottery than wasting it on ABs and the Steelers future.  

Edited January 1, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[thebandit27]

13 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

They havnt missed yet in the first now have they.

And as far as your first statement LOLOL.  They are absolutely related.

 

So why would you be worried about them missing if they move down in a trade for a veteran WR?

 

And no, they're not related. Draft picks and need shouldn't ever be related outside of QB. If you draft for need you're chasing your tail and likely passing on better players 

[BADOLBILZ]

10 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Yup they have some really good Olines on those teams.  They will be contenders as long as they dont do anything like trade the 9th overall pick straight up for a 29 year old WR.  If we still had a healthy and productive Cogs and Wood on this team.  I would say go for it straight up.  But our Oline is priority #1.

 

 

I think we are all in agreement that the Bills need to improve the OL...........but those regimes in KC, LA, Houston, Philly and Chicago haven't spent much draft capital on OL at all.

 

And of course the strength of the OL in this class is mid-round development players...........there isn't much quality at the top..........so that #9 overall pick is most likely not in play for OL anyway.

 

Try to remember........you are only getting one pick there........you aren't filling 5 areas of need with the #9 overall. 

 

 

 

    

[BarleyNY]

17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I can't speak to the sources and information of your grapevine, but let's just say I'd stop regarding it as a source of straight gouge.

The bottom line is that the Steelers have amortized $21.1M of AB's signing bonus into 2019, 2020, and 2021.  Designating him an after-June-1 cut would shift when they have to pay it, but they'd still have to pay it, plus, they would have to pay him an extra $2.5M roster bonus this year.

 

https://overthecap.com/player/antonio-brown/1579/

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/antonio-brown-6702/

 

Note: Overthecap does not show the impact of post-June1 trades and cuts correctly at this point; it doesn't give the team the option to split it as originally designated.

 

On Spotrac when you look at a contract if you click the red X next to the season you want information about it will show you all of the details about cutting or trading the player that season.  The Steelers can trade Brown if they want but it would hurt in the short term.  Still, it's manageable.