Roundybout Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 The almighty Rams offense held to 6 points by an unreal Bears defense. The unstoppable Chiefs offense taken to overtime by an extraordinary Ravens defense. The exquisite Saints offense stuffed by the surprising Cowboys defense. Maybe reports of the death of defenses were exaggerated, and maybe a defensive-minded coach can succeed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 We have the 2nd ranked defense. We are 4-9. Defense is not still king. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Don’t forget that vaunted Philadelphia offense leaving a steamer in the bed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: We have the 2nd ranked defense. We are 4-9. Defense is not still king. Having some semblance of offense is good too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Having some semblance of offense is good too Id much rather have a great offense and some semblance of a defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, Bangarang said: We have the 2nd ranked defense. We are 4-9. Defense is not still king. I think it is more about balance.....we literally cannot run the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: I think it is more about balance.....we literally cannot run the ball Shady is done. Like an over cooked chicken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: Shady is done. Like an over cooked chicken. Ivory and Murphy didnt exactly light it up today either......its the OL...its just plain bad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 When the rules revert back to what they were in the 80s, yes, perhaps defense can be king. But it's not going to happen. I always love how one weekend's worth of games morphs into the definitive evidence that defense is back...yet nothing really changed The league is built for, over the long haul of an entire season, offense to win out far more often than it loses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 The real question is what is sustainable as opposed to outliers. Keep in mind that the Ravens have lost to the Browns this season. The cowboys lost a home game to the Titans. And the Bears, the best of these 3 teams, lost while giving up 31 to Brock Osweiler. Defense doesn't always travel and these teams that score blow out the bad teams. Ensuring home playoff games. Its the equivalent of trying to win a world series with home runs and no pitching, so much needs to break right to even have a chance, like laughable calls in favor of Dallas in each game. Your margin for error is razor thin, are their examples, sure, can they win, likely not, is it the most expideint course, absolutely not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Having some semblance of offense is good too 64 points scored last 3 games since bye. Should have been enough to be 3-0 against 3 bad teams Record 1-2 vs 3-8 Jags W, 5-6 Fins L, 3-9 Jets L Our top 2 defense should be wrecking these guys (Bortles, Tannesuck and rookie Darnold) like the Bears did last night to Rams, or the Cowboys did to Saints, such an overrated defense here. Edited December 10, 2018 by pop gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Games like this happen every once in a while.. And then these threads are soon to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 7 hours ago, Bangarang said: We have the 2nd ranked defense. We are 4-9. Defense is not still king. 20 th in points allowed. That’s the only defensive ranking that matters. Bears raven and cowboys are 1,2 and 3by the way. Yards are irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 8 hours ago, Bangarang said: We have the 2nd ranked defense. We are 4-9. Defense is not still king. Jets shredded that GOAT DVOA superking D twice when it mattered yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 The thread title says it all: It's just a few games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 9 hours ago, Bangarang said: We have the 2nd ranked defense. We are 4-9. Defense is not still king. The number 3 defense is 9-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 10 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said: The almighty Rams offense held to 6 points by an unreal Bears defense. The unstoppable Chiefs offense taken to overtime by an extraordinary Ravens defense. The exquisite Saints offense stuffed by the surprising Cowboys defense. Maybe reports of the death of defenses were exaggerated, and maybe a defensive-minded coach can succeed. This whole thing is taken so incredibly far out of context. What myself and people had been saying before we drafted Allen is it's great to have an awesome defense...but it's not sustainable for long-term success if that's what you're building around without a franchise QB. It's incredibly tough to keep an elite defense for a prolonged amount of time, sometimes it doesn't even last more than a couple of years. On the other hand...having a franchise QB can make you a perennial force. It is way easier to build a SB contending team long-term than it is if you build around a defense. The Bears window with the defense is probably a couple of seasons, but they're going to start losing players. At that point when their defense comes down a level, they're going to have to depend on Trubisky or whoever the QB is to be running a pretty competent offense to compliment what will still probably be a good, but not great unit anymore. There isn't a death of defenses...they just offer you a much smaller window than if you have a great offense led by a star QB. McDermott's problem isn't that he's a defensive minded coach...it's that he's a horrific game manager and is way too conservative. He coaches to keep it close, not to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 10 hours ago, Bangarang said: We have the 2nd ranked defense. We are 4-9. Defense is not still king. ST's & a Offense that can stay on the field helps immensely !! Saying that D doesn't win championships is like saying having a good running game doesn't mean anything in winning a championship !! The last 2 SB champs have had really good RB's to take the pressure off the QB but according to the experts good RB's are a dime a dozen & a run game isn't that important !! It takes all 3 phases of the team to win if your lacking in one place a good coach will find that weakness !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeziehmer Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Throw the damn towel! Benchthe starters and send in the scrubs on offense and defense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 11 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said: The almighty Rams offense held to 6 points by an unreal Bears defense. The unstoppable Chiefs offense taken to overtime by an extraordinary Ravens defense. The exquisite Saints offense stuffed by the surprising Cowboys defense. Maybe reports of the death of defenses were exaggerated, and maybe a defensive-minded coach can succeed. That the Almighty Bears D that coughed up 30 to the Giants last week? And the extraordinary Ravens D gave up 377 yards passing (Tyreek Hill destroyed that secondary for 139 at 17.4 per) and 30 1st downs. And it was the KC that wrapped that game up in OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 10 hours ago, BillsVet said: When the rules revert back to what they were in the 80s, yes, perhaps defense can be king. But it's not going to happen. I always love how one weekend's worth of games morphs into the definitive evidence that defense is back...yet nothing really changed The league is built for, over the long haul of an entire season, offense to win out far more often than it loses. But who cares about the regular season. Playoffs are a completely different game than the regular season. It’s why Peyton went “one and done” an NFL record 9 times in Indy with those vaunted offenses he led. Undefeated and highest scoring offense in history (Pats) put up just 14 points and lost to a defensive team in SB. Then the team that broke those records, (Broncos) got destroyed in SB by Legion of Boom 41-8. That’s the two highest scoring offenses in NFL history led by two of the greatest QBs in history that combined for 22 points over 2 Super Bowl losses. Come playoffs, defense matters a lot more. Always has and always will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: But who cares about the regular season. Playoffs are a completely different game than the regular season. It’s why Peyton went “one and done” an NFL record 9 times in Indy with those vaunted offenses he led. Undefeated and highest scoring offense in history (Pats) put up just 14 points and lost to a defensive team in SB. Then the team that broke those records, (Broncos) got destroyed in SB by Legion of Boom 41-8. That’s the two highest scoring offenses in NFL history led by two of the greatest QBs in history that combined for 22 points over 2 Super Bowl losses. Come playoffs, defense matters a lot more. Always has and always will. Everyone. Also, losing in the Superbowl doesn't make you a failure, or "not matter." Edited December 10, 2018 by BringBackOrton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 10 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Ivory and Murphy didnt exactly light it up today either......its the OL...its just plain bad Its both IMO. Shady looks noticeably less agile. Not too say he sucks now, but he was always a guy who depended on his agility/speed and I do believe he is slowly losing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 11 hours ago, Bangarang said: We have the 2nd ranked defense. We are 4-9. Defense is not still king. eh to be fair, our team is 4-9 (this "offense" and paltry special teams included), not our defense. on the other hand, while they may be ranked 2nd, they certainly didn't play like it yesterday (ST woes aside). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 21 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Everyone. Also, losing in the Superbowl doesn't make you a failure, or "not matter." Object of the game, literally only object of the game, is to win the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Object of the game, literally only object of the game, is to win the Super Bowl. And 31 teams don't do it every year. Does that mean everything they did doesn't matter? Some of them have good offenses, ergo good offenses don't matter. Some of them have good defenses, or good QB's or good EDGE players or good DB's, does that mean none of those things matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, T master said: ST's & a Offense that can stay on the field helps immensely !! Saying that D doesn't win championships is like saying having a good running game doesn't mean anything in winning a championship !! The last 2 SB champs have had really good RB's to take the pressure off the QB but according to the experts good RB's are a dime a dozen & a run game isn't that important !! It takes all 3 phases of the team to win if your lacking in one place a good coach will find that weakness !! You aren't wrong - but our defense didn't do us any favors yesterday in coverage or in terms of pressure. Shaq had a great game blocking passes, but I'm curious if we just couldn't generate pressure or Darnold just got the ball out quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: And 31 teams don't do it every year. Does that mean everything they did doesn't matter? Some of them have good offenses, ergo good offenses don't matter. Some of them have good defenses, or good QB's or good EDGE players or good DB's, does that mean none of those things matter? Then why doesn’t Brees have 5 SB rings? Because his defense sucked with all those vaunted offenses, hell he barely has made the playoffs with those elite offenses. I could care less about making playoffs. I want to win a title, and therefore build a team that has some balance is by far the best path. Loading up on offense and fielding a crap D is a sure fire way to lose come playoff time. Peyton Manning got both of his SB rings because of his defense. The only year Colts had a D they won and then in 2015 Broncos D and run game carried him to a 2nd title. Making the playoffs is not a success. I want a championship just like all 32 teams want. Edited December 10, 2018 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Then why doesn’t Brees have 5 SB rings? Because his defense sucked with all those vaunted offenses, hell he barely has made the playoffs with those elite offenses. I could care less about making playoffs. I want to win a title, and therefore build a team that has some balance is by far the best path. Loading up on offense and fielding a crap D is a sure fire way to lose come playoff time. Peyton Manning got both of his SB rings because of his defense. The only year Colts had a D they won and then in 2015 Broncos D and run game carried him to a 2nd title. Making the playoffs is not a success. I want a championship just like all 32 teams want. Brees doesn't have 5 rings....so HoF QB's don't matter. I suspect if you're incapable of seeing how silly the above is, this conversation will go nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Brees doesn't have 5 rings....so HoF QB's don't matter. I suspect if you're incapable of seeing how silly the above is, this conversation will go nowhere. Hahaha come on, how in the world did you create that statement off what I just said. The only thing silly here is your odd interpretation of what I just said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, T master said: ST's & a Offense that can stay on the field helps immensely !! Saying that D doesn't win championships is like saying having a good running game doesn't mean anything in winning a championship !! The last 2 SB champs have had really good RB's to take the pressure off the QB but according to the experts good RB's are a dime a dozen & a run game isn't that important !! It takes all 3 phases of the team to win if your lacking in one place a good coach will find that weakness !! Both teams had RB committees, doesn’t really prove your point. Though I don’t like committees myself. Also the 136 points combined in the last two Super Bowls don’t help your argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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