Occasi-Cortez Channeling the Rent's too damn high guy

[BeginnersMind]

5 hours ago, GG said:

 

Would that include you walking back your Trump Russia thesis?  I don't recall a single "Oops, my bad" post from you since you started that thread.

 

?

 

I didn’t take a hard stand on Trump and Russia. I wanted more info when the story broke. I’ve said many times in the last year that I don’t believe there was collusion between Trump and Russia, and the entire thing became a divisive waste of time (and still is). 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 20, 2019 by BeginnersMind

[Buffalo_Gal]

4 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

You’re both wrong. He said they were from catastrophic, corrupt countries. Then he told them to go back to those countries. 

 

If if you want to defend what he said as having no racist undertones, it’s a stretch, but at least stick to that.

 

But if you do, you can’t redeem him by defending his statement as accurate because it’s not. Ivanka and Melania got to him and we got the softest backpeddle.  That’s about all we will see. 

 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

8 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

You’re both wrong. He said they were from catastrophic, corrupt countries. Then he told them to go back to those countries. 

 

If if you want to defend what he said as having no racist undertones, it’s a stretch, but at least stick to that.

 

But if you do, you can’t redeem him by defending his statement as accurate because it’s not. Ivanka and Melania got to him and we got the softest backpeddle.  That’s about all we will see. 

 

You bring up a good example.  If I told Melania to go back to where she came from does that make me racist?   Again you idiots are confusing nationalities and ideologies with color. It's all about color for the lift isn't. 

[plenzmd1]

26 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

First off I addressed the “I think” by referring to how to feel. Second.  How is he framing the discussion regarding blacks?  

 

And here’s the real interesting part. You think he is doing the whole border thing because of “brown people” whereas I think he’s doing it because they are ILLEGAL and there are bad people coming in. Again people on the left (and I think you’re more left of center) see color. We on the right, for the most part, see ideologies and situations. 

 

And finally. Let me ask you Paul, do you think there are bad people coming across our southern border? 

 

That part about going back to where they came from?  He’s an idiot for saying that. But what part of “where they came from” racist? 

I am not quite sure where you are pulling this statement” you believe he is doing the whole border thing cause of brown people”. I think you be hard pressed to find any of my statements on here that say we don not have a massive issue with illegal immigration. 

 

Having said that, I think , he thinks, he gains political capital by framing things as us vs them. 

 

And i I am trying to do this while at the OTB, so cut me some slack!

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

I am not quite sure where you are pulling this statement” you believe he is doing the whole border thing cause of brown people”. I think you be hard pressed to find any of my statements on here that say we don not have a massive issue with illegal immigration. 

 

Having said that, I think , he thinks, he gains political capital by framing things as us vs them. 

 

And i I am trying to do this while at the OTB, so cut me some slack!

 

Then what are you talking about white vs brown?  And again he's pitting America vs non-Americans.  That is the us vs them.   Color's go nuthin' to do with it.  

 

Oh and...........

 

https://www.verywellmind.com/usa-local-problem-gambling-hotlines-22031

 

 

 

[plenzmd1]

23 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

You bring up a good example.  If I told Melania to go back to where she came from does that make me racist?   Again you idiots are confusing nationalities and ideologies with color. It's all about color for the lift isn't. 

Show me one example of that,, of trump telling any of his white opposition to come back to where they came from. Just 1. 

4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Then what are you talking about white vs brown?  And again he's pitting America vs non-Americans.  That is the us vs them.   Color's go nuthin' to do with it.  

 

Oh and...........

 

https://www.verywellmind.com/usa-local-problem-gambling-hotlines-22031

 

 

 

We will disagree on he is only pitting nationalities , he is putting nationalities and color. He killing Bernie or Gillebrand on this stuff? Hell no, they whiter than Casper. He hitting people of color, think that is pretty obvious. 

 

And i aint got a gambling problem, I got a winning problem!

[Golden Goat]

2 hours ago, Whatnot78 said:

 

Finish what he said in the tweet.  He says then come back and tell us how to fix the issues.

 

Everyone seems to ignore that part

 

Same as they ignore him being against ILLEGAL immigration.

[Whatnot78]

Just now, Golden Goat said:

 

Same as they ignore him being against ILLEGAL immigration.

Be careful...that’s a bad word now...for breaking laws CREATED BY CONGRESS.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

22 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

?

 

I didn’t take a hard stand on Trump and Russia. I wanted more info when the story broke. I’ve said many times in the last year that I don’t believe there was collusion between Trump and Russia, and the entire thing became a divisive waste of time (and still is). 

 

 

 

 

Hmm. "Divisive waste of time"?  Interesting choice of words.

 

You "think" Trump did not collude with Russia--would you go so far as to say you "know" he didn't collude (given 3 yrs, 30m Muller Muller Muller) with Russia?  Let's agree that this is not "swear on pain of death know", just "based on the information readily available after Muller tore #@$% up asked. 

 

"Divisive" on the part of whom? Trump has been crystal clear since day 1.  There has been no wavering, no cracks in the foundation of defense, no negotiation to make it all go away. I don't think you can consider a guy accused of treason to be divisive when he's defending himself against false charges as being divisive?   So...divisive on the part of the dems/libs/media?  If so, was it intentional on the part of the dems? Divide a nation by attacking the integrity of our elections?  Divisive to impact the agenda of the duly elected president? To harm him, politically and perhaps...personally?  It's hard to imagine calling someone out as essential a traitor might not have some fallout. What about the potential nullification of my vote, when he's hampered by this massive inquiry? 

 

"Waste of time"?  I'd argue the dems/enemies of the people would not consider it a waste of time at all to wage a divisive psychological war against a stirring president. Certainly it would impact the admin and likely did the midterms.  And I could be reading too much into what you're saying, but "waste of time" on this level implies to me incompetence by the DOJ and Obama admin on an epic scale, or something much more nefarious? How on earth could the intelligence community so misread the tea leaves that were so obvious they felt they had to detonate a bunker buster under the new admin---knowing the polarizing and paralyzing effect it would have---and be so wrong about it?  

 

 

 

  How do you see it?  

 

 

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

Show me one example of that,, of trump telling any of his white opposition to come back to where they came from. Just 1. 

We will disagree on he is only pitting nationalities , he is putting nationalities and color. He killing Bernie or Gillebrand on this stuff? Hell no, they whiter than Casper. He hitting people of color, think that is pretty obvious. 

 

And i aint got a gambling problem, I got a winning problem!

 

Where are you pulling the race card from?  Because I'm pretty sure all you got is the "I think".  Which is ok but a hell of an accusation don't you think?

 

Oh and..............

 

https://www.aa.org/

[BeginnersMind]

16 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Then what are you talking about white vs brown?  And again he's pitting America vs non-Americans.  That is the us vs them.   Color's go nuthin' to do with it.  

 

Oh and...........

 

https://www.verywellmind.com/usa-local-problem-gambling-hotlines-22031

 

 

 

 

He said Americans weren’t from America but some other country. 

 

You should try out your go back to your country line in a workplace to a black coworker, or just the next black person who messes up your latte order. Should be well received. 

2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Hmm. "Divisive waste of time"?  Interesting choice of words.

 

You "think" Trump did not collude with Russia--would you go so far as to say you "know" he didn't collude (given 3 yrs, 30m Muller Muller Muller) with Russia?  Let's agree that this is not "swear on pain of death know", just "based on the information readily available after Muller tore #@$% up asked. 

 

"Divisive" on the part of whom? Trump has been crystal clear since day 1.  There has been no wavering, no cracks in the foundation of defense, no negotiation to make it all go away. I don't think you can consider a guy accused of treason to be divisive when he's defending himself against false charges as being divisive?   So...divisive on the part of the dems/libs/media?  If so, was it intentional on the part of the dems? Divide a nation by attacking the integrity of our elections?  Divisive to impact the agenda of the duly elected president? To harm him, politically and perhaps...personally?  It's hard to imagine calling someone out as essential a traitor might not have some fallout. What about the potential nullification of my vote, when he's hampered by this massive inquiry? 

 

"Waste of time"?  I'd argue the dems/enemies of the people would not consider it a waste of time at all to wage a divisive psychological war against a stirring president. Certainly it would impact the admin and likely did the midterms.  And I could be reading too much into what you're saying, but "waste of time" on this level implies to me incompetence by the DOJ and Obama admin on an epic scale, or something much more nefarious? How on earth could the intelligence community so misread the tea leaves that were so obvious they felt they had to detonate a bunker buster under the new admin---knowing the polarizing and paralyzing effect it would have---and be so wrong about it?  

 

 

 

  How do you see it?  

 

 

 

Agree with much of this, if it makes you feel better. Russians interfered in our election. I’m glad we investigated. Dems got way out over their skis on wishful thinking Trump colluded. He didn’t. 

 

Intel agencies are filled with humans. Some don’t like Trump. 

 

And Obama was a terrible President. Only slightly less divisive than Trump. 

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

He said Americans weren’t from America but some other country. 

 

You should try out your go back to your country line in a workplace to a black coworker, or just the next black person who messes up your latte order. Should be well received. 

 

 

I don't give a crap how the black East Ender receives it I tell him to go back to his country of origin for ***** up my latte.  Again what's his color have to do with it???  

[plenzmd1]

10 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Where are you pulling the race card from?  Because I'm pretty sure all you got is the "I think".  Which is ok but a hell of an accusation don't you think?

 

Oh and..............

 

https://www.aa.org/

Has he told any of the white “ socialists” to go back where they came from? Name me one. 

 

And i I ain’t got a drinking problem, just can’t hit my mouth all time with glass 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

9 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

He said Americans weren’t from America but some other country. 

 

You should try out your go back to your country line in a workplace to a black coworker, or just the next black person who messes up your latte order. Should be well received. 

 

Agree with much of this, if it makes you feel better. Russians interfered in our election. I’m glad we investigated. Dems got way out over their skis on wishful thinking Trump colluded. He didn’t. 

 

Intel agencies are filled with humans. Some don’t like Trump. 

 

And Obama was a terrible President. Only slightly less divisive than Trump. 

I don't necessarily feel better or worse, I already know how I feel. 

 

What I don't understand is how you can write off a massive plot to unseat a president, using intelligence as a weapon, using the resources of federal and state government to overthrow the president as something as benign as some folks are just "human". 

 

At least, I can't reconcile you writing all that sh8t off just as people being people and then get all uppity about another human just doing human things like tweeting. 

 

Come to think of it, why do we prosecute spies?  Robert Hanseen, for example. I'll run the checklist:

 

A. American;

B. Human;

C. Didn't like something;

D. Definitely less divisive than Trump and Obama. 

 

What was the fuss? 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

8 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Has he told any of the white “ socialists” to go back where they came from? Name me one. 

 

And i I ain’t got a drinking problem, just can’t hit my mouth all time with glass 

 

Dude seriously??  Those four have been in our faces for how long now.   What he was really saying (I think LOL) is "your ideologies the ***** out of here!!"  Not your brown/black asses!!

 

Oh and........

 

https://www.amazon.com/slp/best-sippy-cups/zqat9rkd5z8o9t9

[plenzmd1]

28 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Dude seriously??  Those four have been in our faces for how long now.   What he was really saying (I think LOL) is "your ideologies the ***** out of here!!"  Not your brown/black asses!!

 

Oh and........

 

https://www.amazon.com/slp/best-sippy-cups/zqat9rkd5z8o9t9

Ya know, if he said your ideologies suck and you all freaking dumb as stumps,,, all good. 

 

But, he brought race into by saying “ go back  to where you came from”

Edited July 20, 2019 by plenzmd1

[BeginnersMind]

6 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

Ya know, if he said your ideologies suck and you all freaking dumb as stumps,,, all good. 

 

But, he brought race into by saying “ go back  to where you came from”

 

And that they came from shithole countries more or less. 

 

Of course he wouldn’t say it to Bernie or a white person. And of course anyone would be fired for saying this to an American black coworker in a workplace. Good luck getting movement from him. 

7 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I don't necessarily feel better or worse, I already know how I feel. 

 

What I don't understand is how you can write off a massive plot to unseat a president, using intelligence as a weapon, using the resources of federal and state government to overthrow the president as something as benign as some folks are just "human". 

 

I don’t see it as an organized nefarious plot.

 

7 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

At least, I can't reconcile you writing all that sh8t off just as people being people and then get all uppity about another human just doing human things like tweeting. 

 

The tweeting human is our president not Jon from Nevada. 

 

Prosecute the law breakers. 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

[KRC]

11 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

 

 

 

You may want to be careful. You posted a tweet without commentary. Not to put words in your mouth, but something along the lines of "Hey, dumbasses. Since you continue to be intellectually dishonest with the conversation, why are you purposely not addressing the entire statement in your racists rants?" You can put it in your own words. ?

[3rdnlng]

53 minutes ago, KRC said:

 

You may want to be careful. You posted a tweet without commentary. Not to put words in your mouth, but something along the lines of "Hey, dumbasses. Since you continue to be intellectually dishonest with the conversation, why are you purposely not addressing the entire statement in your racists rants?" You can put it in your own words. ?

In some people's minds Trump's statement has morphed into "go back to your own country" when that clearly was not what he said. It's purely TDS.

[IDBillzFan]

59 minutes ago, KRC said:

 

You may want to be careful. You posted a tweet without commentary. Not to put words in your mouth, but something along the lines of "Hey, dumbasses. Since you continue to be intellectually dishonest with the conversation, why are you purposely not addressing the entire statement in your racists rants?" You can put it in your own words. ?

 

It's a lot like the time he called MS-13 Mexican gangbangers "animals."

 

Everyone knows he was referencing MS-13, but the left claims he was speaking about all Mexicans and carry that lie to this day.

 

As we know, when you lack intelligent, rational argument for your policies, then you lie and lie and lie about the other side. As it is often said, tell a lie enough times...

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

28 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

In some people's minds Trump's statement has morphed into "go back to your own country" when that clearly was not what he said. It's purely TDS.

 

....didn't he actually say, "go back to your own country.....fix what is wrong.......and then come back to tell us how you did it" or something to that effect?......perhaps I'm wrong though...

[BeginnersMind]

He said they were from other countries. Then in the next sentence he said they should go back to those places. But according to the Trump apologists, his clearly wrong statement in the first sentence has zero relation to the second sentence. Haha haha. 

 

The words are not that hard to read. BG posted them above. 

Edited July 20, 2019 by BeginnersMind

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....didn't he actually say, "go back to your own country.....fix what is wrong.......and then come back to tell us how you did it" or something to that effect?......perhaps I'm wrong though...

Words, sentences, punctuation et al are meant to convey thoughts. If context is removed from a statement then it changes its meaning. Just removing a comma can change a sentence completely. "Let's eat, Mom" means something entirely different than "Lets eat Mom". The Donner family is still paying for that little misunderstanding.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Just now, 3rdnlng said:

Words, sentences, punctuation et al are meant to convey thoughts. If context is removed from a statement then it changes its meaning. Just removing a comma can change a sentence completely. "Let's eat, Mom" means something entirely different than "Lets eat Mom". The Donner family is still paying for that little misunderstanding.

 

....good point......no different than stats which are easily manipulated but can equally prove diverse points...."convenient omission" as you said (oh wait, it's "paraphrasing") is the same damn thing......and it is the NORM versus exception (oops my bad, um right) with the media cesspool today.....poor Huntley, Brinkley, Cronkite, Edward R, etc are rolling over with the destruction of their once proud and revered profession....

[row_33]

It was a dumb thing for him to tweet, but they’ve cried wolf so many times that whatever

 

 

[Chef Jim]

12 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

Ya know, if he said your ideologies suck and you all freaking dumb as stumps,,, all good. 

 

But, he brought race into by saying “ go back  to where you came from”

 

Again. For crying out ***** loud. Your nationality has not one ***** thing to do with color!!  How can you not understand that??  

[3rdnlng]

29 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....good point......no different than stats which are easily manipulated but can equally prove diverse points...."convenient omission" as you said (oh wait, it's "paraphrasing") is the same damn thing......and it is the NORM versus exception (oops my bad, um right) with the media cesspool today.....poor Huntley, Brinkley, Cronkite, Edward R, etc are rolling over with the destruction of their once proud and revered profession....

To understand and appreciate Trump one must look at his deeds and use a filter for his words. He says a lot of things that are stupid sounding or can be easily twisted by the Left and the MSM into sounding stupid or racist. He grew up as a NYC real estate developer and a tv showman. He talks trash and uses hyperbole because it's in his DNA.

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 hours ago, KRC said:

 

You may want to be careful. You posted a tweet without commentary. Not to put words in your mouth, but something along the lines of "Hey, dumbasses. Since you continue to be intellectually dishonest with the conversation, why are you purposely not addressing the entire statement in your racists rants?" You can put it in your own words. 

I was hoping he'd reread the tweets and  recognize his interpretation is merely a MSM talking-point.  Guess not. 
 

Edited July 20, 2019 by Buffalo_Gal

[row_33]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

To understand and appreciate Trump one must look at his deeds and use a filter for his words. He says a lot of things that are stupid sounding or can be easily twisted by the Left and the MSM into sounding stupid or racist. He grew up as a NYC real estate developer and a tv showman. He talks trash and uses hyperbole because it's in his DNA.

 

If the media doesn’t like you they will twist everything to look horrible 

 

 

[KRC]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

In some people's minds Trump's statement has morphed into "go back to your own country" when that clearly was not what he said. It's purely TDS.

 

Even when provided with the entire quote, they still just boil it down to under 10 words. And they wonder why they are mocked.

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I was hoping he'd reread the tweets and  recognize his interpretation is merely a MSM talking-point.  Guess not. 
 

 

Reading is difficult.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

To understand and appreciate Trump one must look at his deeds and use a filter for his words. He says a lot of things that are stupid sounding or can be easily twisted by the Left and the MSM into sounding stupid or racist. He grew up as a NYC real estate developer and a tv showman. He talks trash and uses hyperbole because it's in his DNA.

 

....brash, bold, irascible, nasty or any other adjective you want to use......when is the last time in our political history you've seen brass bawls calling it as he sees it versus the mamby pamby, politically correct good 'ol boyz network?....who else has turned and exposed Washington corruption on its hidden ugly head?.......once thought of "bastians of our democracy" as in DOJ or FBI woefully exposed for their political abuse/manipulation?...J Edgar Hoover feels slighted......expand beyond Washington and much of the same.....personal power and personal enrichment and "eff the people's business"......that's a bigger BS line than "I promise I will call you tomorrow"......I'm convinced that the electorate is comprised of many "not the brightest bulbs in the lighting store" regardless of which side of the aisle....wooed like Jim Jones followers because "it sounded good"....uh oh...re-electing the likes of 138 year old Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, Fritz Hollings, Bob Byrd, etc or electing Franken, AOL, DiBlasio or the "Squad" into office?....you just can't make this stuff up.....Nixon and the Watergate era looks like a "Flying Nun" sequel compared to the Clinton Crime Machine Era followed by the Obama cardboard cutout propped up by Clintonites.....$300+ mill "foundation" my azz...Extortion 101.....in the true spirit of FULL DISCLOSURE:

 

1. I never revered or respected Trump in the business world PERIOD. No ned to go into detail.

2. I am an Independent who has NEVER voted a straight ticket in 66 years.

 

...but I am certainly enjoying how Trump has turned our alleged "best democracy in the world" exposing the same graft and corruption that others face, despite the "oh that could never be us" blind thinking......wake up call.....

[Wacka]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Again. For crying out ***** loud. Your nationality has not one ***** thing to do with color!!  How can you not understand that??  

Remember Charlize Theron is an African-American.

[/dev/null]

44 minutes ago, Wacka said:

Remember Charlize Theron is an African-American.

 

and Gal Gadot is an Asian-American

[plenzmd1]

3 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

In some people's minds Trump's statement has morphed into "go back to your own country" when that clearly was not what he said. It's purely TDS.

Quote

Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came.

...umm exact freaking quote  you have reading comprehension issues?

 

 

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Again. For crying out ***** loud. Your nationality has not one ***** thing to do with color!!  How can you not understand that??  

okay dude...something no one on here wants to answer...for ***** sake GO BACK TO WHERE... they are Americans., born the USA  .is that somehow lost on all of you? They were all born in the USA except one. So tell where do they go back to!

[Boatdrinks]

14 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

Ya know, if he said your ideologies suck and you all freaking dumb as stumps,,, all good. 

 

But, he brought race into by saying “ go back  to where you came from”

Country of origin doesn’t = race. Sorry, but that statement isn’t racist. Journalists ( loosely) have really run off the rails with this. Not only telling us what is “ racist” , but even going so far as to call it the role of journalists to do so. The role is to report what was said, ( I.e the truth) and allow the reader to decide for themselves. Not sure when that was lost on them, but it’s ingrained in them to inject opinion into every story now. 

[plenzmd1]

3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Country of origin doesn’t = race. 

Jesus, how hard is this to understand..they were born in America.

 

I know yall will never see the rweet as racist and yall want to atke it literally word for word..so tell me where they "came from"

 

maybe all you trump supporters should just start wearing brown shirts

Edited July 20, 2019 by plenzmd1

[Boatdrinks]

11 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

Jesus, how hard is this to understand..they were born in America.

 

I know yall will never see the rweet as racist and yall want to atke it literally word for word..so tell me where they "came from"

 

maybe all you trump supporters should just start wearing brown shirts

Well, three of them were. The one that wasn’t seems where the tweet was aimed. That individual has made anti Semitic statements , and they all seem to dislike many American principles. What isn’t hard to understand though, is that where they came from ( or their grandparents ) is a place , not a race. The tweet is not racist, nor is the statement. It’s about the foundation of American government vs a socialist style one. 

[plenzmd1]

7 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Well, three of them were. The one that wasn’t seems where the tweet was aimed. That individual has made anti Semitic statements , and they all seem to dislike many American principles. What isn’t hard to understand though, is that where they came from ( or their grandparents ) is a place , not a race. The tweet is not racist, nor is the statement. It’s about the foundation of American government vs a socialist style one. 

ahh , I got it. Now i need to take most of the tweet literally, but understand when he said the squad he was really only talking about one of them..so don't take that part literally.

The mental gymnastics yall go through to never say a bad word about this dude..

 

and do please point out which part of "american Principles " they dislike....show me some real ass quotes and clips.. and not talking points .

 

 

Edited July 20, 2019 by plenzmd1

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

ahh , I got it. Now i need to take most of the tweet literally, but understand when he said the squad he was really only talking about one of them..so don't take that part literally.

The mental gymnastics yall go through to never say a bad word about this dude..

Are Trump's deeds racist?