BeginnersMind Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 25 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: OKay, which position would you like me to point to 1) Ag... If you criticize Trump here, you’re assumed to be a wild-eyed liberal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said: I had to read it three times to make sure he was complimenting her. Understandable. He rarely compliments anyone. Your stereotypical angry white dude. ? 2 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: If you criticize Trump here, you’re assumed to be a wild-eyed liberal. Shut the ***** up. Almost every conservative here criticizes Trump on a regular basis. Edited July 19, 2019 by Chef Jim 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: If you criticize Trump here, you’re assumed to be a wild-eyed liberal. You're very special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said: He says she should go back to her home country on twitter, then stares off and takes no action (ala McCain’s classy moment) when the chant happens days later, and now “is not happy with it.” When Trump is speaking in bull####-ese, one of his tells is “I think you know this:” See above. Edited July 19, 2019 by BeginnersMind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: If you criticize Trump here, you’re assumed to be a wild-eyed liberal. Aaaand another lazy take. You surely do a disservice to your other screen names, who were rarely lazy in their thoughts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, GG said: Aaaand another lazy take. You surely do a disservice to your other screen names, who were rarely lazy in their thoughts. Plenz gets lumped as a liberal, as do I. Why? Because we actively criticize Trump for the things we disagree with him on. Ill start posting Twitter opinions of others. That’s not lazy. Edited July 19, 2019 by BeginnersMind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 minute ago, BeginnersMind said: Plenz gets lumped as a liberal, as do I. Why? Because we actively criticize Trump for the things we disagree with him on. You do not get lumped in as a liberal. You're firmly in the camp of a hot takes poster who now adds very little value to the discourse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: Plenz gets lumped as a liberal, as do I. Why? Because we actively criticize Trump for the things we disagree with him on. Ill start posting Twitter opinions of others. That’s not lazy. I'll say it again: the board's not anti-liberal, it's anti-schmuck. Stop being one. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 42 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: OKay, which position would you like me to point to 1) Agreed with both SCOTUS picks 2) Agree with majority of what Trump has done with the economy outside the tax cuts 3) Have said numerous times in several places liberal policies have had a deleterious effect on the whole for minority populations in this country 4) And i guess its up for debate which side this lands on..I am a staunch believer in our civil liberties and want to make sure all forms of government are reined in and their ability to get into out =r lives restricted 5) I have always agreed with the "investigate the invertigor" sentiment..i have NEVER disagreed and have actively encouraged that investigation. ask @Deranged Rhino 6) Show mw one place, even one, where i have said Barr, Pompeo and for that matter even Bolton were not the right men for the job. 7) I have said repeatedly and over and over again immigration is a massive issue, and we need reform.Do i think a wall fixes that problem , or even puts a dent into it? Hell no. Does not mean i am for open borders etc..it means we need genuine reform. Go back to Govt closed down thread, i was strongly pox on both their houses Health care and health insurance i have readily admitted is beyond my scope..i am not an expert, and just cause Republicanss say bad, i do not condemn thecurrentt policy. Much as just cause the Dems say good, i am not all in on what we have. Don'tt understand a lot of it I am pro life , struggle with the ***** and sex crime aspect of it..flip side i am anit capital punishment..as i said i am pro life 9) 100 % believe and have said on here the right to bear arms is a fundamental right in this country..dont see the need for assault rifles, want very strong background checks. 10) I do believe the climate is changing, i believe the science behind it, don't think it is 100% man made..buty i think it ridiculous to think it is all a liberal conspiracy. I will go so far as to tell you i do NOT recycle the majority of my trash..as i have done extensive research and it al points to 90% of recycling is a net negative 11) for college, i believe in some "set asides" based on income, not race. I guess you name me a an issue, I will tell you my stance.. Now you go ahead and find any instance where i have taken a "liberal" stance..and that does mean an anti Trump stance, that means a liberal policy stance. I have a feeling you will struggle What i dont care about is what you do with any consenting adult in your bedroom, i don't t believe any one religion is better than the next, I think as a matter of fact religious folks tend to be the most hypacritical folks in the land. I believe our leaders should be held to a higher standard, that i should be able to trust what they say with out "figuring it out", that sometimes a racist tweet/ act is just that... You are all over the place is seems. That is NOT a criticism - I am too. So, you are just a #NeverTrump-er ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 22 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said: He says she should go back to her home country on twitter, then stares off and takes no action (ala McCain’s classy moment) when the chant happens days later, and now “is not happy with it.” When Trump is speaking in bull####-ese, one of his tells is “I think you know this:” See above. This is not complicated if you’d simply pay attention, instead of immediately jumping to the CNN talking points. Trump suggested that SHE should CHOOSE to go back home if she doesn’t like it her. The crowd said THEY should SEND her back. There’s a huge difference. Or don’t you believe in a ‘woman’s right to choose’? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 8 hours ago, Buftex said: I have thought about this...I get what you are saying about Hillary...but not sure what your point is about the Obamas. If I didn't know you better, I would think you were trying to be charitable toward Mrs. Obama... but what is the punch-line here? What does she have to do with anything? What I believe is that if you take Bill away from Hillary's world, she'd never be the political success that she has been (from a career standpoint...Senator, SOS, POTUS candidate, etc.). Likewise, If you take Michelle away from Barack, he's probably still a member of the Choom gang to this day. If I had to make a list of who would be the first female president, Michelle Obama would be at the top of that list, neck and neck with NIkki Haley, but certainly at the pole position of the Dem contenders by a country mile. Her demeanor, presence and speaking skills are everything you don't find in Hillary, Warren or even Harris. Unlike all of them, she comes across as trusting, caring, empathetic and genuine. Put another way, if Michelle Obama was running for POTUS for 2020, Trump would get destroyed. No matter what happens with this next election, I'm confident you'll see here in the 2024 field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: What I believe is that if you take Bill away from Hillary's world, she'd never be the political success that she has been (from a career standpoint...Senator, SOS, POTUS candidate, etc.). Likewise, If you take Michelle away from Barack, he's probably still a member of the Choom gang to this day. If I had to make a list of who would be the first female president, Michelle Obama would be at the top of that list, neck and neck with NIkki Haley, but certainly at the pole position of the Dem contenders by a country mile. Her demeanor, presence and speaking skills are everything you don't find in Hillary, Warren or even Harris. Unlike all of them, she comes across as trusting, caring, empathetic and genuine. Put another way, if Michelle Obama was running for POTUS for 2020, Trump would get destroyed. No matter what happens with this next election, I'm confident you'll see here in the 2024 field. Can I have some of whatever it is you are smoking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: You are all over the place is seems. That is NOT a criticism - I am too. So, you are just a #NeverTrump-er ? I don't think I am all over the place, i think the great majority of my views would be considered conservative, with some modifications when it comes to religion and who ya love etc. In terms of the #nevertrump..i guess that is what really rankles me..why not have a nuanced position? Why reduce to a two or three word hashtag. Early in this thread you said anyone who thought the original tweet was racist was only cause #orangemanbad....that is not having a discussion on ideas, that is , as you say, identity politics.You lump anyone who diagress or critizes Trump into a #..i think that is wrong. Would i like someone who has the majority of Trump policy decisions with out all the derisiveness and turmoil his guy causes? damn right. Did i want Hilary over this guy..hell no. I just think it a phenomenon i have never seen before in my 57 years...where this guy and his base truly rationalize even the must vile of things as somehow okay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatnot78 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: I don't think I am all over the place, i think the great majority of my views would be considered conservative, with some modifications when it comes to religion and who ya love etc. In terms of the #nevertrump..i guess that is what really rankles me..why not have a nuanced position? Why reduce to a two or three word hashtag. Early in this thread you said anyone who thought the original tweet was racist was only cause #orangemanbad....that is not having a discussion on ideas, that is , as you say, identity politics.You lump anyone who diagress or critizes Trump into a #..i think that is wrong. Would i like someone who has the majority of Trump policy decisions with out all the derisiveness and turmoil his guy causes? damn right. Did i want Hilary over this guy..hell no. I just think it a phenomenon i have never seen before in my 57 years...where this guy and his base truly rationalize even the must vile of things as somehow okay... an hour ago you lumped all "religious folks as the most hypocritical folks in the land" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Who's rationalizing ? DOUBLE STANDARDS: VIDEO: Students say Obama immigration quote racist. . .when they think it’s from Trump. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: What I believe is that if you take Bill away from Hillary's world, she'd never be the political success that she has been (from a career standpoint...Senator, SOS, POTUS candidate, etc.). Likewise, If you take Michelle away from Barack, he's probably still a member of the Choom gang to this day. If I had to make a list of who would be the first female president, Michelle Obama would be at the top of that list, neck and neck with NIkki Haley, but certainly at the pole position of the Dem contenders by a country mile. Her demeanor, presence and speaking skills are everything you don't find in Hillary, Warren or even Harris. Unlike all of them, she comes across as trusting, caring, empathetic and genuine. Put another way, if Michelle Obama was running for POTUS for 2020, Trump would get destroyed. No matter what happens with this next election, I'm confident you'll see here in the 2024 field. I have a feeling you have it backwards with Bill and Hillary. You take her away Bill spends his life doing litigation. I think she pushed and pushed him real hard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: A pity party? I say this as someone who is not a conservative... this has been a fight where one side has a hand tied behind their back, and the other has been using brass knuckles. Now, when the right is finally getting in a few blows, the left doesn't like it. You can only scream "shut-up and sit down" at people for so long before they rise up. This has been brewing for quite a while. You just happen to have a front row seat to the party of "that's not who we are" deciding that they have had enough. @plenzmd1 Pretty much this right here. The primary leaders of the GOP have never punched back like Trump. They just the left tell lies and misrepresent stories on the path to the high road. That thread I posted is pretty specific to what I'm talking about and, I'll be honest, it's kind of odd you equate that to a pity party. 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Can I have some of whatever it is you are smoking? It's a relative comment. I believe most people who aren't dead dog Dems don't find Warren, Hillary or Harris very likable or believable. Their histories are filled with disingenuous words and actions. Hillary = Corrupt. Warren = Fake. Harris = Corrupt AND Fake. Michelle has virtually always come across as above everything. Protective of her husband, yes, but she, personally, doesn't carry much baggage to the average voter other than being Barack's wife, and if you listen and watch her, you realize she's not Barack's wife. He's Michelle's husband. Assuming that makes sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: I don't think I am all over the place, i think the great majority of my views would be considered conservative, with some modifications when it comes to religion and who ya love etc. In terms of the #nevertrump..i guess that is what really rankles me..why not have a nuanced position? Why reduce to a two or three word hashtag. Early in this thread you said anyone who thought the original tweet was racist was only cause #orangemanbad....that is not having a discussion on ideas, that is , as you say, identity politics.You lump anyone who diagress or critizes Trump into a #..i think that is wrong. Would i like someone who has the majority of Trump policy decisions with out all the derisiveness and turmoil his guy causes? damn right. Did i want Hilary over this guy..hell no. I just think it a phenomenon i have never seen before in my 57 years...where this guy and his base truly rationalize even the must vile of things as somehow okay... No, I do not link everyone who disagrees with President Trump all together. I do not agree with everything he says or does. I label people who knee-jerk react to something he does, simply because Trump does it, as #OrangeManBad people. When those three tweets came out, I thought nothing of them... I read them, processed what was actually said, and watched the screaming begin. Over the course of the next four days it was pretty clear for all to see how politically brilliant those three tweets were. Democrats have (begrudgingly) admitted it was a political masterpiece in just a few words. Yes, there was pearl-clutching among "conservatives" simply because "that's not who we are" and because President Trump said (wrote) it. There was nothing racist or vile about those tweets. Nothing. Yet people went running around screaming with their hair on fire because they were from President Trump. And that is why people get labeled #OrangeManBad or #NeverTrump-ers... because the reaction is negative to nearly everything he does, simply because he is the one doing it. It is truly remarkable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: I have a feeling you have it backwards with Bill and Hillary. You take her away Bill spends his life doing litigation. I think she pushed and pushed him real hard. I don't think that's backwards at all. I think you're absolutely right. But the original point remains; if you remove Bill from HIllary, she doesn't have the political resume she currently carries. There would be no Senator Hillary, or Sec of State Hillary or Presidential Candidate Hillary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: I don't think that's backwards at all. I think you're absolutely right. But the original point remains; if you remove Bill from HIllary, she doesn't have the political resume she currently carries. There would be no Senator Hillary, or Sec of State Hillary or Presidential Candidate Hillary. Possibly but I wouldn't put it past her ego is she pushed Bill for her own personal/future agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: I don't think that's backwards at all. I think you're absolutely right. But the original point remains; if you remove Bill from HIllary, she doesn't have the political resume she currently carries. There would be no Senator Hillary, or Sec of State Hillary or Presidential Candidate Hillary. Glad to see you don't think Michelle was a fascist for wanting kids school lunches to be healthier. I don't disagree with your point about Hillary, but I would make the point that her political career is like many in politics. Who you know is pretty relevant... and to be fair, it doesn't automatically make somebody more or less capable for a job. Edited July 19, 2019 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 37 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: @plenzmd1 Pretty much this right here. The primary leaders of the GOP have never punched back like Trump. They just the left tell lies and misrepresent stories on the path to the high road. That thread I posted is pretty specific to what I'm talking about and, I'll be honest, it's kind of odd you equate that to a pity party. It's a relative comment. I believe most people who aren't dead dog Dems don't find Warren, Hillary or Harris very likable or believable. Their histories are filled with disingenuous words and actions. Hillary = Corrupt. Warren = Fake. Harris = Corrupt AND Fake. Michelle has virtually always come across as above everything. Protective of her husband, yes, but she, personally, doesn't carry much baggage to the average voter other than being Barack's wife, and if you listen and watch her, you realize she's not Barack's wife. He's Michelle's husband. Assuming that makes sense. What i mean by pity party is people excusing racist tweets, or when he lies, or any other action that most people find offensive with the.."well the Dems have been mean to us in the past, woe is me, therefore everything he does is a okay casue i agree with his policies". I don't agree with that...i think it is rationalizing bad behavior. I just dont understand why you can't be a Trump supporter, and an avid one at that, and not criticize some of his actions . I know you have in this very thread, but most do not. And i dont mean "thet will hurt Trump..or he stepped in it today, or thats Trump being Trump " I mean " this is just flat out wrong and he was wrong to do it/say it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 44 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: No, I do not link everyone who disagrees with President Trump all together. I do not agree with everything he says or does. I label people who knee-jerk react to something he does, simply because Trump does it, as #OrangeManBad people. When those three tweets came out, I thought nothing of them... I read them, processed what was actually said, and watched the screaming begin. Over the course of the next four days it was pretty clear for all to see how politically brilliant those three tweets were. Democrats have (begrudgingly) admitted it was a political masterpiece in just a few words. Yes, there was pearl-clutching among "conservatives" simply because "that's not who we are" and because President Trump said (wrote) it. There was nothing racist or vile about those tweets. Nothing. Yet people went running around screaming with their hair on fire because they were from President Trump. And that is why people get labeled #OrangeManBad or #NeverTrump-ers... because the reaction is negative to nearly everything he does, simply because he is the one doing it. It is truly remarkable. we will disagree about the nature of the tweets, neither one of us will change each others mind. All i will say is I have not seen him tweet at Pelosi to go back to where she came from, i have not seen him tweet at Newsom to go back where he came from, or really any white politician who opposes him to go back where they came from. Not quite sure then why he is backing away from the chants then, and why he disagreed with them if the chants were not racist? What if i said Trump should go home to the fatherland as he and his ideology took hold there before, maybe it will again.I mean after all his dad was born in Germany right? Of course that's a ridiculous statement, as was his. And in terms of a political masterpiece, maybe it was. But if posting/promoting racial divides in this country are worth the win to the republicans, God bless. They sure are not to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: we will disagree about the nature of the tweets, neither one of us will change each others mind. All i will say is I have not seen him tweet at Pelosi to go back to where she came from, i have not seen him tweet at Newsom to go back where he came from, or really any white politician who opposes him to go back where they came from. Not quite sure then why he is backing away from the chants then, and why he disagreed with them if the chants were not racist? What if i said Trump should go home to the fatherland as he and his ideology took hold there before, maybe it will again.I mean after all his dad was born in Germany right? Of course that's a ridiculous statement, as was his. And in terms of a political masterpiece, maybe it was. But if posting/promoting racial divides in this country are worth the win to the republicans, God bless. They sure are not to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: dont leave it at that..tell where i be wrong? Thats what this place is for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: dont leave it at that..tell where i be wrong? Thats what this place is for When a discussion begins and ends with "racist", it ain't much of a discussion. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: What i mean by pity party is people excusing racist tweets, or when he lies, or any other action that most people find offensive with the.."well the Dems have been mean to us in the past, woe is me, therefore everything he does is a okay casue i agree with his policies". I don't agree with that...i think it is rationalizing bad behavior. I just dont understand why you can't be a Trump supporter, and an avid one at that, and not criticize some of his actions . I know you have in this very thread, but most do not. And i dont mean "thet will hurt Trump..or he stepped in it today, or thats Trump being Trump " I mean " this is just flat out wrong and he was wrong to do it/say it" Haven't seen a racist tweet or comment or action by Trump since he became President. He's attacked people on their character or their positions on issues or their decisions. Much of it the targets readily deserve. It's just that those who view his every word through the prsim of race see it that way, or they simply play the race card because they can't or choose not to address the underlying issue. AOC is a naive fool with crazy policy positions who is pumped up by the media because she sells. Some like to look at her, some like her attacks on Trump, some can't stand her and can't wait to hear what she says next and some are like minded. She's got something for everyone, entertainment-wise. The left and the media are using the same playbook on Trump that they used on the TEA Party. The TEA Party was founded on some very sound fiscal principles and gained a lot of steam in a short time. The left and the media had to destroy the brand it was creating for political survival. Same thing with MAGA. That was/is a very effective campaign message particularly on the heels of Obama's "fundemental transformation" and his dismal record. The left and supportive media immediately pounced and branded it racist while the underlying concept was quite appealing. Like any good movement, there are always some bad apples that find there way in. Bad lefty apples are often ignored (Antifa, among others) while bad righty apples (actual racists) are used to destroy entire groups. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: When a discussion begins and ends with "racist", it ain't much of a discussion. Lets clarify..this whole discussion the past five days has been on race, were his tweets racist, and the way different people interpret the meaning and the impacts on both sides of the argument. To then say damn, you are talking racism, I don not think is a fair criticism..it is what has been discussed for the last 500 posts! I have not called Trump racist, i said his tweet was racist. If i am to take you at face value that it was all done for political gain, both those things can be true. More importantly, I have not ever called anyone on this thread or any Trump supporter racist just because they are Pro Trump or whatever you want to call it. However, you have labeled me in this thread now 3 different ways 1) #orangmenbad 2) Liberal 3) #nevertrump Lets argue the points, and have disagreements..but in a thread that has been discussing racism , yes i am going to talk about it. 13 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: Haven't seen a racist tweet or comment or action by Trump since he became President. He's attacked people on their character or their positions on issues or their decisions. Much of it the targets readily deserve. It's just that those who view his every word through the prsim of race see it that way, or they simply play the race card because they can't or choose not to address the underlying issue. AOC is a naive fool with crazy policy positions who is pumped up by the media because she sells. Some like to look at her, some like her attacks on Trump, some can't stand her and can't wait to hear what she says next and some are like minded. She's got something for everyone, entertainment-wise. If you have read the majority of my pots on this sub forum, I could not agree more with you. Same with Warren, same with Sanders, same with Harris, same with the "squad" ..attack like hell on their positions, point out how dumb their ideas are, challenge them to debates, make them shoe detailed plans...don't tell 4 brown opponents to go back where they came from. Edited July 19, 2019 by plenzmd1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 24 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: we will disagree about the nature of the tweets, neither one of us will change each others mind. All i will say is I have not seen him tweet at Pelosi to go back to where she came from, i have not seen him tweet at Newsom to go back where he came from, or really any white politician who opposes him to go back where they came from. Not quite sure then why he is backing away from the chants then, and why he disagreed with them if the chants were not racist? What if i said Trump should go home to the fatherland as he and his ideology took hold there before, maybe it will again.I mean after all his dad was born in Germany right? Of course that's a ridiculous statement, as was his. And in terms of a political masterpiece, maybe it was. But if posting/promoting racial divides in this country are worth the win to the republicans, God bless. They sure are not to me. Promoting racial divides?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Lets clarify..this whole discussion the past five days has been on race, were his tweets racist, and the way different people interpret the meaning and the impacts on both sides of the argument. To then say damn, you are talking I don not htink is a fiar critism..it is what has been discussed for the last 500 posts! I have not called Trump racist, i said his tweet was racist. If i am to take you at face value that it was all done for political gain, both those things can be true. More importantly, I have not ever called anyone on this thread or any Trump supporter racist just because they are Pro Trump or whatever you want to call it. However, you have labeled me in this thread now 3 different ways 1) #orangmenbad 2) Liberal 3) #nevertrump Lets argue the points, and have disagreemns..but in a thread that has been discussing racism , yes i am going to talk about it. I think you are a liberal in part (so am I). You definitely have something personal against President Trump. That is fine, but it leads to a real blind spot in assessing his policy, personality, and political moves. When you stop reacting to what he does, simply because he does it, then you will not longer be part of the #OrangeManBad-brigade. ?♀️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: Promoting racial divides?? yes, i do believe Trump thinks there is political gain to be had by an us/them narrative. I am not saying his policies have been, but his rhetoric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: yes, i do believe Trump thinks there is political gain to be had by an us/them narrative. I am not saying his policies have been, but his rhetoric Go on............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I think you are a liberal in part (so am I). You definitely have something personal against President Trump. That is fine, but it leads to a real blind spot in assessing his policy, personality, and political moves. When you stop reacting to what he does, simply because he does it, then you will not longer be part of the #OrangeManBad-brigade. ?♀️ by personal if you mean I think he is not a person that should lead the US..absolutely. But you point out to me where I rail against a policy just because its a Trump policy? I think you will be searching a long time. What I will not do is not criticize bad, often awful behavior, strictly because i agree with much of his policies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Whatnot78 said: an hour ago you lumped all "religious folks as the most hypocritical folks in the land" No, no he didn't. He called them hypacritical. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 3 hours ago, BeginnersMind said: If you criticize Trump here, you’re assumed to be a wild-eyed liberal. Or you are assumed to be the exact same poster as everyone else who criticizes him - because of course no more than one person would ever actually criticize #orangemanbad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Go on............. Is this very discussion not proof? Some really smart people here have said this whole tweet thing was politically motivated. If so, Trump views iy as advantage to the nation to be totally divided on its meaning/message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Whatnot78 said: an hour ago you lumped all "religious folks as the most hypocritical folks in the land" sorry did not see this, and you are correct that was an over generalization. What I meant there was i am continually astounded at the support Trump has from Evangelicals and those who preach family values, and yet endorse a guy who was displayed anything but family values. And just to clear, i see nothing wrong with Trump banging a porn star or bedding as many women as he has( as long as none were sexual assault)..my only problem is he was married while doing it. And lord knows i am not saying politicians, or for that matter, anyone , outside of Trump do not stray..just that i am surprised the far right family values crowd continue to have his back. Edited July 19, 2019 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: sorry did not see this, and you are correct that was an over generalization. What I meant there was i am continually astounded at the support Trump has from Evangelicals, and yet endorse a guy who was displayed anything but family values. And just to clear, i see nothing wrong with Trump banging a porn star or bedding as many women as he has( as long as none were sexual assault)..my only problem is he was married while doing it. And lord knows i am not saying politicians, or for that matter, anyone outside of Trump do not stray..just that i am surprised the far right family values crowd continue to have his back. Don't forget he's divorced too! TWICE!!! Simply scandalous! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 RHETORIC IS ONLY DANGEROUS WHEN IT COMES FROM THE RIGHT, BECAUSE THE LEFT IS AFRAID IT WILL INSPIRE PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT TO ACT LIKE LEFTISTS DO: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 Reminder (not a new article) https://www.foxnews.com/politics/the-tech-millionaire-behind-the-socialist-chief-of-staff-who-boosted-ocasio-cortez-to-power-made-riches-in-silicon-valley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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