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3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Bills 30- Alabama 10 has been my prediction. I don’t think it’s crazy at all. Vegas says 28.5. I think it’s closer to 20. 

 

We put up 27 on the Vikings. I mean if you're saying we would stop trying after a half, sure. Maybe that's what the Vegas oddsmaker was thinking when he set that line. I was always assuming the question was how much could we win by, and the correct answer is at least 50. We made Kirk Cousins fumble twice. The first person Jerry Hughes knocks down would drop the ball and exit the game.

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2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

We put up 27 on the Vikings. I mean if you're saying we would stop trying after a half, sure. Maybe that's what the Vegas oddsmaker was thinking when he set that line. I was always assuming the question was how much could we win by, and the correct answer is at least 50. We made Kirk Cousins fumble twice. The first person Jerry Hughes knocks down would drop the ball and exit the game.

Yep. It’s men vs boys. Alabama would have no answer for Hughes. Hell, Shaq Lawson would get a couple whacks on the QB. Our OL would keep clean pockets all day, and we’d get 8 yards a carry.

 

The more I think about this, the more I would want it to happen for the Bills confidence boost. 

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1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said:

Yeah that's absurd.  You're basically arguing that Alabama has an offense that could be better than the Vikings this season.  

They just shut out ranked teams in back to back weeks. I don’t know what people are seeing that leads them to believe that the Bills will march up and down the field? The Bills have 3 guys on offense that will be starting in the NFL next year (Dawkins, McCoy and Allen). There are at least that many on the Alabama defense (Williams, Thompson, Davis). 

 

The Bills defense would give Alabama fits. I don’t think it’s absurd to think that they score once on offense and convert a turnover into a FG. That means the Bills need to produce 39 points to cover. That doesn’t seem likely to me. 

 

Again, I didn’t make this spread!! This is a professional oddsmaker. 

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

We put up 27 on the Vikings. I mean if you're saying we would stop trying after a half, sure. Maybe that's what the Vegas oddsmaker was thinking when he set that line. I was always assuming the question was how much could we win by, and the correct answer is at least 50. We made Kirk Cousins fumble twice. The first person Jerry Hughes knocks down would drop the ball and exit the game.

We also put up 3 against Baltimore, zero against GB, 5 against the Colts, 6 against the Pats, and 9 against the Bears. I’m not sure pointing to the 1 effective half of football that the offense has played is an accurate depiction. That is the outlier not the norm.

 

We average 10.7 points per game!! The next lowest team in the league is at 13.8. The 30th ranked team is at 16.8. The gap from the Bills to 30th is greater than the gap from 30th to 13th!! 

1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said:

Yep. It’s men vs boys. Alabama would have no answer for Hughes. Hell, Shaq Lawson would get a couple whacks on the QB. Our OL would keep clean pockets all day, and we’d get 8 yards a carry.

 

The more I think about this, the more I would want it to happen for the Bills confidence boost. 

So the interior of our OL would push around 2 guys that will be 1st round picks? Two guys that will be starting in the NFL in 10 months are going to get dominated by Bodine, Vlad and Miller? The Bills defense would give Alabama hell. The Bills offense would have their best performance of the year but they aren’t dominating. 

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6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The Bills defense would give Alabama fits. I don’t think it’s absurd to think that they score once on offense and convert a turnover into a FG. 

 

Could they even get a FG off? Are their special teams blockers ready to be bull rushed by NFL players?

 

8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We also put up 3 against Baltimore, zero against GB, 5 against the Colts, 6 against the Pats, and 9 against the Bears. I’m not sure pointing to the 1 effective half of football that the offense has played is an accurate depiction. That is the outline not the norm.

 

You're right that's an outlier but that's what we are capable of as an NFL offense. Kelvin Benjamin was dominant at FSU. He hasn't gotten worse, he just plays against NFL talent now. You're going to send him out against a college defense that has no NFL conditioning. Chris Ivory is going to run at them over and over and over. You don't think they'll be dead tired by the end of the first drive?

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1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Could they even get a FG off? Are their special teams blockers ready to be bull rushed by NFL players?

 

 

You're right that's an outlier but that's what we are capable of as an NFL offense. Kelvin Benjamin was dominant at FSU. He hasn't gotten worse, he just plays against NFL talent now. You're going to send him out against a college defense that has no NFL conditioning. Chris Ivory is going to run at them over and over and over. You don't think they'll be dead tired by the end of the first drive?

No offense, but that’s absurd. That doesn’t strengthen your argument. Their blockers are the same size as the guys we have. They start 301, 350, 303, 314 and 314. We start 317, 325, 310, 303, and 316. The best OL of all of those 10 is Jonah Williams at 301. 

 

He he has gotten worse!! He was better 4 months out of college than he is right now. He caught a bunch of TDs one year but that’s all that he did in college. His rookie year in the NFL was similar to his last year at FSU. 

 

I dont believe that they would run over Alabama. This interior of the Bills OL isn’t manhandling 1st round DLs. Honestly there are 2 guys on Alabama’s OL that would start on our OL tomorrow (Williams and Pierschbacher). 

 

They score some points. I have them scoring 30!! That’s a lot for this talent. This Bills offense is horrendous. 

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59 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They just shut out ranked teams in back to back weeks. I don’t know what people are seeing that leads them to believe that the Bills will march up and down the field? The Bills have 3 guys on offense that will be starting in the NFL next year (Dawkins, McCoy and Allen). There are at least that many on the Alabama defense (Williams, Thompson, Davis). 

 

The Bills defense would give Alabama fits. I don’t think it’s absurd to think that they score once on offense and convert a turnover into a FG. That means the Bills need to produce 39 points to cover. That doesn’t seem likely to me. 

 

Again, I didn’t make this spread!! This is a professional oddsmaker. 

We also put up 3 against Baltimore, zero against GB, 5 against the Colts, 6 against the Pats, and 9 against the Bears. I’m not sure pointing to the 1 effective half of football that the offense has played is an accurate depiction. That is the outline not the norm.

 

We average 10.7 points per game!! The next lowest team in the league is at 13.8. The 30th ranked team is at 16.8. The gap from the Bills to 30th is greater than the gap from 30th to 13th!! 

So the interior of our OL would push around 2 guys that will be 1st round picks? Two guys that will be starting in the NFL in 10 months are going to get dominated by Bodine, Vlad and Miller? The Bills defense would give Alabama hell. The Bills offense would have their best performance of the year but they aren’t dominating. 

OMG they shut out other college teams.  Hold the phone!

 

I don't care that Alabama has "prospects" who will be starters next year.  Are we living in a bizarro world where every Bama prospect is good from the jump in the NFL?  Reggie Ragland and Cyrus Kujo ring any bells?  What about Greg Robinson, a first rounder who gave Bama fits at Auburn? Or Chance Warmack of 3 team backup G fame?  "They were first and second round picks!!!! That makes them good!!!!"

 

This is a line by a professional oddsmaker who should get his head checked.  

 

We would obliterate Alabama.  This is a joke.  No 18 year old OL is stopping our DL on any play.  Tua would have a second.  Nathan Peterman embarrassed Clemson's D which went toe to toe with Bama.  And we all know how many "talented prospects" Pitt has every year.

 

Stop fooling yourself.  Just because they play for Bama doesn't make them all Aaron Donalds.

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51 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

OMG they shut out other college teams.  Hold the phone!

 

I don't care that Alabama has "prospects" who will be starters next year.  Are we living in a bizarro world where every Bama prospect is good from the jump in the NFL?  Reggie Ragland and Cyrus Kujo ring any bells?  What about Greg Robinson, a first rounder who gave Bama fits at Auburn? Or Chance Warmack of 3 team backup G fame?  "They were first and second round picks!!!! That makes them good!!!!"

 

This is a line by a professional oddsmaker who should get his head checked.  

 

We would obliterate Alabama.  This is a joke.  No 18 year old OL is stopping our DL on any play.  Tua would have a second.  Nathan Peterman embarrassed Clemson's D which went toe to toe with Bama.  And we all know how many "talented prospects" Pitt has every year.

 

Stop fooling yourself.  Just because they play for Bama doesn't make them all Aaron Donalds.

What did you want them to do hold them to negative points? 

 

This is the bizarro world. The folks at TBD have a better pulse on the point spread than the guy who does it for Westgate Las Vegas?!? 

 

I’m not even sure why people are offended by this? The reality is the Bills offense isn’t moving the ball on bad defenses (Colts, Packers). Why is it reasonable to think that they score 10 points a quarter against a team littered with future pros? 

 

The Bills wouldn’t always beat the best college teams by 28.5 (or 20 as I think). THIS particular Bills team and THIS particular Alabama team are what we are discussing. This isn’t a conversation about “generic bad NFL team” vs. “generic good college team.” This is a very, very specific circumstance.

 

FWIW, I think that last year’s Bills team beats last year’s Alabama team by 50. Our offense was better and their’s was worse (especially playing Hurts). 

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The game against MSU proved that Bama will get killed by an NFL team. We are talking 40+ loss. Just silly to talk otherwise. Bama would get hurt and run out of quarterbacks and running backs and receivers. The oline would open holes that  McCoy wouldn’t have to stop and start to find. Nonsense fellas pure nonsense. I like CFB more than NFL and think the SEC is some of the most competitive football their is to watch. No way Bama plays with any NFL team. 40+ loss. Bama will lose this year. 

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On 11/8/2018 at 2:25 PM, ProcessAccepted said:

After we are done discussing this I'd love to hear people's thoughts on who people think would win between King Kong and Godzilla in ping pong.

Will Godzilla be able to use his tail.

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17 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

What did you want them to do hold them to negative points? 

 

This is the bizarro world. The folks at TBD have a better pulse on the point spread than the guy who does it for Westgate Las Vegas?!? 

 

I’m not even sure why people are offended by this? The reality is the Bills offense isn’t moving the ball on bad defenses (Colts, Packers). Why is it reasonable to think that they score 10 points a quarter against a team littered with future pros? 

 

The Bills wouldn’t always beat the best college teams by 28.5 (or 20 as I think). THIS particular Bills team and THIS particular Alabama team are what we are discussing. This isn’t a conversation about “generic bad NFL team” vs. “generic good college team.” This is a very, very specific circumstance.

 

FWIW, I think that last year’s Bills team beats last year’s Alabama team by 50. Our offense was better and their’s was worse (especially playing Hurts). 

tHe BiLlS oFfEnSe CaN’t MoVe ThE bAlL oN bAd TeAmS

 

Jets wouldn’t cover but Bama would. LOL

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15 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

tHe BiLlS oFfEnSe CaN’t MoVe ThE bAlL oN bAd TeAmS

 

Jets wouldn’t cover but Bama would. LOL

Again, that is the Westgate Las Vegas line!! I don’t know why you are mad at me. I still don’t think that the Bills cover 28.5. If you noticed though, I predicted the Bills to win today by multiple scores. Right again!!

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19 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They just shut out ranked teams in back to back weeks. I don’t know what people are seeing that leads them to believe that the Bills will march up and down the field? The Bills have 3 guys on offense that will be starting in the NFL next year (Dawkins, McCoy and Allen). There are at least that many on the Alabama defense (Williams, Thompson, Davis). 

 

The Bills defense would give Alabama fits. I don’t think it’s absurd to think that they score once on offense and convert a turnover into a FG. That means the Bills need to produce 39 points to cover. That doesn’t seem likely to me. 

 

Again, I didn’t make this spread!! This is a professional oddsmaker. 

We also put up 3 against Baltimore, zero against GB, 5 against the Colts, 6 against the Pats, and 9 against the Bears. I’m not sure pointing to the 1 effective half of football that the offense has played is an accurate depiction. That is the outlier not the norm.

 

We average 10.7 points per game!! The next lowest team in the league is at 13.8. The 30th ranked team is at 16.8. The gap from the Bills to 30th is greater than the gap from 30th to 13th!! 

So the interior of our OL would push around 2 guys that will be 1st round picks? Two guys that will be starting in the NFL in 10 months are going to get dominated by Bodine, Vlad and Miller? The Bills defense would give Alabama hell. The Bills offense would have their best performance of the year but they aren’t dominating. 

They just beat the Jets by 31.  Our Oline looked like they could do it today and after those guys are in the league a year or two they may be something.  The NFL is not college.

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17 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

They just beat the Jets by 31.  Our Oline looked like they could do it today and after those guys are in the league a year or two they may be something.  The NFL is not college.

Our OL took a massive step forward today. They started a 5th round pick 6 months out of college. 

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5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Our OL took a massive step forward today. They started a 5th round pick 6 months out of college. 

 

Yep and that 6 months of experience and NFL conditioning was invaluable. Now take 5 guys, even really good NFL prospects, with zero NFL conditioning and put them next to each other tomorrow. They would be erased by any NFL defensive line.

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3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yep and that 6 months of experience and NFL conditioning was invaluable. Now take 5 guys, even really good NFL prospects, with zero NFL conditioning and put them next to each other tomorrow. They would be erased by any NFL defensive line.

If you think that the last 5 months have completely transformed him, we don’t agree. I don’t even believe that the Bills conditioning program is better than. Alabama’s. 

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Yeah, just spoke to former NFL player he shook his head, saying that the difference between the worst NFL team and the best college team is still a lot. He said the main difference was that he could run around or push around guys at the college level (major program) but in the NFL everyone is too fast and too strong. You have to execute to do well.

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3 minutes ago, flmike said:

Yeah, just spoke to former NFL player he shook his head, saying that the difference between the worst NFL team and the best college team is still a lot. He said the main difference was that he could run around or push around guys at the college level (major program) but in the NFL everyone is too fast and too strong. You have to execute to do well.

Yeah I can see it on TV lol. CFB looks like NFL underwater most of the time.

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6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If you think that the last 5 months have completely transformed him, we don’t agree. I don’t even believe that the Bills conditioning program is better than. Alabama’s. 

 

I'm beginning to think we may just never agree on this topic ;)

 

Yes I believe 6 months of practicing against other NFL players day in and day out have prepared him better than a bunch of guys playing against other college players all year long. And he wasn't elite today, he made plenty of rookie mistakes. He also had 4 other NFL players next to him. They are not even comparable situations to what the Alabama o-line has been doing.

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17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Our OL took a massive step forward today. They started a 5th round pick 6 months out of college. 

I'll give you that.  

I think the thing that really needs to be said is that Bama has players that will never play in the NFL playing for them while Buf well they are all in the NFL.  Not the best in collegebut the best in the world. what is that top 2500 I think.

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Just now, mannc said:

Is this a good time to mention that the Bills’ leading receiver today was a backup for Alabama last year?

 

Sure, with the caveat that he was bad enough to get sent to the practice squad. After a few months there he is looking competent. A lot of rookie WRs take a few months or a year to develop into starting caliber players. So you're going to take 3 college receivers with no NFL conditioning and start them tomorrow against NFL defenders. They will be obliterated. Along with everyone else playing for Alabama.

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2 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

I'll give you that.  

I think the thing that really needs to be said is that Bama has players that will never play in the NFL playing for them while Buf well they are all in the NFL.  Not the best in collegebut the best in the world. what is that top 2500 I think.

Then how do you explain the fact that the Bills’ leading receiver today was a backup for Alabama 12 months ago?

 

Every starter on Alabama’s team will have a chance to play in the NFL, although of course not all will make it. The point is, the talent level is very high.  

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Sure, with the caveat that he was bad enough to get sent to the practice squad. After a few months there he is looking competent. A lot of rookie WRs take a few months or a year to develop into starting caliber players. So you're going to take 3 college receivers with no NFL conditioning and start them tomorrow against NFL defenders. They will be obliterated. Along with everyone else playing for Alabama.

I would absolutely take Alabama’s receiving corps this year over the Bills’. And if you think Alabama’s D-line would get obliterated by the Bills’ o-line, despite today’s performance, then we’ll just have to disagree.  

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11 minutes ago, mannc said:

Then how do you explain the fact that the Bills’ leading receiver today was a backup for Alabama 12 months ago?

 

Every starter on Alabama’s team will have a chance to play in the NFL, although of course not all will make it. The point is, the talent level is very high.  

I would absolutely take Alabama’s receiving corps this year over the Bills’. And if you think Alabama’s D-line would get obliterated by the Bills’ o-line, despite today’s performance, then we’ll just have to disagree.  

Oh my god. Robert Foster had a better day than Calvin Ridley today. He should have been taken in the first round. #Bamaboys 

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On 11/8/2018 at 2:04 PM, rodneykm said:

The Bills. Even with Peterman at QB.

 

I really hate this argument though. You are comparing the best of the best college players vs a college team with some NFL caliber talent on it. 

 

It would be a bloodbath. Alabama would get destroyed. 

I don’t even understand the premise. They are assuming the Bills 4th string qb is starting? Alrighty. 

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1 hour ago, mannc said:

Then how do you explain the fact that the Bills’ leading receiver today was a backup for Alabama 12 months ago?

 

Every starter on Alabama’s team will have a chance to play in the NFL, although of course not all will make it. The point is, the talent level is very high.  

I would absolutely take Alabama’s receiving corps this year over the Bills’. And if you think Alabama’s D-line would get obliterated by the Bills’ o-line, despite today’s performance, then we’ll just have to disagree.  

Yup last year they definitely had a better reciever than anyone we have.  Im talking about 46 players.

But like I said all you can do is speculate.  You tell an NFL player whos played at both levels that and see what they say.

The speed of the game and talent level is much higher.  You have to realize Bama is the best college team but you see them play college teams that arnt what they are.  You see them beat up on lesser talent.  Buffalo just anihilated another team that would destroy Bama. 

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1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Sure, with the caveat that he was bad enough to get sent to the practice squad. After a few months there he is looking competent. A lot of rookie WRs take a few months or a year to develop into starting caliber players. So you're going to take 3 college receivers with no NFL conditioning and start them tomorrow against NFL defenders. They will be obliterated. Along with everyone else playing for Alabama.

 

You really think he’s suddenly a different player a month later?

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25 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Yup last year they definitely had a better reciever than anyone we have.  Im talking about 46 players.

But like I said all you can do is speculate.  You tell an NFL player whos played at both levels that and see what they say.

The speed of the game and talent level is much higher.  You have to realize Bama is the best college team but you see them play college teams that arnt what they are.  You see them beat up on lesser talent.  Buffalo just anihilated another team that would destroy Bama. 

It’s true, all either of us can do is speculate.  

 

What we pretty much know is that Alabama has four or five starters who will be taken in the first round of the 2019 NFL draft, another 8 or 9 guys who will be drafted later, and 4 or 5 others (like Levi Wallace and Robert Foster) who won’t get drafted but will get a shot as a UFA.  (The Tide had 12 players drafted last year, and this year’s team is even better.)

 

So that’s about 14 to 17 players on this year’s team who will probably be on an NFL roster next year. And that’s just the guys who declare for the 2019 draft; It doesn’t even include the sophomores or juniors on the team who are going to return to school.  So the notion that a team like Alabama has a lot of guys starting who won’t ever get a sniff of the NFL is complete nonsense.  There is no massive talent disparity between the Bills and the Tide.

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25 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

I supposed it's more likely he's an All-Pro #1 WR that went undrafted because Alabama is just that deep.

The reality is he’s pretty much the same guy. He’s a guy that they probably should have used to stretch the field all year. He was a 5 star recruit so he wasn’t some unknown. Foster is the same guy that he’s been for years. He’s a big play threat that struggles to track the ball. The month on the PS didn’t change him. The opportunity changed him.

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23 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

 

Again, I didn’t make this spread!! This is a professional oddsmaker. 

 

I know the 28.5 point spread came from a professional bookmaker, but since this hypothetical game will never be played, the bookmaker doesn't have anything to lose if he badly miscalculates.  

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1 hour ago, mannc said:

It’s true, all either of us can do is speculate.  

 

What we pretty much know is that Alabama has four or five starters who will be taken in the first round of the 2019 NFL draft, another 8 or 9 guys who will be drafted later, and 4 or 5 others (like Levi Wallace and Robert Foster) who won’t get drafted but will get a shot as a UFA.  (The Tide had 12 players drafted last year, and this year’s team is even better.)

 

So that’s about 14 to 17 players on this year’s team who will probably be on an NFL roster next year. And that’s just the guys who declare for the 2019 draft; It doesn’t even include the sophomores or juniors on the team who are going to return to school.  So the notion that a team like Alabama has a lot of guys starting who won’t ever get a sniff of the NFL is complete nonsense.  There is no massive talent disparity between the Bills and the Tide.

lol experience at the NFL level + talent.

Now the #1 Defense in the NFL against a college team.  How many hall of fame worthy platers are on Alabama.

I guess Crack is still the drug of choice in western New York.

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1 hour ago, mannc said:

It’s true, all either of us can do is speculate.  

 

What we pretty much know is that Alabama has four or five starters who will be taken in the first round of the 2019 NFL draft, another 8 or 9 guys who will be drafted later, and 4 or 5 others (like Levi Wallace and Robert Foster) who won’t get drafted but will get a shot as a UFA.  (The Tide had 12 players drafted last year, and this year’s team is even better.)

 

So that’s about 14 to 17 players on this year’s team who will probably be on an NFL roster next year. And that’s just the guys who declare for the 2019 draft; It doesn’t even include the sophomores or juniors on the team who are going to return to school.  So the notion that a team like Alabama has a lot of guys starting who won’t ever get a sniff of the NFL is complete nonsense.  There is no massive talent disparity between the Bills and the Tide.

 

Just because guys get drafted doesnt mean they are ready to play in the NFL right away. Takes more than just talent to be successful in the NFL. Alabama plays against teams that only have a couple guys that will make it to the NFL. Sometimes they play teams where no players will make the NFL. That all changes playing an NFL team. Just the schemes alone would confuse Alabama to the point they couldnt do much. Any NFL team would beat Bama by 40.  

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2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Whenever someone’s entire argument is “college is no the NFL”...

 

zero point zero

 

 

Whenever anyone is too lazy to check their response's spelling

 

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NO college team can beat a Pro team............................

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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