Roundybout Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, eee1776 said: This one is easy. Bean, who put this mess together. LEaving us with a gaping hole going into the offseason, abandoning the plan that they had in place and setting us adrift. Again. Awesome idea!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) The Browns scored 2 touchdowns today without an offensive coordinator! FIRE. BRIAN. DABOLL. Edited November 4, 2018 by #34fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 28 minutes ago, billspro said: Worst team I have seen since being a fan in 2004 rookie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, Fadingpain said: This is the key. Stability/consistency is only helpful if the people you keep in place are competent. If they aren't, you end up with the Marvin Lewis Effect in Cincinnati, and no one wants that. Especially with the way the game is played. All of the best teams are run by innovative offensive minds. Defensive coaches are lucky to go 9-7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: "Proven" in a season and a half? Christ. Our 2017 offense was awful relative to the rest of the league. Rick Denisson was a terrible hire, and he was fired at the end of the year. The 2018 offense is currently the worst the NFL has seen in at least 20 years. Brian Dabol was hired by McDermott to fix things, and things went from bad to absolutely horrendous. Why would anyone think that McDermott is going to find a better coordinator and give that guy the necessary tools to succeed? We're nowhere close to even being competent on the offensive side of the ball. On McDermott's watch we have the worst offense in modern football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: If they were really going to go with a scapegoat firing, Daboll would be the obvious choice. Wouldn't he? Sure. We could fire both because Beane's an extraordinary tanker. That's literally all I know about his abilities at GM so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, billspro said: I agree, I don’t want Allen back out there. They will ruin him by playing him with this roster. I am usually of the mindset of having a rookie QB learn by throwing him in there, but this is a special case. There is nothing to learn by playing with these guys. That genie is out of the bottle! They have to play Allen as soon as he is ready. The worry is injury. No worries whatsoever about losing his confidence. I think anyone who is watched him play so far this year would recognize that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Nervous Guy said: rookie Right? 2004 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphappy Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 This is kind of what we wanted...isn't it? A complete tear down from top to bottom? Clean out the front office. Rebuild the roster. And start over. Well this is the short term result I would think. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: Our 2017 offense was awful relative to the rest of the league. Rick Denisson was a terrible hire, and he was fired at the end of the year. The 2018 offense is currently the worst the NFL has seen in at least 20 years. Brian Dabol was hired by McDermott to fix things, and things went from bad to absolutely horrendous. Why would anyone think that McDermott is going to find a better coordinator and give that guy the necessary tools to succeed? We're nowhere close to even being competent on the offensive side of the ball. On McDermott's watch we have the worst offense in modern football. Dennison just was bad. Daboll has nothing to work with. Fire him or not, we need high draft picks on offensive talent. Just now, slaphappy said: This is kind of what we wanted...isn't it? A complete tear down from top to bottom? Clean out the front office. Rebuild the roster. And start over. Well this is the short term result I would think. No cuz playoffs last year meant we were just a player away from multiple super bowls. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Sure. We could fire both because Beane's an extraordinary tanker. That's literally all I know about his abilities at GM so far. I would be okay with keeping Beane, he has drafted well. McD has to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Apparently being a historically bad team on offense is part of the process in building a championship level team ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: This is the key. Stability/consistency is only helpful if the people you keep in place are competent. If they aren't, you end up with the Marvin Lewis Effect in Cincinnati, and no one wants that. Cincinnati's success in Lewis's tenure would be an upgrade..... 5 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said: It may if we shore up the offensive line. Get better receivers and drop Peterman. Keep in mind that this management team had severe financial restrictions placed on them, so they were limited on who they could sign. They placed those financial restrictions on themselves........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, apuszczalowski said: Cincinnati's success in Lewis's tenure would be an upgrade..... Lewis wouldn't have made it past 3 years in Buffalo, where the terminally short-sighted fan is king. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 27 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: Don’t buy tickets next year That conversation about taxpayer money going toward a new stadium should go well right now. If this is how it's going to be and they think this is going well they can go be a jobber franchise somewhere else and steal that community's money for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, vorpma said: I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW!!!!! Grow up son! Opportunity cost. Maybe us 2 year olds don't want a shiny toy, we want the toy that's better than out present toy so we are happier rather than keeping a bad toy during our childhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: I rephrased your sentence to be more appropriate because you made an analogy that we want a new toy, and I think a 2 year old analogy is more fitting to having methhead parents ruining your favor toy. I'll explain what this means if you think it's more word salad. I'll try my best to get you to understand wit. My analogy was not that you want a new toy - it was that you are like a two year old child who throws a tantrum, lashing out at everyone and everything, because you aren't getting what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, slaphappy said: This is kind of what we wanted...isn't it? A complete tear down from top to bottom? Clean out the front office. Rebuild the roster. And start over. Well this is the short term result I would think. Sure. But Beane is so good at tanking it's hard to see where his other talent lies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Dennison just was bad. Daboll has nothing to work with. Fire him or not, we need high draft picks on offensive talent. The point is that McDermott and Beane are in charge of this debacle. Their roster moves, draft picks, and wasted free agent signings are all the things that cooked up this disaster. Having watched the last 26 games with McDermott as HC, I just don't get how anyone can think that this guy and his approach to limiting turnovers and winning one on battles is going to result in us fielding a quality modern NFL offense. We're trying to win games 14-13 while the top teams in the league are trying to outscore their opponents in 40-35 type games. I'm watching the Saints-Rams right now and these teams are just going up and down the field. It's the beginning of the 2nd quarter and it's already 14-14. We are so far away from competing with these type of teams is unbelievable. McDermott's offenses can't score! He coaches like it's 1985 not 2018 where offense and scoring points is what wins games. Edited November 4, 2018 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: Apparently being a historically bad team on offense is part of the process in building a championship level team ?♂️ It's clearly a "digestive" process that produces a nice chunky turd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Next person to start a “someone should be fired thread” should be banned til end of season. There’s like 5000 of them, pick one and b*tch there. 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Lewis wouldn't have made it past 3 years in Buffalo, where the terminally short-sighted fan is king. Direct me to the coach that the Bills fired too soon who went on to great success elsewhere? They keep hiring turds and that the fans can identify them as turds faster than administration can should be concerning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 32 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Because it is always a good idea to fire everyone every 1.5 years.... It is a good idea when the person is terrible at the job. It is a GREAT idea when that person is constantly talking about "field position" and "establishing the line of scrimmage" and "the weather" after getting blown out regularly while fielding an offense that is securing a place in history as the worst ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, jrober38 said: The problem isn't firing the coach every 3 years, it's constantly hiring the wrong coaches. McDermott has proven to be completely incompetent as a head coach on the offensive side of the ball. That's not going to miraculously change next year... Getting rid of another OC would just do wonders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Next person to start a “someone should be fired thread” should be banned til end of season. There’s like 5000 of them, pick one and b*tch there. Amen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: The point is that McDermott and Beane are in charge of this debacle. Their roster moves, draft picks, and wasted free agent signings are all the things that cooked up this disaster. Having watched the last 26 games with McDermott as HC, I just don't get how anyone can think that this guy and his approach to limiting turnovers and winning one on battles is going to result in us fielding a quality modern NFL offense. We're trying to win games 14-13 while the top teams in the league are trying to outscore their opponents in 40-35 type games. I'm watching the Saints-Rams right now and these teams are just going up and down the field. It's the beginning of the 2nd quarter and it's already 14-14. We are so far away from competing with these type of teams is unbelievable!!!! McDermott's offenses can't score! So give him another offseason to rebuild it. Until now, he has not had the type of room he has and the high draft picks to do so. What is wrong with giving him one more offseason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Lewis wouldn't have made it past 3 years in Buffalo, where the terminally short-sighted fan is king. Who knows what things may have been like around here if we had seen Bills games being played in Buffalo in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Opportunity cost. Maybe us 2 year olds don't want a shiny toy, we want the toy that's better than out present toy so we are happier rather than keeping a bad toy during our childhood. Are you drunk? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Nobody is getting fired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, Helpmenow said: Getting rid of another OC would just do wonders Particularly if mcdunce is picking the next one. He is 0-2 on ocs and his ol coach has been a clownshow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: My analogy was not that you want a new toy - it was that you are like a two year old child who throws a tantrum, lashing out at everyone and everything, because you aren't getting what you want. Yes and my analogy is to want want a new toy because my old toy sucks and I am not as happy as I could be. Because my parents ( the GM neglecting my well being) are bad parents. Maybe we're 2 year old children throwing a tatrum for good reasons (like unfit parents not feeding us for a year!) Edited November 4, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, BillsEnthusiast said: So give him another offseason to rebuild it. Until now, he has not had the type of room he has and the high draft picks to do so. What is wrong with giving him one more offseason? Because what if he wastes all those picks on more offensive players who can't contribute? He's signed numerous wide receivers who have all been crap. The OL he's signed have all been crap. The QB he picked was a guy most pundits said had the highest chance of busting. Oh, our offense scored a laughably bad 10 points a game. The hole can get a lot deeper if we blow the upcoming offseason drafting and signing players based off how they fit our culture vs how well they actually play football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: So give him another offseason to rebuild it. Until now, he has not had the type of room he has and the high draft picks to do so. What is wrong with giving him one more offseason? What's wrong is you give him one more year to bring in crappy players and miss on draft picks. The list of garbage that has intentionally been brought in here is scary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commsvet11 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, vorpma said: Get a grip Junior! The standard is 3 years not 5. There is not enough time nor resources to fix what has been done. The F.O. has already committed their firing offenses, they just won’t be fired until next year, which is stupid when it can be done as a proactive measure right after this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Cincinnati's success in Lewis's tenure would be an upgrade..... They placed those financial restrictions on themselves........ Yes it was. It was needed to open up opportunities to obtain better players next year. The Bills will have one of the best financial situations going into the off season. This depressing season is one we just have work through. It is hard to fairly evaluate coaching performances on the offensive side of the ball with such a lack of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, That's No Moon said: What's wrong is you give him one more year to bring in crappy players and miss on draft picks. The list of garbage that has intentionally been brought in here is scary. What draft picks has he outright missed on? Go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, McBean said: Nobody is getting fired No kidding. Hence frustration and anger. This team has been going the wrong direction for about 12 months now. Go ahead, give them 12 more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Yes and my analogy is to want want a new toy because my old toy sucks and I am not as happy as I could be. Because my parents ( the GM neglecting my well being) are bad parents. Well, recognizing and admitting that you have a childlike self-centeredness where everything is about you is the first step toward getting help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, That's No Moon said: What's wrong is you give him one more year to bring in crappy players and miss on draft picks. The list of garbage that has intentionally been brought in here is scary. Yep. A guy so good at tanking might not be good at doing the virtual oppopsite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Because what if he wastes all those picks on more offensive players who can't contribute? He's signed numerous wide receivers who have all been crap. The OL he's signed have all been crap. The QB he picked was a guy most pundits said had the highest chance of busting. Oh, our offense scored a laughably bad 10 points a game. The hole can get a lot deeper if we blow the upcoming offseason drafting and signing players based off how they fit our culture vs how well they actually play football. He had no room to bring in big names. He will next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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