vorpma Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Or if you are like a two year old who doesn't get his way The Millennials are on the warpath today!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, apuszczalowski said: And what have the guys in charge shown tho so far that they know what they are doing to rebuild an offence? Was it their choices in QBs? WRs? Olinemen? Offensive Co Ordinator choices? Was it trading for Benjamin? Coleman? Continuing to have faith in a 5th round QB that hasnt shown anything in games that mattered in his career? They've focused on defense and mostly dumpster dove for the offense. They HAVE to focus on offense now. They'll sink or swim and they deserve the chance to. Also for Christ sake we gave Cleveland a 7th rounder in 2020. Edited November 4, 2018 by BillsEnthusiast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Ivory is one that has not been. Compared to the rest of the offence, sure Not so much compared to others in the NFL. And what does it say about the guys in charge when he is still behind Shady and not being used as much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, jrober38 said: OK. They other 30 odd things they've done have been horrible. Colour me unimpressed. You said every move. I merely pointed out that that isn't true. They haven't focused much on offense, and now they will have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Or if you're like a 2 year old that is adopted after having unfit parents deemed by social services. What does this even mean? #wordsalad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, apuszczalowski said: Compared to the rest of the offence, sure Not so much compared to others in the NFL. And what does it say about the guys in charge when he is still behind Shady and not being used as much? It says that we still are trying to get our blue chip elite running back going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Process Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 There needs to be a "statement" firing.....blame or not.....I vote Beane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Or, OR they rebuild the offense like they did with the defense and things are cool. Yes, part of rebuilding but it takes time!!!! However - "I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW AND I AM EMOTIONAL BECAUSE MY TEAM IS NOT WINNING!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: You're free to go live your life and not participate here. Did you know that? The bills stink this year. We all know it. Amazes me people still have the energy to start childish, “fire _____” threads over and over again. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) Not 1 firing at any staff position on this team would upset me. If I check my phone and see literally any or every person in this organization is fired, I will not be upset. I will be thrilled actually. If Terry cleaned every single person below him out and brought in a forward thinking offensive mind in the offseason, I’m good. To many blow outs. I’m done with these guys. I don’t care if it’s what we always do. We always have to get rid of everyone, because we never hire the right people. You don’t just keep people for the sake of keeping them. You either can do the job, or you can’t. At least Dabol needs to go tomorrow. He don’t, but that’s at least a small pound of flesh Edited November 4, 2018 by Brianmoorman4jesus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Why would anyone assume that will happen? Every move they've made on the offensive side of the ball has been a disaster. No, before the season even started most "experienced fans" who really follow the game knew the focus was defense not offense; for those who follow the NFL it's called the rebuilding process after 16 years of failure! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commsvet11 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, vorpma said: The Millennials are on the warpath today!!! Damn those millennials! They want to kill off seeing the Bills bad. The old timers saw how bad the bills were in the olden days and PAID for the privilege! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: They've focused on defense and mostly dumpster dove for the offense. They HAVE to focus on offense now. They'll sink or swim and they deserve the chance to. Also for Christ sake we gave Cleveland a 7th rounder in 2020. And they gave up on him after a couple weeks in the Preseason, they still gave up an asset for someone they got rid of almost immediately. It's too bad these guys couldnt multitask and put a somewhat NFL level offence on the field while working on the defence like pretty much any other team in the league can do. So basically you are giving them a pass and more time because they neglected one half of their duties to focus on the other half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Some position coaches have to go. If they're still this bad in year 3, time to line up the coaching staff for the chopping block Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, vorpma said: No, before the season even started most "experienced fans" who really follow the game knew the focus was defense not offense; for those who follow the NFL it's called the rebuilding process after 16 years of failure! That's what you hope. Whether or not it happens remains to be seen. The state of the offense suggests that it's years away from being competent. You can argue that we need new starters at least 9 new starters. That's not happening in one year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, apuszczalowski said: And they gave up on him after a couple weeks in the Preseason, they still gave up an asset for someone they got rid of almost immediately. It's too bad these guys couldnt multitask and put a somewhat NFL level offence on the field while working on the defence like pretty much any other team in the league can do. So basically you are giving them a pass and more time because they neglected one half of their duties to focus on the other half. Again, this year was for Allen and Allen alone. No reason we can't build the offense in the offseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgr81 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 The coaching staff should be fired for thinking Peterman should have been the starting QB this season. It all went down hill from there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: It says that we still are trying to get our blue chip elite running back going That's what all the good coaches do, they continue to hold back someone doing well to continue pushing the guy who isnt. I guess when you have an offence clicking on all cylinders you can have that luxury of not using the player actually producing more to continue going to the guy who isnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Both replaced coaches that had been there 3 or more years. Did it really matter if Fisher and Fox got the third year. You knew they were bad coaches in year one. The easiest way to know you have a bad coach is because they don’t know how to run an offence. McD seems like and amazing DC but has proven he can’t create a successful NFL offence. Giving him another year won’t change that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Again, this year was for Allen and Allen alone. No reason we can't build the offense in the offseason. The guy they planned to have sit on the bench all year to watch and learn, like EVERY projection and NFL scouting expert said he would need to do and develop..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, DKBills25 said: This team is bad , and shouldnone should be let go for this , basically not scoring a touchdown in 3 games is somthing that needs to be fixed ASAP How do you get a playoff team to this .. very sad very typical of this front office change before you start to lose support You can't keep changing the head coach or gm every two or three years. Every week we have this over reaction. This year will be hard to deal with, but hopefully it will pay dividends in the years to come. Keep in mind a handful of geniuses on this board called for the head of Tyrod because he wasn't winning games the "right way" by not throwing for 300 yards. If we had his skill set of mobility and ball protection this year, we may have 5 wins. Edited November 4, 2018 by longtimebillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Again, this year was for Allen and Allen alone. No reason we can't build the offense in the offseason. That’s only a strategy if you want to ruin your franchise QB. There is nothing he can learn from playing behind a oline that can’t block and WRs that can’t get separation. They have very few players that could be backups on other offences. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulful Soul Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 23 minutes ago, billspro said: Worst team I have seen since being a fan in 2004 2001 was was. 1984-1985 was worse. Trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, billspro said: Did it really matter if Fisher and Fox got the third year. You knew they were bad coaches in year one. The easiest way to know you have a bad coach is because they don’t know how to run an offence. McD seems like and amazing DC but has proven he can’t create a successful NFL offence. Giving him another year won’t change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, The Process said: There needs to be a "statement" firing.....blame or not.....I vote Beane. I'll sign your petition! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I'm on board with letting someone go, the OC isn't very innovative, really we're rushing the football down 31-3? Then some terrible reverse? I don't think Daboll is what we need here and Castillo as OL coach can go as well. The way Benjamin plays is awful, I was hoping he'd be traded. Peterman shouldn't be on this roster by next week, he isn;t even worthy of a 3rd strign backup role all my opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Again, this year was for Allen and Allen alone. No reason we can't build the offense in the offseason. I fail to see how anyone can truly think this staff can build an offense. And I absolutely would not start Allen again this year! How is he supposed to develop in this ***** show of an offense? Best case scenario is he gets another injury. Worst case is his confidence is shot and he reverts to every bad habit he's ever had while running for his life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, Seoulful Soul said: 2001 was was. 1984-1985 was worse. Trust me. Hard to imagine, I guess if you put this offence with a below average defense it could be worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, longtimebillsfan said: You can't keep changing the head coach or gm every two or three years. Every week we have this over reaction. This year will be hard to deal with, but hopefully it will pay dividends in the years to come. Keep in mind a handful of geniuses on this board called for the head of Tyrod because he wasn't winning games the "right way" by not throwing for 300 yards. If we had his skill set of mobility and ball protection this year, we may have 5 wins. The problem isn't firing the coach every 3 years, it's constantly hiring the wrong coaches. McDermott has proven to be completely incompetent as a head coach on the offensive side of the ball. That's not going to miraculously change next year... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, jrober38 said: The problem isn't firing the coach every 3 years, it's constantly hiring the wrong coaches. McDermott has proven to be completely incompetent as a head coach on the offensive side of the ball. That's not going to miraculously change next year... "Proven" in a season and a half? Christ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: I'll sign your petition! If they were really going to go with a scapegoat firing, Daboll would be the obvious choice. Wouldn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said: Damn those millennials! They want to kill off seeing the Bills bad. The old timers saw how bad the bills were in the olden days and PAID for the privilege! Get a grip Junior! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Dan said: I fail to see how anyone can truly think this staff can build an offense. And I absolutely would not start Allen again this year! How is he supposed to develop in this ***** show of an offense? Best case scenario is he gets another injury. Worst case is his confidence is shot and he reverts to every bad habit he's ever had while running for his life. I would argue that they haven't tried yet. Like REALLY tried. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, jrober38 said: That's what you hope. Whether or not it happens remains to be seen. The state of the offense suggests that it's years away from being competent. You can argue that we need new starters at least 9 new starters. That's not happening in one year. Time will tell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eee1776 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 This one is easy. Bean, who put this mess together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: The problem isn't firing the coach every 3 years, it's constantly hiring the wrong coaches. McDermott has proven to be completely incompetent as a head coach on the offensive side of the ball. That's not going to miraculously change next year... This is the key. Stability/consistency is only helpful if the people you keep in place are competent. If they aren't, you end up with the Marvin Lewis Effect in Cincinnati, and no one wants that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Dan said: I fail to see how anyone can truly think this staff can build an offense. And I absolutely would not start Allen again this year! How is he supposed to develop in this ***** show of an offense? Best case scenario is he gets another injury. Worst case is his confidence is shot and he reverts to every bad habit he's ever had while running for his life. I agree, I don’t want Allen back out there. They will ruin him by playing him with this roster. I am usually of the mindset of having a rookie QB learn by throwing him in there, but this is a special case. There is nothing to learn by playing with these guys. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, Commsvet11 said: Damn those millennials! They want to kill off seeing the Bills bad. The old timers saw how bad the bills were in the olden days and PAID for the privilege! I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW!!!!! Grow up son! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: The problem isn't firing the coach every 3 years, it's constantly hiring the wrong coaches. McDermott has proven to be completely incompetent as a head coach on the offensive side of the ball. That's not going to miraculously change next year... It may if we shore up the offensive line. Get better receivers and drop Peterman. Keep in mind that this management team had severe financial restrictions placed on them, so they were limited on who they could sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: What does this even mean? #wordsalad I rephrased your sentence to be more appropriate because you made an analogy that we want a new toy, and I think a 2 year old analogy is more fitting to having methhead parents ruining your favor toy. I'll explain what this means if you think it's more word salad. I'll try my best to get you to understand wit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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